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council meeting.
>> good afternoon, we would like

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to call the durham city council

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meeting to order monday,
August 2nd, 2010.

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We thank you all for joining us
this evening.

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If we could take a moment of

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silent meditation, please.
[Moment of silence taken.]

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Thank you.
I'll ask Councilman Clement to

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lead us in the pledge.

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>> let's all stand.

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[Reciting U.S. Pledge]
>> I would like to ask the clerk

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to call the roll, please.

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[Roll call]
>> we have one proclamation that

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we would like to present this
evening.

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many of you May or May not know

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that tomorrow night is an annual
event that has really grown

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since its inception.
And durham has really been

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leading, I think the state and

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the nation in these efforts.
It is called national night out.

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I would like to ask jennifer

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schnieder for project save
neighborhoods coordinator

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community service group to join
me, please.

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The proclamation reads...
Ereas,the national association

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?
Of town watch (Natw) And target
are sponsoring a unique,

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nationwide crime, drug and
violence prevention program that

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will be observed tuesday -- august
3, 2010 called "
national night

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out (Nno)-america's night out
against crime"
; and whereas,the

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27th annual national night out
provides a unique opportunity

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for the city of durham, north
carolina to join forces with

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thousands of other communities
across the country and the

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police forces of duke
university, north carolina

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central university and the
durham veterans administration

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in promoting cooperative,
police-community crime

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prevention efforts; and
whereas,the city of durham's

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police department debuted on the

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nno awards scene in 2006 ranking

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#11 among similar-size cities

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across the nation; earned #10

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honors in 2007 and again in

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2008; and rose up the ranks to
#9 in 2009; and whereas,in 2008

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and 2009, two durham communities

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were selected by natw as
national night out all stars,

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namely azalea park apartments
community and audubon park

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homeowners association for
exceptional and innovative

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accomplishments; and whereas,

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safety in numbers is the theme
of durham's 2010 national night

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out observance that promotes a

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local campaign to provide
accurate crime data and

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strategies that citizens can
employ to help law enforcement

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keep our city safe; and
whereas,the safety in numbers
campaign is coordinated by

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project safe neighborhoods, a

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division within the durham
police department that partners
citizens with law enforcement

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representatives to reduce
violent crime; and whereas,

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coaches david cutcliffe (Duke
university) And levelle moton

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(North carolina central
university) Are the campaign's

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honorary chairpersons; and
whereas,one hundred

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twenty-three neighborhoods

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across the city have received
safety in numbers information

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and have signed on to be safety
in numbers partners; and

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whereas,residents and community
groups throughout durham are

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coming together in an
unprecedented manner to take a

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stand against gun crime with a
unified, comprehensive mission

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to keep durham a safe and
prosperous place to work and
play.

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Now, therefore, I, william v.
"
bill"
bell, mayor of the city

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of durham, north carolina, do
hereby proclaim tuesday, August

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3, 2010 as national night out in
durham, and do hereby call upon

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all citizens to join the durham
police department, its local law

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enforcement partners, support

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community agencies, the national
association of town watch and

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target in supporting the 27th
annual national night out.

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Witness my hand and the
corporate seal of the city of

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durham, north carolina this 2nd
day of August 2010.

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I would like to present this to
jennifer and others that may

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have comments.
>> good evening.

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Thank you for supporting
national night out in our

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community.
94 neighborhoods across durham

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county have registered on hold
national night out celebrations.

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safety in numbers is the theme
this year.

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In January, project save
neighbors launched the year-long

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safety in numbers campaign.

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Our mission is to education and

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empower residents regarding

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significant roles in helping law

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enforcement officers decrease

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gun crime.

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With the assistance from heat

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and great officers and district
one, we have one initiative.

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I'm happy to report the campaign

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has reached 166 neighborhoods
across our city.

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[Applause]

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I'm also happy to report that
project safe neighborhood's

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public service announcement

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featuring coaches david cut

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cliff and david moton were
released, I'm sure you have seen

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that a couple of times.
We would like to thank you

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durham target stores particular
asset protection managers.

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finally

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finally, please remember the

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national night out kickoff will

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be held at the holton career
research center.

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It is hosted by durham's
partners against crime.

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We express special thanks to

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Mr. Harold chestnut for the
extra effort he put forth to

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coordinate this rally.

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thank you, we look forward to
celebrating community safety in

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durham with you tomorrow
evening.

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[Applause]

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>> let me say that there are
seats over to the left for

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persons that are standing if you
want to sit down.

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I'm sure that most of you out

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here to try to find out a little

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bit with the resurfacing efforts
that are going on in the streets

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of downtown durham.
We have north carolina

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department of transportation
here this evening to speak to
that.

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but aside from that, I had the
occasion several weeks ago to

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participate in a ceremony over

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at mt. Vernon baptist church in

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which we had another form of

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government in durham to make
some installations.

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I had the privilege, along with
the Chairman Of the board of

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county commissioners

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michaelphage and mining fort
brown to install young people

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that were the mayor, mayor pro
tem cora.

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Some council persons, city

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manager, Mr. Manager, and a host

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of other young people who have

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taken an interest in the hayti
community.

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What I said is at the first

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opportunity, I would like them
to come before one of our city

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council meetings to be presented
so the city can acknowledge

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their efforts.
Tonight, I see Dr. Wa washington

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jones and I will ask her to
bring forth the young people
involved.

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I'm sure their parents and
guardians are here also.

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Beverly, if you could come forth

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and introduce them, I would

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appreciate it.
yeah, I forgot, the city

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attorney reached over here and
asked, we have the city

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attorney, too.
We have a city attorney, also.

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And I clerk, I think.

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>> it is indeed a pleasure to be
here.

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We are a 21st century learning
center.
use probably know, we're funded

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by the department of public
instruction.

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And this is a summer program in
which these students come from

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title one schools.

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They were very influenced by the
legacy of hayti.

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And from that, they said to us,
well, we want to create a city

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of hayti.
And as a result of that is

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correct we decided why not?

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And we did have a mock election.
And these young people were

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elected to those motions.

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I would like for them to come
forward and introduce who they

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are and the position they were
elected to.

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the mayor of the city of hayti.

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[Applause]

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>> my name is aaron and I'm the
mayor of the city of hayti that

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we're doing at this camp right
now.

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>> thank you.

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[Applause]

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>> we have some city council
individuals.
I don't think our mayor pro tem

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is here.

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So the city council persons

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could come and tell their name.

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>> young howard clement there.
[Laughter].

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>> my name is kayla.
>> thank you, kayla.

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>> my name is destiny stephans.

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>> my name is seymour shaw.

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>> and we do have one of the
citizens of the community.

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She wants to introduce who she
is.

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>> my name is joltiet -- joliet
esthers.

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>> we see individuals who one

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day May be in your seats.
But we want to say to mayor bell

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and the city council, they have
watched you but never seen you
in action.

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So tonight gives them an

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opportunity to do that.

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But they -- [Chuckling].
They won't be here longs in

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terms of it because you have a
tremendous gathering tonight.

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but they said to us that the

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city of hayti resembles, to a
large degree, what durham is all

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about.

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They have learned that there are
basically three elements that

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continue to be part of their
life.

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Number one, the issue of
centering their life around a

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family, they very close-knit
family.

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number two, the commitment to
the community.

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And believe it or not, number
three, entrepreneurship.

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They have also said that they

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all want to be mayor and replace
mayor bell.

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I said that is going to be
difficult.

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But we live in a democratic
society so of course everybody

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can run for those positions.
But it is indeed a pleasure to

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present to you the elected

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officials of the city of hayti.

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[Applause]
>> we just have one comment by

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the site coordinator.
>> good evening.

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i just wanted to invite everyone

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here to our closing program that

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would be at our church,
mt. Vernon baptist church on

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thursday at 2:00.
So we have a closing ceremony.

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If you are free, come on down.

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Thank you for having us.

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[Applause]

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>> are there any comments by any
council persons?

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If not, let's proceed with the
priority items.

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I recognize first the city
manager.
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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I have three priority items this
evening.

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two items that I wish to be
referred back to administration,

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the first is agenda item number

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17, the fy 11 contract between

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city of durham and dock arts,

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inc. Through development through
cultural arts.

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Second item is number 32, the

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proposed condemnation of

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property for utility easement
for the water placement project.

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As we discussed at the
worksession, this item is being

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negotiated and we would request
that be referred back at this

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point.
And as you mentioned, Mr. Mayor,

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at the conclusion of the review

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of the consent items, at our
request, wally bowman from the

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north carolina department of
transportation is here and will

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give a brief presentation,

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status report on the resurfacing
of the mill streets in downtown.

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>> entertain a motion on the

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city manager's priority items.

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>> properly moved and seconded.
Madam Clerk, open the vote.

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close the vote.
>> passes 7-0.
>> recognize the city attorney

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for priority items.
>> thank you Mr. Mayor, no

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priority items.

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>> likewise, Madam City clerk.
Do you have priority items.

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>> yes, page 8, item number
three.

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You have a ballot before you for

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an appointment to the durham

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housing authority, board of
commissioners.
We will collect that later on in

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the evening.

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>> entertain a motion on the

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city clerk's priority items.

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Properly moved and seconded.

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Madam Clerk, open the vote.
Close the vote.

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>> passes 7-0.

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>> recognize Councilman Clement.

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>> I just think it's timely and

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appropriate that we recognize

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willie bradshaw.

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Recently coach bradshaw was

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entered into the national

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federation of state high schools

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association hall of fame.

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He's the 6th north carolinian to

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be inducted in this hall since

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1982.

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now, most of us here assembling

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here are aware of the life and
work of coach bradshaw.

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And I think it is important that

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we recognize him for attaining

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this unique honor of entering
another hall of fame.

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I want to use this opportunity

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to congratulate coach willie

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bradshaw for this recognition.

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And if we will just include a

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show of applause for the work

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that he's done, particularly

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with the young people in this
great community.

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coach bradshaw, congratulations.

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[Applause]
>> thank you Councilman Clement.

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He's going to california to
accept that.
>> yes.

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>> has that happened?
Or is it scheduled?

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>> that's already happened.
>> ok.

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>> he went to san diego.
>> thank you.

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Next item are the consent agenda
items.

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They May be approved with a

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single vote if a consent agenda
item is pulled, then at the

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appropriate time in the agenda
we will discuss it.

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I will read the heading, as

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usual.
1. Approval of city council
minutes.

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2. Citizens advisory committee-
appointments
3. This item can be found on the

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general business agenda.
. Durham city-county appearance

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commission-appointment
5. Durham bicycle & pedestrian
advisory commission-

00:17:04.310 --> 00:17:06.310
appointment

00:17:06.312 --> 00:17:07.812
6. Human relations commission-
reappointments

00:17:09.750 --> 00:17:11.219
7. Housing appeals board-
appointment

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9. Bid report-May 2010

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10. Bid report-June 2010

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11. Resolution authorizing the
city auction

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12. Setting public hearings to

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consider ordering petitioned

00:17:31.266 --> 00:17:33.266
improvements

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13. Personnel action form (Paf)
Performance audit-June 2010

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14. Non-city agency program

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specific performance evaluations
-June 2010

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15. Capital program advisory
committee quarterly report

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16. An ordinance amending
general capital improvement

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project ordinance

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item 17 has been moved back to

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the administration.
That is
17. Fy11 contract between city
of durham and doc arts, inc. For

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economic development through
cultural arts
18. City of durham employment

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and training 2009-2011 grant
project ordinance superseding

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project ordinance #13966

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19. Delegation of reimbursement
resolution authority

00:18:24.781 --> 00:18:26.281
20. Hud grant assistance award
amendment 2010

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21. Contracts for the domestic
violence court judge and legal
assistant

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22. Minor naming rights for the
durham performing arts center-

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f. M. Kirby foundation, inc.

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23. Annual report on limited

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agriculture permits (Hens/female
chickens)

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24. 2009 annual report of the
durham open space and trails
commission

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25. Durham city-county planning
department work program,
2010-2011

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30. City of durham web sites,
web services, and web technology

00:19:01.688 --> 00:19:04.250
upgrade using microsoft
sharepoint 2010

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31. Contract for sanitary sewer

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flow monitoring service and
improvements

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32. This item can be found on
the general business agenda.

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and has been referred back to
the administration.
3-38. Those items can be

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found on the general business
agenda-public hearings.

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I would entertain a motion for
the approval of the consent

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agenda with the exception of

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item 17.

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Properly moved and seconded.

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madam clerk, open the vote.

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Close the vote.
>> passes 7-0.

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>> Mr. Manager, before you

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introduce dot, I jokingly said
oh, you guys are here to report

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about how dot was on schedule in

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terms of resurfacing our streets
in durham.

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Obviously, you are here for
another reason also.

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I want to maybe set ground rules

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before we get to that so you can
begin to organize yourselves, if

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necessary.

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That has to do with the public

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hearing item concerning
billboards.
I don't have the number right

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before me.
30, ok.

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38.

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item 38 for the billboards.

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At the appropriate time, that
will come up.

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Let me say for those of you who
May be attending our meetings

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for the first time, you May or
May not be aware of the

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procedures that the council
uses, in particular as it goes

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to public hearings.

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So I want to refresh on terms of
what they are.

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typically, with public hearings,
there is a certain amount of

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time that has been allocated for

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the proponents and opponents of

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whatever the issue might be.
Typically, that is 15 minutes

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for the proponents and 15
minutes for opponents.

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Typically, the proponents will
spend maybe 10 minutes of their

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15 minutes in presenting their
case.

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And then the opponents have 15
minutes to speak in whatever

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opposition they want.
And proponents have an

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additional five minutes for
rebuttal.

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That is typically the procedure.

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When we have a small number of

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persons both proponents and
opponents, that is typically the

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way we run the meetings.
When we have a large number of

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persons that want to speak on an
issue, then it comes back to the

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mayor to decide how much time

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we're going to allocate for
proponents and opponents.

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Typically, what I will do is to

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get the number of cards that is
signed up, see how many persons

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have asked to people and try to

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set some type of time in terms
of how much time we will

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allocate to the proponent and
opponents.

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What I am suggesting, if you are
here to speak tonight on the

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public hearing, item 38, the
billboards, I suggest you go

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over to the table to the left
where the clerk's office is.

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And the yellow cards.
What I would like you to do is

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sign your name, address,

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et cetera, and indicate whether

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you are opponent or proponent of

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the legislation, the ordinance

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that is being discussed.
Again this is important that I

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know what the number is so I can
decide what kind of time we're

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going to allocate for this
particular subject.

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so if you intend to speak, again
it is a public hearing, I ask

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that you go to the table and
begin to sign your name on.

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Another thing you might want to
consider, if you want to

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organize yourselves in terms of
how many are going to speak for

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the proponents and how many

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speak for the proponents.

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but we're not yielding time.
In other words, if you sign up,

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you are signing up to speak.
You won't yield your time to
someone else.

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Having said that, I suggest you
move forward.

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I will turn it over to the city
manager for his introduction.
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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As many of you have, over the

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last several weeks, and in
particular the last particular

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recent times our office has been

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receiving a number of e-mails
and phone calls from citizens

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who are questioning the
completion of the resurfacing

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project, primarily in downtown
durham although there are a few

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that stretch further than
downtown.
These projects are being

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conducted and handled by the
north carolina department of
transportation.

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At our request and we greatly
appreciate Mr. Chuck watson and

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his leadership as one of the

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city's representatives with the

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state transportation board, but

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we asked Mr. Wally bowman, the
district engineer to be with us

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this evening.

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He agreed to take a few minutes
and provide the council and the

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public, both in the audience

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this evening and viewing on

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television, an update as to

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where dot is on completing this
project.

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There has been several delays
that have certainly not be

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wanted by anyone, but that need
to be dealt with.

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Mr. Bowman is here tonight to
talk about those and certainly

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I'm sure prepared to answer any
questions, council members have.

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Thank you again, wally, for

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being with us this evening.
.
>> thank you all for allowing us

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a brief minute.
Thank you for putting us on your

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schedule tonight.
I want to bring you an update on

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the practical.

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A -- the project.

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And the hospital of the
resurfacing projects.

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i remember last fall when I rode

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lots of city streets with mark
aaronson, your city staff and we

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saw roads in downtown durham

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that needed resurfacing.
We were fortunate to have a pot

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of money to use for the
resurfacing.

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I said that is a lot of roads
that are real close together.

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So it will be inconvenient if we
do all of them.

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Almost every single one of them

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that we are doing touched
downtown durham.

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The other thing is I should give
the money to city of durham and

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let them administer this
project.

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I didn't follow-through on that.
But nevertheless, this project

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again, we were fortunate to have

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the funding to do additional
resurfacing.

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Probably done more resurfacing

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in the last year than in the 20
years with D.O.T.

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Our roads took a lot of beating
in the freeze cycles.

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We had a floating date of
availability.
We didn't say you have to start

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this date, but we gave them a
window of when to start to

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schedule that with other work he
had.
He chose May 20th to begin.

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Once he started our contract
requires the contractor to be

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through in 120 days.
That is all five roads in

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downtown durham, that is about
2.5 miles.

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he has 120 days to complete,
which will be around

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September 16th to complete the
work.

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There are penalties or
liquidated damages if the

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contractor doesn't finish on
time.

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We charge him $400 a day for
every day he doesn't finish on

00:26:24.281 --> 00:26:27.188
time, if he doesn't have a valid
and bona fide time extension

00:26:27.328 --> 00:26:28.688
request, something beyond his
control.

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There are worktime restrictions.

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he's not allowed to work monday
through friday during the peek

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hours in the morning.
Which -- peak hours in the

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morning which are identified

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from six to 9:00 in the morning.
There is a few hours they chose

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to work.
Many he will work during the day

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and most operations at night.
the project originally, the

00:26:52.203 --> 00:26:54.203
original scope of the project

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was to mill off the existing
asphalt surface, the wearing

00:26:58.719 --> 00:27:00.719
surface, the top surface.

00:27:00.922 --> 00:27:02.922
Not get into underlying layers

00:27:03.250 --> 00:27:05.828
of asphalt unless it needed
patches and repairs.

00:27:07.266 --> 00:27:09.266
We had that in the contract.

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Also manhole and water valve
adjustments.

00:27:14.406 --> 00:27:17.234
other than that, other than the
typical signal modifications,

00:27:18.109 --> 00:27:20.109
and striping.

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Main thing, milling, patches,

00:27:23.812 --> 00:27:26.547
shallow and deep patches and
resurfacing of the roadway since

00:27:26.609 --> 00:27:29.219
he finished.
Obviously use have seen, I will

00:27:30.516 --> 00:27:33.453
share with you, the contractor
wince he milled off the top

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surface, he ran into problems

00:27:36.125 --> 00:27:38.125
that I would say are customary

00:27:39.984 --> 00:27:42.656
to urban-type practical
projects, we don't see this in

00:27:42.656 --> 00:27:44.656
the rural areas.

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A lot of the problems were
regarding utilities in our

00:27:47.672 --> 00:27:49.672
pavement, the roadway.

00:27:50.620 --> 00:27:52.620
With that, let me fill you in on

00:27:52.531 --> 00:27:55.203
a few time lines, some of the
unknowns he ran into.

00:27:56.470 --> 00:27:57.406
It is a lot like renovating a
house.

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When you remove that wall board

00:28:02.219 --> 00:28:04.781
on the inside of the wall and
get ready to do that work.

00:28:06.484 --> 00:28:08.891
If it is a 50 or hundred year
old house there is no telling

00:28:09.156 --> 00:28:11.156
what you will run into.

00:28:14.156 --> 00:28:16.859
you could have term night -- 
termite or electrical or

00:28:17.922 --> 00:28:20.656
plumbing problems.
That is like our problems.

00:28:20.656 --> 00:28:22.656
Trolley tracks.

00:28:22.828 --> 00:28:24.828
Downtown durham nap is not the

00:28:25.203 --> 00:28:27.203
easiest thing to work around and
patch in between.

00:28:27.672 --> 00:28:30.109
Cobble stone nap is not
something our contractor

00:28:30.469 --> 00:28:32.469
typically deals with.

00:28:32.547 --> 00:28:35.312
That was very much so delaying
his operations out there.

00:28:36.453 --> 00:28:37.875
Not making any excuses for the
contractor.

00:28:39.609 --> 00:28:42.547
Stating some facts that some of
you May or May not know.

00:28:43.688 --> 00:28:45.940
Again, I mention the cobble
stones.

00:28:46.250 --> 00:28:48.250
There are sinkholes out there.

00:28:49.828 --> 00:28:51.828
Some people visualize a sinkhole

00:28:51.922 --> 00:28:54.359
as where the road caves in and
the car falls in.

00:28:55.406 --> 00:28:58.234
not that deep, but there are
sinkholes two to 3 feet deep,

00:28:59.969 --> 00:29:02.234
five to 10 feet wide, up to 50
to 75 feet long.

00:29:02.938 --> 00:29:04.938
Those are much more extensive

00:29:05.312 --> 00:29:08.172
type of work than the contractor
originally anticipated to do

00:29:09.516 --> 00:29:11.516
when he comes out there.

00:29:12.422 --> 00:29:15.422
We have our resident engineer
here tonight, chad hennet.

00:29:16.422 --> 00:29:18.422
he's administering the project.

00:29:19.281 --> 00:29:21.281
When he runs into the problem

00:29:22.828 --> 00:29:25.188
like that, they call out the
geotechnical unit and run tests

00:29:25.500 --> 00:29:27.500
and repairs.

00:29:27.656 --> 00:29:29.828
They analyze it, give analysis
and recommendation to carry back

00:29:29.828 --> 00:29:31.828
to the contractor.

00:29:31.938 --> 00:29:34.310
We have to contact with the
contractor prices to do that

00:29:34.310 --> 00:29:36.310
work.

00:29:37.780 --> 00:29:39.780
we didn't take a bid for that,

00:29:39.641 --> 00:29:42.160
the manhole adjustments,
patching and resurfacing.

00:29:42.641 --> 00:29:45.453
We're in the process of doing
that.
The sinkhole I mentioned, not

00:29:45.875 --> 00:29:48.141
getting into a lot of the
details there on the sinkholes.

00:29:49.609 --> 00:29:51.547
But it has changed the character
of the work.

00:29:53.453 --> 00:29:56.125
We're trying to work ford with
that.
The first sinkhole was

00:29:57.620 --> 00:29:59.766
identified June 7th, not long
after the contractor began works

00:30:02.500 --> 00:30:05.328
on rocks borrow near main
street.
Duke claimed it was somebody

00:30:05.766 --> 00:30:08.266
else's problem and they claimed
it wasn't their problem.

00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.000
We went back and forth.

00:30:11.344 --> 00:30:12.875
Again, not trying to point the
fingers.

00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:15.703
Long story short, nobody claimed
the problem of the source that

00:30:16.141 --> 00:30:18.141
was out there.

00:30:19.781 --> 00:30:22.578
so D.O.T., on June 21st, we just
went ahead and sent our forces

00:30:23.422 --> 00:30:25.578
out there to fix the first
sinkhole we ran into.

00:30:27.391 --> 00:30:29.828
We felt like we needed to move
the project along and not worry

00:30:30.219 --> 00:30:33.940
about who was responsible for
it.
Two more sinkholes after that,

00:30:33.297 --> 00:30:35.297
that we identified.

00:30:35.328 --> 00:30:38.940
So three total so far.
Hopefully we won't run into
more.

00:30:39.172 --> 00:30:40.969
we don't need to run into any
more.

00:30:42.469 --> 00:30:44.469
There was an area while we were

00:30:45.172 --> 00:30:47.266
milling that we ran into a
public service north carolina

00:30:49.938 --> 00:30:51.344
air valve, release air valve was
found.

00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.160
Old abandoned air valve.

00:30:54.109 --> 00:30:56.109
A lot of water under the

00:30:56.516 --> 00:30:57.875
pavement, it gets soft and
mushy.

00:30:59.422 --> 00:31:01.922
we had to also try to identify
whose problem that was.

00:31:02.156 --> 00:31:04.156
Again, that is a long story.

00:31:05.562 --> 00:31:08.188
We went out there, got some
recommendations from the
geotechnical unit.

00:31:10.531 --> 00:31:12.734
We have put in a french drain to
try to drain the water out of

00:31:12.734 --> 00:31:15.172
that area.
In addition to the delays I

00:31:16.172 --> 00:31:18.234
already mentioned, we're also
working with the city of durham

00:31:19.844 --> 00:31:22.578
to allow them to while we're out
there have the road milled, the

00:31:23.780 --> 00:31:25.780
surface milled to allow them to

00:31:26.344 --> 00:31:28.344
do repairs to some of you all's

00:31:29.484 --> 00:31:31.484
utilities that needed repairs,

00:31:32.812 --> 00:31:35.547
do it now rather than when we
resurface and cut new pavement
pads.

00:31:35.625 --> 00:31:38.219
That is where we are.
It is taking a lot of

00:31:38.453 --> 00:31:41.940
coordination and effort.
Chad has been in constant

00:31:41.594 --> 00:31:43.297
conversation with the
contractor.

00:31:44.594 --> 00:31:47.359
The contractor's construction
company.
We talked to him and let him

00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.625
know about the meeting, the
issues, the concerns.

00:31:51.375 --> 00:31:53.375
He has committed.

00:31:53.438 --> 00:31:56.000
We asked the question, can you
go ahead and start working on

00:31:57.281 --> 00:32:00.141
one of the other rows such as
lakewood drive that we think is

00:32:00.672 --> 00:32:02.672
ready to resurface.

00:32:03.453 --> 00:32:06.250
we still know we have to die lot
of work on rocks borough and

00:32:13.391 --> 00:32:15.391
mental anguish -- mangum.

00:32:15.922 --> 00:32:17.922
With good weather he will start

00:32:18.422 --> 00:32:19.797
on lakewood drive and resurface
that.

00:32:20.891 --> 00:32:22.891
When he finished lakewood.

00:32:23.469 --> 00:32:25.469
we will see if another is

00:32:26.109 --> 00:32:28.109
available and keep on working on

00:32:32.312 --> 00:32:34.312
prices, repair work done on the

00:32:35.780 --> 00:32:37.375
two big roads, mangum and rocks
borrow.
We need you to be patient with

00:32:37.375 --> 00:32:40.160
us.
We will provide you a good
product.

00:32:40.344 --> 00:32:42.516
I know we are.
Again, we're fortunate that we

00:32:44.470 --> 00:32:46.470
have the funding we have.

00:32:46.891 --> 00:32:48.250
It hasn't been a typical urban
project.

00:32:49.188 --> 00:32:51.453
It has been an urban project
with utilities.

00:32:52.656 --> 00:32:55.310
But the sinkholes, trolley
tracks, that is atypical.

00:32:55.859 --> 00:32:57.969
We weren't expecting that kind
of problem when we started the

00:32:57.969 --> 00:33:00.141
project.
With, that I will take questions

00:33:00.141 --> 00:33:03.109
from the council.
>> thank you, wally.

00:33:05.109 --> 00:33:06.641
we appreciate your taking time
to be here.

00:33:07.547 --> 00:33:09.516
And chuck watson from the
transportation board.

00:33:12.578 --> 00:33:14.578
I want to thank Councilman Ali.

00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:16.922
>> thank you for the focus on
this work.

00:33:19.250 --> 00:33:21.719
I know -- is that a state road?
>> yes it is.

00:33:22.453 --> 00:33:25.310
>> as for the time and hours
they're not permitted to work

00:33:26.391 --> 00:33:27.969
which is 6:00 to 9:00 and 4:00
to 7:00.

00:33:30.391 --> 00:33:31.969
What are the hours for the
nighttime?

00:33:33.875 --> 00:33:35.875
One citizen came to me and said

00:33:36.172 --> 00:33:38.906
that it is probably best to work
at night on the state roads and

00:33:40.375 --> 00:33:42.578
so I'm asking you so I can go
back with an answer now.

00:33:42.906 --> 00:33:45.281
Do they have night hours?
what are the hours they're

00:33:45.281 --> 00:33:47.281
working?

00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:50.375
>> they're allowed to work every
hour on the project contract

00:33:51.844 --> 00:33:53.844
except for the hours I gave you.

00:33:54.281 --> 00:33:55.688
It is the contractor's choice to
work.

00:33:57.125 --> 00:33:59.125
During the day, the small

00:33:59.156 --> 00:34:01.156
window, and come back and work

00:34:01.297 --> 00:34:02.797
from midnight until two or 3:00
in the morning.

00:34:03.969 --> 00:34:06.328
If he wants to work all night
long.
he can do that.

00:34:07.406 --> 00:34:09.906
We ask him to take into
consideration the area he's
working.

00:34:11.266 --> 00:34:13.375
If you go by a lot of homes, it
can be loud when you are out

00:34:14.344 --> 00:34:16.344
there milling at night.

00:34:16.609 --> 00:34:18.781
We don't restrict him from
working at night otherwise it

00:34:19.780 --> 00:34:21.172
would never get done.
Especially in the daytime.

00:34:21.922 --> 00:34:24.750
>> I was asking the question,
because you start talking about

00:34:24.984 --> 00:34:26.984
liquidate damages to ensure they

00:34:27.188 --> 00:34:30.125
have the time to do that before
being granted additional timing

00:34:30.656 --> 00:34:32.953
if they don't take advantage of
the time at night.

00:34:33.328 --> 00:34:35.859
>> that is his choice.
We wouldn't hold it against him

00:34:36.922 --> 00:34:38.922
if he did not work at night, but

00:34:39.940 --> 00:34:40.797
his knows his contract
completion date.

00:34:41.297 --> 00:34:44.234
He will get some time extension
on this, there were delays that

00:34:45.297 --> 00:34:47.297
were not his fault.

00:34:47.938 --> 00:34:49.438
the contract completion date is
September 16th.

00:34:50.172 --> 00:34:52.203
He would definitely be due some
time on this project.

00:34:52.703 --> 00:34:54.703
>> thank you very much.

00:35:05.750 --> 00:35:08.422
>> recognize Councilman Clement.
>> what primarily I'm concerned

00:35:08.797 --> 00:35:10.797
about is not the quantity of the

00:35:13.391 --> 00:35:15.766
work that is performed but the
quality of the work that is

00:35:15.766 --> 00:35:17.766
performed.

00:35:20.938 --> 00:35:22.938
How can we be assured that the

00:35:24.969 --> 00:35:26.969
work is being monitored to make

00:35:28.281 --> 00:35:29.688
sure we have high quality
results?

00:35:32.281 --> 00:35:34.281
I mean, I have lived in durham

00:35:37.125 --> 00:35:39.125
for close to 45 years and I've

00:35:44.359 --> 00:35:46.359
seen street repair that has been

00:35:47.828 --> 00:35:49.828
done but I've questioned the

00:35:50.172 --> 00:35:52.172
adequacy of the effort since the

00:35:53.703 --> 00:35:55.703
wear and tear of the streets

00:35:57.875 --> 00:35:59.281
being paved is of short
duration.

00:36:00.484 --> 00:36:02.484
So we want to know what kind of

00:36:03.250 --> 00:36:05.250
assurance we're getting if the

00:36:06.547 --> 00:36:08.160
work is being performed is
quality.

00:36:10.250 --> 00:36:12.250
and enduring in character.

00:36:13.797 --> 00:36:15.797
Rather than what I think

00:36:15.828 --> 00:36:17.828
happens, you throw out some

00:36:18.234 --> 00:36:20.234
concrete or whatever you throw

00:36:20.891 --> 00:36:22.891
out and you don't get the kind

00:36:23.641 --> 00:36:25.203
of lasting impacts that you
would expect.

00:36:30.969 --> 00:36:32.703
so what kind of assurance is the
department of transportation

00:36:35.547 --> 00:36:37.547
providing us that the work being

00:36:37.984 --> 00:36:40.984
performed is quality rather than
quantity?
>> yes, sir, good question.

00:36:43.780 --> 00:36:44.578
That is what chad hennon and his
folks does.

00:36:45.594 --> 00:36:47.594
Chad is the resident engineer

00:36:48.531 --> 00:36:50.531
that overcease the project,

00:36:51.234 --> 00:36:53.828
contract -- oversees the
project, administration and the
work.

00:36:54.203 --> 00:36:56.203
He's there every hour.

00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.734
Inspecing -- inspecting work.
Tests done for asphalt,

00:37:02.297 --> 00:37:04.375
measures, type of things put out
on the project.

00:37:05.844 --> 00:37:07.969
Asphalt is tested, tested at the
asphalt plant as well as once it

00:37:07.969 --> 00:37:09.969
is put down.

00:37:09.984 --> 00:37:11.984
We have rolling pattern, what we

00:37:12.141 --> 00:37:14.141
call a density and compaction

00:37:14.219 --> 00:37:16.609
that we take cores out of the
asphalt and have those tested

00:37:17.688 --> 00:37:20.160
and make sure we get a high
quality asphalt out there.

00:37:21.940 --> 00:37:22.984
I will tell you that is all we
can do on the front end.

00:37:24.594 --> 00:37:26.594
On the tail end, if we were to

00:37:26.656 --> 00:37:29.500
have failures down the road, we
have ways of testing to see

00:37:30.940 --> 00:37:31.828
whether it is an area outside of
the test.

00:37:32.234 --> 00:37:34.234
we do random tests.

00:37:34.531 --> 00:37:36.703
You can also have failures that
are of no control and not

00:37:36.703 --> 00:37:39.672
significant at all.
In the contractor work it could

00:37:44.172 --> 00:37:45.516
be underlying subgrade, utility
work.

00:37:46.547 --> 00:37:49.375
We do everything we can to make
sure we get a high-quality

00:37:49.922 --> 00:37:52.188
product for you the tax pace of
the city of durham.
>> thank you.

00:37:52.188 --> 00:37:54.594
>> mayor pro tem.
>> good evening, sir.

00:37:55.656 --> 00:37:57.156
I just wanted to thank you for
being here.

00:37:57.891 --> 00:37:59.891
And for the work that you are

00:38:00.500 --> 00:38:03.000
doing and to thank chuck for
recognizing the greatness of

00:38:03.859 --> 00:38:05.859
this city.

00:38:05.906 --> 00:38:07.828
And moving to assure that the
repairs are done.

00:38:08.609 --> 00:38:10.875
Thank you.
>> you're welcome.

00:38:11.203 --> 00:38:13.203
>> thank you, are there any

00:38:14.234 --> 00:38:16.344
other questions or comments?
Again, we appreciate the time to

00:38:16.344 --> 00:38:18.344
be here.

00:38:20.641 --> 00:38:23.160
This is important to D.O.T.
It is very important to the city
of durham.

00:38:23.516 --> 00:38:25.516
A lot of people don't know the

00:38:26.359 --> 00:38:28.359
difference between the state's

00:38:28.625 --> 00:38:30.328
maintained street and
city-maintained street.

00:38:30.891 --> 00:38:32.891
The work going on now is done by

00:38:33.310 --> 00:38:34.734
the state because it is a
state-maintained road.

00:38:35.422 --> 00:38:38.328
we are hopeful that you are able
to complete the job on time.

00:38:39.172 --> 00:38:41.500
I think it is going to say
something about the referendum

00:38:42.969 --> 00:38:44.406
the city has coming up in
November.

00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.000
We will do a resurfacing

00:38:48.375 --> 00:38:49.781
assuming it is approved for more
streets.

00:38:50.641 --> 00:38:52.641
I appreciate your time.

00:38:52.844 --> 00:38:54.844
If you have more questions,

00:38:55.160 --> 00:38:57.156
we'll be back with you.
>> thank you.

00:38:57.156 --> 00:38:59.156
>> ok.

00:38:59.391 --> 00:39:01.391
We'll move to the general

00:39:03.620 --> 00:39:05.922
business agenda.
3. Durham housing authority
board of commissioners-
appointment

00:39:11.594 --> 00:39:13.000
has everyone turned in their
ballot?

00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.000
If not -- while the ballots are

00:39:17.344 --> 00:39:19.375
being collected.
Item
32. Proposed condemnation of

00:39:26.780 --> 00:39:27.672
 -- that is the one referred back
to the administration.

00:39:30.780 --> 00:39:32.219
I'm going to move on to the
general business agenda, public

00:39:33.219 --> 00:39:35.453
hearing while the clerk is
tallying the votes.

00:39:40.125 --> 00:39:42.594
these are public hearing items.
33. Plan amendment-jubilee
christian church (A1000002)

00:39:51.406 --> 00:39:54.109
Turn it over to steve met ner.
>> all six public hearing items

00:39:55.578 --> 00:39:57.672
presented this evening by the
planning department have had

00:39:59.470 --> 00:40:01.470
proper notice done in accordance
with the general statutes and

00:40:02.250 --> 00:40:04.750
the affidavits are part of the
case file should anybody wish to

00:40:04.750 --> 00:40:06.875
example them.
First case before you this

00:40:23.906 --> 00:40:25.672
evening is a planned amendment.
Case
(A1000002)

00:40:28.938 --> 00:40:30.938
I probably will not read all the

00:40:33.203 --> 00:40:35.203
seerose from here on out.

00:40:35.406 --> 00:40:37.406
It is west of south austin,

00:40:37.484 --> 00:40:40.780
north of eng low and south of e
54.
the applicant is anything this

00:40:41.484 --> 00:40:43.812
change in order to meet reduced
fire suppression standards.

00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:46.940
To give you background.

00:40:46.328 --> 00:40:48.328
A site plan was submitted and

00:40:49.310 --> 00:40:51.297
approved under the existing
industrial-like zoning for a

00:40:52.688 --> 00:40:54.969
place of worship during the
course of construction drawing

00:40:55.125 --> 00:40:57.125
review, the applicant was

00:40:57.562 --> 00:40:59.562
informed they would have to put

00:41:00.203 --> 00:41:02.797
in oversize I'd shouldn't say
oversized but proper sized fire

00:41:04.781 --> 00:41:06.781
suppression systems to serve the

00:41:07.469 --> 00:41:10.219
most onerous use allowed in il.
The applicant in this case has

00:41:11.470 --> 00:41:13.547
decided to try to rezone the
property to oi, which you have

00:41:14.578 --> 00:41:15.984
the zoning before you this
evening.

00:41:17.188 --> 00:41:19.188
In order to do that, they need

00:41:20.750 --> 00:41:22.750
to make a request for the future

00:41:23.391 --> 00:41:25.391
land use map change.

00:41:25.625 --> 00:41:28.500
Staff has evaluated the request.
We feel the four criteria for

00:41:29.594 --> 00:41:32.172
plan amendments have been
satisfied.
As such, the staff is

00:41:32.172 --> 00:41:34.672
recommending approval of the
plan amendment as did the

00:41:35.375 --> 00:41:37.703
planning commission by a 12-0
vote on April 13th.

00:41:38.203 --> 00:41:40.141
Staff would be glad to answer
questions you might have.

00:41:40.609 --> 00:41:42.609
>> you heard the staff report.

00:41:42.750 --> 00:41:44.780
I declare the public hearing
open.

00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.719
Ask first, are there questions

00:41:47.844 --> 00:41:49.844
by council of staff on this

00:41:50.984 --> 00:41:52.547
report?
Mahoney

00:41:53.125 --> 00:41:55.125
hearing none, I ask if anyone in

00:41:56.562 --> 00:41:58.562
the audience being that this is

00:41:58.625 --> 00:42:00.625
a public items want to speak for

00:42:00.734 --> 00:42:03.391
or against?
Let the record reflect no one

00:42:04.620 --> 00:42:06.234
wanted to speak for or against.
It move it back before the

00:42:06.234 --> 00:42:08.234
council.

00:42:09.310 --> 00:42:11.438
Properly moved and seconded.
Madam Clerk, open the vote.

00:42:11.438 --> 00:42:13.438
Close the vote.

00:42:17.609 --> 00:42:20.780
>> passes 7-0.
>> next item is
34. Plan amendment-downtown

00:42:20.780 --> 00:42:22.780
north (A1000003)

00:42:25.578 --> 00:42:27.578
>> good evening, again steve

00:42:29.953 --> 00:42:31.656
medlin, dur degree -- durham
planning department.

00:42:32.953 --> 00:42:34.359
This is initiated by the city
council.

00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:39.500
This would change approximately

00:42:40.359 --> 00:42:42.938
3.79 acres of the future land
use in the urban tier to the

00:42:44.310 --> 00:42:45.375
design district in the downtown
tier.

00:42:46.469 --> 00:42:48.469
As an indicated, this was a

00:42:49.160 --> 00:42:51.160
request initiated by the city

00:42:52.780 --> 00:42:54.875
council at the behest of
citizens that attended the

00:42:54.875 --> 00:42:56.875
rezoning hearing on

00:42:56.984 --> 00:42:58.984
February 1st, this year.

00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:02.594
The area in question is located
west of north.

00:43:03.922 --> 00:43:05.531
north of corporation and east of
madison street.

00:43:06.188 --> 00:43:09.940
Staff has reviewed this request.
We feel the plan amendment does

00:43:10.391 --> 00:43:12.562
meet the four criteria for
adoption of a plan amendment.

00:43:13.859 --> 00:43:16.766
Staff has recommended approval
as did the police commission by

00:43:17.734 --> 00:43:19.109
a 10-0 vote on June 8th this
year.

00:43:19.766 --> 00:43:22.234
Be happy to answer questions.
>> again, this is a public
hearing.

00:43:23.141 --> 00:43:25.781
I declare the public hearing
open.
Ask first, are there questions

00:43:26.516 --> 00:43:28.516
by members of the council for

00:43:30.109 --> 00:43:31.781
the staff report?
Mahoney

00:43:32.656 --> 00:43:34.656
hearing none, is there anyone in

00:43:35.953 --> 00:43:38.797
the public to speak for or
against.
This is a public hearing.

00:43:39.562 --> 00:43:41.594
Let the record reflect that no
one asked to speak for or

00:43:41.594 --> 00:43:43.859
against.
I declare the public hearing

00:43:43.859 --> 00:43:45.859
closed.

00:43:47.172 --> 00:43:49.172
matter is before the council.

00:43:52.344 --> 00:43:54.766
Properly moved and seconded.
Madam Clerk, open the vote.

00:43:54.766 --> 00:43:57.547
Close the vote.
>>
35. Zoning map change-jubilee
christian church (Z1000002)

00:44:02.688 --> 00:44:04.688
>> it is a request to change the

00:44:07.188 --> 00:44:09.422
zoning designation of 4.79 acres
on prospectus drive from the

00:44:10.391 --> 00:44:12.391
current zoning designation of

00:44:12.625 --> 00:44:14.125
industrial light to office
institutional.

00:44:15.219 --> 00:44:17.620
As I indicated in prior
presentation on the plan

00:44:18.359 --> 00:44:21.328
amendment this is being done to
satisfy a need to down zone the

00:44:21.906 --> 00:44:23.906
property in order to down size

00:44:24.328 --> 00:44:26.500
the fire suppression systems
required on this site.

00:44:27.766 --> 00:44:29.766
The request is consistent, based

00:44:29.844 --> 00:44:32.344
on your recent action on the
plan amendment with

00:44:32.344 --> 00:44:34.344
comprehensive plan.

00:44:35.109 --> 00:44:36.516
And is consistent with the udo
standards.

00:44:37.953 --> 00:44:39.953
Staff is recommending approval

00:44:46.797 --> 00:44:48.797
of the zoning map change.

00:44:50.734 --> 00:44:52.859
Staff and planning commission
did approve this.

00:44:54.156 --> 00:44:57.125
>> public hearing is declared
open.
Any questions by the council?

00:44:57.766 --> 00:45:00.406
Anyone in the public to speak on
this item, being a public

00:45:01.844 --> 00:45:04.578
hearing for or against?
Let the record reflect no one in

00:45:05.906 --> 00:45:07.938
the public wanted to speak on
this item.

00:45:09.141 --> 00:45:11.312
Properly moved and seconded.
Madam Clerk, open the vote.

00:45:11.312 --> 00:45:13.312
Close the vote.

00:45:15.422 --> 00:45:17.422
>> passes 7-0.

00:45:19.470 --> 00:45:21.359
>> next is item 36.
36. Zoning map change-downtown
north (Z1000003)

00:45:25.766 --> 00:45:27.766
>> downtown north is a request

00:45:28.672 --> 00:45:30.672
to change the zoning designation

00:45:33.172 --> 00:45:35.844
of 6.387 acres bounded by west
gear, north street on east, west

00:45:36.141 --> 00:45:38.969
corporation on the south and
rigsbee avenue on the west.

00:45:40.141 --> 00:45:42.812
Present zoning includes design
districts support two,

00:45:42.906 --> 00:45:45.641
industrial light and residential
urban multifamily.

00:45:47.656 --> 00:45:50.281
The requested designation
includes design district support

00:45:50.422 --> 00:45:51.750
one and design district support
two.

00:45:54.620 --> 00:45:56.156
As I indicated in the prior
presentation of the plan

00:45:57.620 --> 00:45:59.328
amendment, this was initiated by
city council from the public

00:45:59.594 --> 00:46:01.703
hearing held in February.
Staff is recommending approval

00:46:02.203 --> 00:46:04.203
of the request because of the

00:46:05.734 --> 00:46:07.734
compliance with the udo and in

00:46:08.620 --> 00:46:10.906
being in compliance with the
comprehensive plan.
Likewise, the planning

00:46:11.469 --> 00:46:13.469
commission did recommend

00:46:15.547 --> 00:46:16.906
approval on June 8th by vote of
10-0.

00:46:17.781 --> 00:46:19.906
>> you heard the staff report.
This is a public hearing.

00:46:20.344 --> 00:46:22.344
The public hearing is open.

00:46:23.625 --> 00:46:26.281
I ask if members of council have
questions about the staff
report?

00:46:26.594 --> 00:46:28.594
Likewise, is there anyone in the

00:46:28.750 --> 00:46:30.750
audience to speak on this item
either for or against being a

00:46:30.828 --> 00:46:32.828
public hearing.

00:46:33.620 --> 00:46:35.620
Let the record reflect that no

00:46:35.234 --> 00:46:38.203
one wanted to speak for or
against.
I declare the matter closed.

00:46:38.828 --> 00:46:40.266
The matter is before the
council.

00:46:41.234 --> 00:46:43.234
Properly moved and seconded.

00:46:43.734 --> 00:46:46.344
Madam Clerk, open the vote.
Close the vote.
>> passes 7-0.

00:46:47.438 --> 00:46:49.938
>> move to next item
37. Zoning map change-alphin
commercial center (Z0900010)

00:46:59.160 --> 00:47:01.160
>> zoning case z 1010.

00:47:01.750 --> 00:47:03.750
It is a request to change the

00:47:05.453 --> 00:47:07.453
zoning on nc highway 55, a

00:47:08.391 --> 00:47:10.859
parcel midway between nc 54 and
sed wick road.

00:47:14.297 --> 00:47:16.297
the present designation includes

00:47:16.500 --> 00:47:17.875
commercial neighborhoods and
rural.

00:47:19.531 --> 00:47:21.531
The associated development plan

00:47:21.938 --> 00:47:24.781
provides several proffers and
both graphic and text
commitments.

00:47:25.438 --> 00:47:27.438
A summary of the commitments

00:47:34.859 --> 00:47:37.562
include a building area of 40
thousand 59 thousand square feet
in size.

00:47:38.422 --> 00:47:40.328
Three points of access to the
property.

00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.562
14-foot wide outside lanes to
accommodate bicycle traffic.

00:47:45.156 --> 00:47:47.734
Three separate building
envelopes and a general location

00:47:48.359 --> 00:47:50.969
for storm water facility.
Construction of a northbound

00:47:54.469 --> 00:47:56.469
right turn lane on nc 55.

00:47:56.906 --> 00:47:58.906
It is consistent with the future
land map.

00:47:59.281 --> 00:48:01.203
Staff recommends approval as did
the planning commission by a

00:48:02.750 --> 00:48:05.484
vote of 8-3 on June 8th of this
year.
I'll be happy to answer any

00:48:05.688 --> 00:48:08.281
questions you May have.
>> again this is a public

00:48:08.281 --> 00:48:10.891
hearing item.
I encourage a staff report.

00:48:10.984 --> 00:48:13.391
Are there questions by members
of the council?

00:48:15.828 --> 00:48:17.828
i recognize Councilman Woodard.

00:48:18.797 --> 00:48:20.797
>> thank you, Mr. Bell.

00:48:21.672 --> 00:48:23.672
Mr. Medlin, can you clar fight

00:48:24.672 --> 00:48:26.828
presence of the lake jordan
rules and the property be

00:48:27.375 --> 00:48:29.266
subject to the rules now that
they're in place?

00:48:31.469 --> 00:48:34.160
>> I apologize.
Mr. Ren is here.

00:48:35.141 --> 00:48:38.160
i thought I saw him earlier.
I'm not sure the site plan has

00:48:38.160 --> 00:48:40.812
been submitted.
If not, it is subject to the

00:48:40.891 --> 00:48:43.891
jordan rules.
If it has been it probably does

00:48:43.891 --> 00:48:45.891
predate it.

00:49:00.203 --> 00:49:01.531
>> can we get clarification on
that?

00:49:04.875 --> 00:49:06.875
>> my name is ken ren.

00:49:09.578 --> 00:49:11.875
I am out of durham, north
carolina.
From what I understand we are

00:49:13.875 --> 00:49:16.250
responsible for adhering to the
storm water regulations that are

00:49:16.625 --> 00:49:18.953
in place as of June 15th.
So whatever was in place at that

00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.219
time, that is what we are
responsible for.
>> the answer to the question is

00:49:23.766 --> 00:49:25.891
the site plan has been
submitted.
>> it has not.

00:49:26.266 --> 00:49:28.328
>> I think it will be subject to
the new rules?

00:49:28.328 --> 00:49:30.328
>> right.

00:49:32.266 --> 00:49:34.438
>> Mr. Ren, that is your
understanding, since you have

00:49:35.578 --> 00:49:37.578
not submitted to the site plan

00:49:39.469 --> 00:49:41.234
this will have to adhere to the
jordan rule?

00:49:41.516 --> 00:49:44.406
>> I believe so.
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor.

00:49:44.844 --> 00:49:46.844
>> are there other questions?

00:49:47.250 --> 00:49:49.719
If not, this is a public
hearing.
Is there anyone that would like

00:49:51.656 --> 00:49:54.219
to speak on this item, either
before or against?

00:49:54.453 --> 00:49:56.160
No one else asked to speak on
this item.

00:49:57.188 --> 00:49:58.797
i declare the public hearing
closed.

00:50:00.359 --> 00:50:02.828
Matter is before the council.
Properly moved and seconded.

00:50:03.531 --> 00:50:05.531
Madam Clerk, open the vote.

00:50:05.562 --> 00:50:08.310
Close the vote.
>> passes 7-0.
>> thank you.

00:50:08.203 --> 00:50:10.234
Madam Clerk do you want to
announce the results before we

00:50:10.234 --> 00:50:12.234
move on?

00:50:12.547 --> 00:50:14.547
>> yes, Mr. Mayor, members of

00:50:14.609 --> 00:50:17.780
the city council, gloria
nottingham has been appointed to

00:50:18.578 --> 00:50:20.609
the durham housing authority
board of commission with seven

00:50:20.609 --> 00:50:22.780
votes.
>> thank you.

00:50:23.812 --> 00:50:25.922
We now move to item 38.
38. Text amendment to the
unified development ordinance

00:50:25.922 --> 00:50:28.719
(Udo)-nonconforming
off-premise signs (Billboards)

00:50:29.297 --> 00:50:31.297
(Tc1000002)

00:50:36.797 --> 00:50:39.703
Let me just, again, layout the
ground rules for this public
hearing.

00:50:40.141 --> 00:50:42.141
For some of you who May have

00:50:43.703 --> 00:50:46.312
come in the room late, what I
have asked is that anyone that

00:50:46.938 --> 00:50:48.938
wants to speak on this matter,

00:50:49.641 --> 00:50:51.578
again this matter is a public
hearing, what I have asked is

00:50:52.109 --> 00:50:54.109
that you go to the clerk's table

00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.656
to the left and fill out one of
the cards.

00:51:00.470 --> 00:51:02.470
either indicating whether you

00:51:04.940 --> 00:51:06.940
are a proponent or opponent of

00:51:10.310 --> 00:51:11.828
the ordinance that is being
proposed.

00:51:14.562 --> 00:51:16.562
So far, I have 30 persons that

00:51:19.844 --> 00:51:22.109
have signed up to speak as
opponents.

00:51:22.469 --> 00:51:24.469
31, I'm sorry.

00:51:25.672 --> 00:51:27.484
31 persons signed up to speak as
opponents of this.

00:51:30.160 --> 00:51:32.160
And we have 24 persons that are

00:51:32.547 --> 00:51:33.984
signed up to speak as
proponents.

00:51:34.953 --> 00:51:36.953
No, normally, proponents have a

00:51:37.156 --> 00:51:39.891
certain amount of time to
present their case.

00:51:40.625 --> 00:51:42.625
and typically, proponents are

00:51:43.859 --> 00:51:45.422
the ones that are requesting the
change.

00:51:46.703 --> 00:51:48.703
What I would like to sudden of

00:51:49.375 --> 00:51:51.375
the persons that are anything

00:51:52.734 --> 00:51:55.109
the change, could you identify
yourselves now?
The persons that are requesting

00:51:55.109 --> 00:51:57.109
the change.

00:51:57.281 --> 00:52:00.281
Not the ones in support of it,
the ones that have gone to the

00:52:00.281 --> 00:52:03.780
planning department and asked
the planning department to make

00:52:04.656 --> 00:52:07.656
a change to this ordinance?
Who is representing them?

00:52:08.780 --> 00:52:10.891
I don't want you to speak, I
just want you to identify
yourself.

00:52:11.859 --> 00:52:13.859
Do you have other persons that

00:52:14.156 --> 00:52:15.656
are speaking in terms of your
presentation?

00:52:16.594 --> 00:52:18.656
Not ones that say they support
it or not?

00:52:18.656 --> 00:52:20.125
Anyone?
You do?

00:52:22.438 --> 00:52:24.438
do you know how many of those

00:52:31.312 --> 00:52:33.312
persons there are?

00:52:34.516 --> 00:52:36.750
Let me just suggest how I'm
going to follow this.

00:52:36.750 --> 00:52:38.750
It is 8:00.

00:52:38.812 --> 00:52:40.812
Don't want to be here all night.

00:52:40.844 --> 00:52:43.219
Don't intend to be here all
night.
Ok.

00:52:44.484 --> 00:52:46.484
So what I'm going to suggest is

00:52:47.310 --> 00:52:50.310
that each person has two
minutes.
Ok.
So what it means is those

00:52:51.562 --> 00:52:53.969
persons who are speaking in
opposition, have you two minutes

00:52:53.969 --> 00:52:56.438
to speak.
There is no yielding.

00:52:57.940 --> 00:52:59.875
So if you don't want to speak,
you move on and somebody else

00:53:00.375 --> 00:53:03.266
takes your place.
Likewise, the proponents have a

00:53:03.641 --> 00:53:05.641
total of 61 minutes.

00:53:07.812 --> 00:53:09.547
In other words, I'm giving 62
minutes for the o.

00:53:12.812 --> 00:53:14.250
>> notes and 62 minutes for the
proponents.

00:53:17.281 --> 00:53:19.281
And typically we allow 2/3 of

00:53:19.484 --> 00:53:22.453
the time for the proponents to
speak and they come back on the

00:53:23.188 --> 00:53:25.422
bottom third for the rebuttal.
Decide how to do that.

00:53:27.438 --> 00:53:29.438
What I will do is after the

00:53:29.859 --> 00:53:32.703
staff made his presentation and
after council raised whatever

00:53:33.172 --> 00:53:35.172
questions it wants, I will go to

00:53:35.406 --> 00:53:37.406
the proponents to speak and ask

00:53:39.172 --> 00:53:41.844
the proponents have the
opportunity to speak, I will

00:53:45.109 --> 00:53:48.109
call on the opponents nap -- 
that is the process we will
follow.

00:53:49.688 --> 00:53:51.750
I will and the planning director
or whoever the appropriate

00:53:52.891 --> 00:53:54.891
person is to come forward and

00:53:59.500 --> 00:54:01.500
present the report on this item.

00:54:01.828 --> 00:54:03.828
>> good evening.

00:54:06.620 --> 00:54:07.531
te austin, durham city planning
department.

00:54:12.438 --> 00:54:14.438
Before you is tc 10002.

00:54:15.172 --> 00:54:17.172
Nonconforming off premise sign.

00:54:18.172 --> 00:54:21.470
Requested by fairway advertising
to amend sign standards in

00:54:22.780 --> 00:54:24.453
article 11 of the udo.
The current request and earlier

00:54:26.828 --> 00:54:28.828
versions have been discussed by

00:54:29.891 --> 00:54:31.891
the joint city-county planning

00:54:33.310 --> 00:54:35.310
committee since 2008.

00:54:35.125 --> 00:54:37.562
Jccpc asked the applicant to
make presentations to community

00:54:38.266 --> 00:54:40.766
groups and asked staff to
include specific information in
the report.

00:54:41.500 --> 00:54:42.938
The staff report includes that
information.

00:54:44.641 --> 00:54:47.312
The request was presented to the
durham city-county planning

00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:50.906
commission at their April 13th
meeting after receiving comment

00:54:51.312 --> 00:54:53.344
from the public, the commission
recommended denial of the

00:54:59.781 --> 00:55:01.859
request with a vote of 12-0.
>> got it.

00:55:02.453 --> 00:55:05.156
>> I would like to highlight
portions of the request and

00:55:06.219 --> 00:55:08.219
point out areas of concern.

00:55:08.797 --> 00:55:10.938
the request establishes a
billboard overlay district along

00:55:11.969 --> 00:55:14.906
specific highways and
interstates durham has shown in

00:55:16.620 --> 00:55:18.620
the map on your packet.

00:55:18.780 --> 00:55:20.310
The map was generated by staff
based on amendment text.

00:55:23.780 --> 00:55:25.780
The map depicts where billboards

00:55:27.578 --> 00:55:29.812
may be installed under current
eight state regulations and

00:55:30.547 --> 00:55:33.484
current regulations.
It does not provide information

00:55:35.828 --> 00:55:38.594
on residentially zoned or used
parcels.

00:55:39.859 --> 00:55:41.859
The request also establishes a

00:55:42.234 --> 00:55:43.703
billboard registration
requirement.

00:55:44.828 --> 00:55:46.828
Every state permitted billboard

00:55:47.406 --> 00:55:49.938
must be registered by the city
or county within 90 days of

00:55:50.703 --> 00:55:53.469
passage of the request.
No department has specified that

00:55:54.312 --> 00:55:56.312
would process the permits.

00:55:56.875 --> 00:55:58.750
A system of registered
billboards would need to be

00:56:00.250 --> 00:56:02.250
created and staff assigned to

00:56:02.547 --> 00:56:04.547
receive, review and ratify

00:56:06.547 --> 00:56:09.281
billboard requirements.
the requests also creates a

00:56:10.984 --> 00:56:13.391
permit to allow for the removal,
relocation, reconstruction of

00:56:15.969 --> 00:56:18.797
both registered billboards that
permit would be issued by the

00:56:19.203 --> 00:56:21.203
planning department.

00:56:21.297 --> 00:56:24.203
Currently, new-sign permits are
issued by the inspections
department.

00:56:25.438 --> 00:56:27.438
The request allows relocated

00:56:27.469 --> 00:56:30.141
billboards in nonresidentially
zoned lots.

00:56:31.641 --> 00:56:33.641
current state and federal

00:56:34.281 --> 00:56:36.281
regulations allow also -- excuse

00:56:36.922 --> 00:56:39.109
me, allow billboards only in
commercially zoned parcels.

00:56:40.859 --> 00:56:42.859
The state restricts billboards

00:56:43.453 --> 00:56:45.453
along scenic by ways.

00:56:45.922 --> 00:56:47.484
No construction is made upon the
requests.

00:56:48.391 --> 00:56:51.940
Presumably these could be
reconstructed in any zone

00:56:52.625 --> 00:56:54.328
contrary to federal and state
regulations.

00:56:55.297 --> 00:56:57.297
relocated and reconstructed

00:56:57.609 --> 00:56:59.109
billboards must meet certain
specifications.

00:57:00.203 --> 00:57:02.547
Most of the specifications
mirror existing state statute,

00:57:04.203 --> 00:57:06.938
but I would like to discuss two
in particular.

00:57:07.578 --> 00:57:10.219
The request establishes
separation requirements.

00:57:10.750 --> 00:57:12.750
It exempts billboards on

00:57:13.547 --> 00:57:15.891
multiple poles that are
relocated or reconstructed on

00:57:17.250 --> 00:57:20.219
the same lot.
Currently, approximately 73% of

00:57:21.940 --> 00:57:23.625
the billboards in durham are on
multiple poles.

00:57:24.359 --> 00:57:27.620
The proposed text requires the
separation of 1000 feet of

00:57:28.859 --> 00:57:30.859
relocated or reconstructed

00:57:30.906 --> 00:57:32.906
billboards and 500 and 200 feet

00:57:33.234 --> 00:57:35.234
from locally and nationally

00:57:35.406 --> 00:57:38.312
designated historic districts or
residentially zoned or used

00:57:38.578 --> 00:57:40.578
property if they're on the same

00:57:41.781 --> 00:57:43.781
side of the road.

00:57:43.812 --> 00:57:45.922
The text defines same side of
the road as adjacent to the same

00:57:46.484 --> 00:57:49.391
side of the road and the
billboard faces are oriented to

00:57:50.940 --> 00:57:52.953
the same direction of traffic.
Nothing in the language

00:57:54.219 --> 00:57:56.328
precludes signs from being
erected across from each other

00:57:56.328 --> 00:57:58.328
in many places.

00:57:58.422 --> 00:58:00.422
The state regulates signs inside

00:58:00.797 --> 00:58:02.359
and outside incorporated areas
differently.

00:58:03.906 --> 00:58:06.906
Spacing reflects proximity to
also roadway features such as

00:58:08.500 --> 00:58:10.500
intersections and interchanges.

00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:12.875
The request establishes a
landscaping requirement.

00:58:13.578 --> 00:58:15.578
The landscaping requirements

00:58:16.281 --> 00:58:17.719
must be met by 90 days after
egstration.

00:58:18.844 --> 00:58:20.953
A landscaping plan must be
submitted to the city or county

00:58:22.391 --> 00:58:25.359
before a billboard can be
relocated or reconstructed.

00:58:25.828 --> 00:58:28.719
The plan will indicate the
location and type of vegetation

00:58:29.891 --> 00:58:32.688
to ensure coverage and height
requirements are met.

00:58:37.310 --> 00:58:39.310
A canopy tree of 2.5 inches must

00:58:39.703 --> 00:58:41.406
be planted on each end of the
billboard.

00:58:41.875 --> 00:58:43.875
Payment in lieu for installing

00:58:44.141 --> 00:58:45.969
is allowed if accepted by the
city and county.

00:58:47.406 --> 00:58:49.406
The request allows for the

00:58:50.281 --> 00:58:52.281
conversion of some digital

00:58:52.922 --> 00:58:54.375
billboard copy display
billboards.

00:58:55.953 --> 00:58:58.781
The proposal allows a billboard
owner to replace 25% of the

00:59:03.310 --> 00:59:05.562
total display area with digital
display.

00:59:06.594 --> 00:59:09.328
Total display area includes all
currently owned in durham.

00:59:09.891 --> 00:59:11.891
Many have multiple faces that

00:59:15.844 --> 00:59:17.641
would be included in that
calculation.

00:59:19.969 --> 00:59:21.969
the proposed text requires the

00:59:23.906 --> 00:59:25.906
display of one, 8-second purpose

00:59:26.781 --> 00:59:28.188
service announcement every 60
seconds.

00:59:29.891 --> 00:59:32.312
It defines the psa any
announcement for which no charge

00:59:33.625 --> 00:59:35.625
is made and which promotes

00:59:35.891 --> 00:59:37.922
programs, charges or services of
federal state or legal

00:59:39.310 --> 00:59:41.328
governments or the program's
activities or services of

00:59:41.328 --> 00:59:43.328
nonprofit organizations.

00:59:44.734 --> 00:59:46.734
And announcements regarded as
serving community interest

00:59:47.297 --> 00:59:49.766
excluding time signals and
routine weather announcements.

00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:52.000
Concern about this requirement

00:59:53.812 --> 00:59:55.609
will be addressed later in the
presentation.

00:59:56.641 --> 00:59:58.641
The majority of the requirements

00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:01.953
for digital display mirrors
state and federal regulations

01:00:02.312 --> 01:00:04.312
however one regulation allows

01:00:07.750 --> 01:00:09.750
for displays of 7,500 nits in

01:00:09.859 --> 01:00:11.219
daylight and 1,000 nits at
night.

01:00:17.594 --> 01:00:20.562
Nits are a candlea per square
meter, measure of luminosity or

01:00:21.406 --> 01:00:23.906
how bright it compares.
The brighter it is compared to

01:00:24.844 --> 01:00:26.844
the background, the easier or

01:00:27.375 --> 01:00:29.938
clearer it will be to see.
Displays with gray scale or

01:00:30.938 --> 01:00:32.938
full-color images require more

01:00:32.984 --> 01:00:35.922
nits than a single-color
display.
Internet research finds a range

01:00:40.281 --> 01:00:42.281
of intensity of daylight in

01:00:44.156 --> 01:00:46.156
4,000 to 6,500 nits.

01:00:46.828 --> 01:00:49.562
It is 15 to 88% brighter than
those daylight figures on a
clear day.

01:00:51.310 --> 01:00:53.310
The nighttime display can be one

01:00:53.438 --> 01:00:55.438
quarter as bright as ambient

01:00:57.797 --> 01:00:59.797
daylight on a clear day.

01:01:00.172 --> 01:01:02.469
A review of the proposal and
implementation of the priorments

01:01:03.703 --> 01:01:05.703
raise issues -- requirements

01:01:05.781 --> 01:01:07.781
will raise issues.

01:01:09.453 --> 01:01:11.453
I will review those briefly.

01:01:11.578 --> 01:01:13.160
Aesthetics are in the eye of the
beholder.

01:01:14.422 --> 01:01:16.422
State and local laws differ on

01:01:16.625 --> 01:01:19.160
the aesthetic as do local and
national surveys.

01:01:19.828 --> 01:01:21.859
Durham is no different.
Durham determined that

01:01:22.359 --> 01:01:24.531
billboards and sign clutter ask
not promote economic

01:01:24.531 --> 01:01:26.562
development.
Current sign regulations are

01:01:28.141 --> 01:01:31.310
based on aesthetics and public
safety concerns.

01:01:33.672 --> 01:01:35.672
An industry-sponsored survey

01:01:36.172 --> 01:01:37.609
found support for industry
proposals.

01:01:38.984 --> 01:01:40.984
The durham convention and

01:01:43.109 --> 01:01:44.984
visitor's bureau found that the
maintaining support for the

01:01:45.156 --> 01:01:47.891
current signs.
Billboards are touted for the

01:01:48.781 --> 01:01:51.250
effect on economic development.
The actual effect is mixes.

01:01:52.297 --> 01:01:54.297
They can be used to draw

01:01:55.797 --> 01:01:57.234
visitors to local services and
attraction.

01:01:58.391 --> 01:02:00.531
They can draw business to other
communities.

01:02:01.266 --> 01:02:04.203
Billboards generate taxes for
local government and pay fees to

01:02:04.875 --> 01:02:07.344
landowners for allowing the
billboard on their property.

01:02:08.812 --> 01:02:11.344
The tax generated is minimal
because they're taxed as

01:02:11.609 --> 01:02:14.312
personal property.
Only few benefit from the lease.

01:02:15.160 --> 01:02:17.160
The construction and maintenance

01:02:17.188 --> 01:02:20.156
of billboards provide jobs
although limited locally.

01:02:22.160 --> 01:02:24.160
Concentrated in led production.

01:02:24.219 --> 01:02:26.219
Those substantial positive

01:02:26.391 --> 01:02:28.531
effect has been identified for
durham's economic development.

01:02:29.422 --> 01:02:31.422
The amount of distract of

01:02:31.562 --> 01:02:34.438
drivers caused by off-premise
signs has been debated
throughout america.

01:02:35.266 --> 01:02:37.828
The impact on public safety
presented by digital billboards

01:02:38.609 --> 01:02:40.609
and digital signs generally is a

01:02:40.875 --> 01:02:43.469
hot button, regulatory issue.
Numerous studies in the united

01:02:44.344 --> 01:02:46.344
states have been conducted on

01:02:46.812 --> 01:02:48.141
driver distraction of various
types.

01:02:49.609 --> 01:02:52.219
By entities including federal
highway administration, national

01:02:52.375 --> 01:02:55.780
highway safety traffic safety
administration, university of

01:02:55.780 --> 01:02:57.719
north carolina highway safety
research center, local

01:02:57.828 --> 01:02:59.922
governments and insurance
companies.

01:03:02.125 --> 01:03:04.125
The data from these studies

01:03:04.828 --> 01:03:07.797
indicate that digital billboards
do indeed pose a safety risk due

01:03:08.625 --> 01:03:11.172
to inherent distracting
qualities.
Courts have agreed.

01:03:12.438 --> 01:03:15.172
Such as the first U.S. Circuit
court of appeals.

01:03:15.438 --> 01:03:17.641
The federal highway
administration is currently

01:03:18.470 --> 01:03:21.470
conducting research to identify
ways to limit the negative lim

01:03:25.484 --> 01:03:27.547
packet -- impact on drivers
from roadway signage.

01:03:28.391 --> 01:03:30.719
any change to one area of the
sign ordinance can lead to

01:03:31.922 --> 01:03:33.922
similar changes in other areas.

01:03:33.984 --> 01:03:36.797
If digital billboards are
allowed the public safety and

01:03:38.500 --> 01:03:41.156
aesthetic justification for
allowing the digital portable

01:03:42.266 --> 01:03:43.703
signs could be compromised or
eliminated.

01:03:47.469 --> 01:03:49.469
The fhwa says the growing use of

01:03:49.609 --> 01:03:52.344
L.E.D. Technology for
advertising an on-premise

01:03:52.844 --> 01:03:54.844
application is a concern because

01:03:55.438 --> 01:03:57.719
such signs May be larger than
traditional billboards, closer

01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:00.719
to the right-of-way and to

01:04:01.891 --> 01:04:04.688
roadway sections with high-task
demands and May include

01:04:07.328 --> 01:04:09.328
animation and full-motion video.

01:04:11.766 --> 01:04:13.766
>> the law is clear that

01:04:13.859 --> 01:04:16.656
billboards can be regulated more
strictly than other signs, even

01:04:19.297 --> 01:04:21.297
banned entirely.

01:04:22.578 --> 01:04:24.641
Down the list, the regulation is
legally challenging.

01:04:25.172 --> 01:04:27.780
The request raises legal
concerns in a number of areas.

01:04:28.750 --> 01:04:30.750
The first is the allowance of

01:04:31.750 --> 01:04:33.750
billboards in zoning districts

01:04:36.578 --> 01:04:39.391
other than commercial and
industrial districts.

01:04:42.891 --> 01:04:44.891
It is interpreted by nc dot.

01:04:45.328 --> 01:04:47.328
Case law said localities cannot

01:05:01.281 --> 01:05:03.281
zone solely for billboard use.

01:05:03.703 --> 01:05:05.938
A second concern is how to
allocate billboards between

01:05:06.780 --> 01:05:08.344
companies that are being
requested.
No mechanism to choose is

01:05:08.344 --> 01:05:10.391
included.
The third concern is the

01:05:10.391 --> 01:05:12.391
requirement to return public

01:05:13.470 --> 01:05:15.922
service announcements, psa that
include noncommercial
advertising.

01:05:16.750 --> 01:05:19.359
Sign regulations must be content
neutral and in particular,

01:05:20.620 --> 01:05:22.188
cannot favor some noncommercial
messages over others.

01:05:22.859 --> 01:05:25.297
It appears that since the
noncommercial advertising would

01:05:25.969 --> 01:05:28.672
be a legal requirement imposed
by government, then government

01:05:29.906 --> 01:05:31.906
would need to require that all

01:05:32.312 --> 01:05:34.578
requestors be allowed digital
time without regard to the

01:05:37.312 --> 01:05:40.250
message they wish to display.
Profane or obscene message are

01:05:40.984 --> 01:05:42.984
likely excluded but not clear

01:05:44.219 --> 01:05:46.953
what else could be excluded.
Finally, how can governing

01:05:47.516 --> 01:05:49.688
bodies rationally justify
allowing digital billboards

01:05:50.453 --> 01:05:52.453
without arc louing the same

01:05:53.594 --> 01:05:55.594
digital -- allowing the same

01:05:58.297 --> 01:06:01.620
digital technology on on premise
signs.
It is especially since the

01:06:02.310 --> 01:06:04.875
courts have allowed on-premise
signs to be treated more

01:06:06.672 --> 01:06:08.672
favorably than off-premise.

01:06:09.609 --> 01:06:11.609
Durham currently limits

01:06:12.312 --> 01:06:14.547
on-premise digital displays.
>> financial and staffing

01:06:14.984 --> 01:06:17.312
impacts of this proposal are
hard to quantify.

01:06:18.422 --> 01:06:21.391
The request creates at least two
new permits to be developed and

01:06:22.781 --> 01:06:24.484
staffed in a short time period
after adoption.

01:06:26.620 --> 01:06:28.391
The relocation or reconstructed
billboards and new landscaping

01:06:29.531 --> 01:06:31.531
would need to be inspected.

01:06:31.766 --> 01:06:34.703
A process for payment in lieu
would need to be put in place.

01:06:34.734 --> 01:06:36.938
Statutory authority would have
to be ascertained.

01:06:37.672 --> 01:06:39.672
A zoning map change would have

01:06:41.109 --> 01:06:42.672
to be processed and adopted with
passage.

01:06:43.172 --> 01:06:45.172
It is not certain that current

01:06:45.781 --> 01:06:47.781
staffing levels could maintain

01:06:48.250 --> 01:06:50.250
the adopted work program items,

01:06:51.484 --> 01:06:54.484
priority and incorporate the new
systems.
>> if durham decides to change

01:06:55.219 --> 01:06:58.188
the billboard ordinance to allow
digital signs, technical

01:06:59.310 --> 01:07:00.422
standards must be carefully
drafted.

01:07:01.620 --> 01:07:03.359
All relevant departments and
probably an outside consultant

01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:06.156
should be involved.
Staff would need to be trained

01:07:07.625 --> 01:07:10.562
on enforcing the new ordinance.
New technology would need to be

01:07:13.641 --> 01:07:15.641
purchased to ensure compriens

01:07:16.281 --> 01:07:18.281
and -- compliance and

01:07:19.641 --> 01:07:21.109
particularly with digital
convergence.

01:07:23.344 --> 01:07:26.156
The fhwa digital billboard
safety study currently underway

01:07:27.547 --> 01:07:29.719
is expected to provide a more
comprehensive understanding of

01:07:31.781 --> 01:07:33.781
the safety implications of

01:07:34.310 --> 01:07:36.297
digital signs than May need to
guide regulation at the federal

01:07:36.297 --> 01:07:38.297
level.

01:07:39.734 --> 01:07:41.734
a 2009 report from the american

01:07:42.125 --> 01:07:44.125
association of state highway and

01:07:45.969 --> 01:07:48.531
transportation officials
recommend standards for

01:07:53.160 --> 01:07:55.160
site-specific digital displays.

01:07:55.780 --> 01:07:57.641
If durham decides to change the
ordinance to allow the signs,

01:07:57.750 --> 01:08:00.547
there should be benefit and
protection for the citizens of
durham.

01:08:01.547 --> 01:08:04.312
There are numerous options,
including the following.

01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:06.719
Trade-off specific location, sun

01:08:07.297 --> 01:08:08.859
seat provisions, financial
assistance.

01:08:10.125 --> 01:08:12.797
Carb an neutral, revenue sharing
is mentioned by the planning

01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.000
commission and income method

01:08:15.562 --> 01:08:17.234
which would require a change in
north carolina law.

01:08:18.703 --> 01:08:20.703
many of the options have been

01:08:28.344 --> 01:08:30.344
used by other localities.

01:08:30.812 --> 01:08:32.812
There is concern about the

01:08:32.875 --> 01:08:34.875
effect on durham's appearance.

01:08:34.922 --> 01:08:36.922
Is not crafted and problematic

01:08:37.156 --> 01:08:38.625
in many areas as noted in the
presentation.

01:08:40.391 --> 01:08:42.391
the current ordinance works well

01:08:46.969 --> 01:08:48.969
and with stood legal challenge.

01:08:49.940 --> 01:08:51.562
Citizen reaction has been
negative.
The fact that little economic

01:08:51.828 --> 01:08:54.672
benefit has been identified and
based on extensive research and

01:08:55.672 --> 01:08:57.672
consideration of the issues,

01:08:59.281 --> 01:09:01.281
staff recommends denial of the

01:09:02.109 --> 01:09:04.875
text amendment.
>> ok.
You have heard the staff report.

01:09:06.470 --> 01:09:08.609
Let me ask first, are there
questions by members of the

01:09:11.656 --> 01:09:13.656
council on the staff comments?

01:09:15.156 --> 01:09:17.156
If not, we're going to proceed

01:09:17.422 --> 01:09:19.688
with the comments both for
proponents and opponents.

01:09:20.234 --> 01:09:22.234
i just went through the cards
again, just a minute.

01:09:23.891 --> 01:09:25.891
I went through the cards again.

01:09:28.438 --> 01:09:30.438
We actually have 31 persons that

01:09:32.875 --> 01:09:34.875
have signed up to speak oz -- 

01:09:35.406 --> 01:09:37.406
as opponents.

01:09:38.875 --> 01:09:40.875
One person is listed as an

01:09:43.109 --> 01:09:44.547
opponent and listed as a
proponent.

01:09:45.984 --> 01:09:47.984
In the original count Mrs. White

01:09:48.250 --> 01:09:50.391
signed twice as a proponent.
That made it 23.

01:09:52.531 --> 01:09:53.922
You had someone in there as an
opponent.

01:09:55.500 --> 01:09:58.940
John white, I moved him over for
24.
Based on the number of persons

01:09:58.938 --> 01:10:00.938
that signed up to speak in terms

01:10:01.938 --> 01:10:04.109
of opposing it, I was going to
allocate two minutes each, which

01:10:05.844 --> 01:10:07.609
is a total of 62 minutes for the
opponents side.

01:10:08.109 --> 01:10:10.109
You have additional cards.

01:10:22.620 --> 01:10:23.391
can you bring them up?
Ok.

01:10:26.766 --> 01:10:28.188
So I have additional person as a
proponent.

01:10:28.797 --> 01:10:31.797
So that is 25 proponents.
And I have an additional person

01:10:34.641 --> 01:10:36.641
as an opponent, so they're back
to 32.
Ok.

01:10:37.141 --> 01:10:39.297
I will stop there.
We will deal with anybody else

01:10:39.531 --> 01:10:41.531
that comes up.

01:10:43.344 --> 01:10:45.344
so based on that, 32 persons

01:10:45.719 --> 01:10:47.719
signed up to speak as opponents.

01:10:48.160 --> 01:10:50.281
Two minutes each for a total of
64 minutes.

01:10:52.125 --> 01:10:54.125
Likewise, I'm going to give the

01:10:55.940 --> 01:10:57.940
opponents, the persons -- the

01:10:58.156 --> 01:11:00.359
opponents 32 times two, 64
minutes.

01:11:03.859 --> 01:11:05.766
i will give the proponents 64
minutes.

01:11:06.797 --> 01:11:09.641
That will be broken down, since
we have 25 persons that want to

01:11:10.875 --> 01:11:12.875
speak as proponents, I'm going

01:11:13.234 --> 01:11:15.234
to take one out, that leaves 24.

01:11:16.547 --> 01:11:18.547
That means the persons who will

01:11:18.578 --> 01:11:21.406
be speaking two minutes each, 24
of you, will have two minutes
each.

01:11:23.422 --> 01:11:25.422
That is a total of 48 minutes.

01:11:26.625 --> 01:11:28.625
total of 64 minutes.

01:11:30.750 --> 01:11:33.531
So that leaves the proponents -- 
I'm going to speak to the

01:11:34.297 --> 01:11:37.188
attorney chief, that leaves them
16 minutes to speak.

01:11:38.797 --> 01:11:40.797
Typically we allow 2/3 of that

01:11:41.828 --> 01:11:43.828
for the proposal and another

01:11:44.310 --> 01:11:46.310
third to come back as rebuttal.

01:11:46.141 --> 01:11:48.141
therefore, Mr. Chief, what I am

01:11:49.203 --> 01:11:51.906
suggesting is that you have 11
minutes to speak and you have

01:11:52.984 --> 01:11:54.406
five minutes in terms of
rebuttal.

01:11:55.470 --> 01:11:57.470
And everybody else that comes up

01:11:58.391 --> 01:11:59.781
to speak as a proponent is two
minutes.

01:12:01.780 --> 01:12:03.780
We have a clock over here.

01:12:03.828 --> 01:12:06.620
We can you to come to this
podium and watch the clock.

01:12:07.156 --> 01:12:10.620
I'm not being rude, in two
minutes, if you haven't
finished.

01:12:11.234 --> 01:12:13.297
I will gavel you, disregard your
comments and the next person

01:12:13.297 --> 01:12:15.859
comes to speak.
Again, no one yields time.

01:12:16.641 --> 01:12:18.641
If you signed up and you don't

01:12:19.703 --> 01:12:22.000
want to speak, we just move on
and we continue the process.

01:12:23.281 --> 01:12:25.281
So having said that, I am going

01:12:26.578 --> 01:12:28.578
to open it for the proponents.

01:12:28.844 --> 01:12:30.844
If you introduce yourself

01:12:31.188 --> 01:12:33.188
attorney chief and at this time,

01:12:33.516 --> 01:12:35.625
I'm suggesting that you have for
that.
You have got that?

01:12:37.453 --> 01:12:39.453
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor, I do.

01:12:39.484 --> 01:12:41.484
>> Mr. Mayor, members of

01:12:42.797 --> 01:12:44.797
council, I'm lewis cheek, I'm

01:12:45.734 --> 01:12:48.625
with law office of gates on
durham.
>> Mr. Mayor, with the time

01:12:49.172 --> 01:12:51.172
restrictions placed on us, it is

01:12:51.828 --> 01:12:53.828
not possible for me to reply to
the staff's report.

01:12:56.109 --> 01:12:58.109
That is the reason that I

01:12:58.469 --> 01:13:01.375
prepared this some-25-page
report that we previously
provided to you.

01:13:02.953 --> 01:13:04.953
I hope you had an opportunity to

01:13:05.516 --> 01:13:08.453
review it in order to see our
responses, we believe we have

01:13:10.160 --> 01:13:12.160
been responsive to the staff's

01:13:12.328 --> 01:13:14.328
report and spoken to all the

01:13:14.484 --> 01:13:16.766
criticisms that have been
levelled against the proposed

01:13:17.500 --> 01:13:19.703
text amendment.
I have time to give a brief

01:13:19.703 --> 01:13:21.859
overview.
I will make it brief.

01:13:22.828 --> 01:13:25.766
About 25 years ago, ordinances
were enacted in durham to seek

01:13:27.266 --> 01:13:29.266
to make billboards go away.

01:13:29.375 --> 01:13:31.375
billboards are still here.

01:13:31.500 --> 01:13:33.500
They will be as long as there is

01:13:36.780 --> 01:13:38.780
a business demand.

01:13:39.641 --> 01:13:41.641
First, what does it cost durham?

01:13:43.453 --> 01:13:45.453
First because of limits on

01:13:45.891 --> 01:13:48.656
repair, it doesn't help durham.
Old-style structures generate

01:13:50.453 --> 01:13:53.328
little tax revenue.
Third abuse replacement is

01:13:54.940 --> 01:13:56.940
prohibited new technology cannot

01:13:56.266 --> 01:13:59.940
be utilized.
It is time to change the
approach.

01:14:00.234 --> 01:14:02.234
As I heard asked before, what's

01:14:02.438 --> 01:14:04.969
in it for durham?
First, registration locally

01:14:05.266 --> 01:14:07.266
provides local control over

01:14:07.281 --> 01:14:10.141
appearance and compliance.
second, new materials and

01:14:12.547 --> 01:14:15.188
required landscaping improve
appearance.

01:14:15.188 --> 01:14:17.188
Third, separation requirements

01:14:19.516 --> 01:14:21.625
eliminate clusters.
Fourth reconstruction requires

01:14:22.625 --> 01:14:24.859
removal of billboards from
residential and historic

01:14:24.859 --> 01:14:26.859
districts.

01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:30.000
And with digital billboards come

01:14:30.620 --> 01:14:33.000
additional benefits.
One free public service

01:14:33.875 --> 01:14:35.875
announcement per minute, 24

01:14:36.141 --> 01:14:38.172
hours per day as the one
illustrated above you.

01:14:40.609 --> 01:14:43.109
Free two-hour public emergency
message, like the one used in

01:14:45.780 --> 01:14:47.609
minnesota at the time of the
bridge collapse.

01:14:48.922 --> 01:14:50.922
Amber and silver alerts with

01:14:51.780 --> 01:14:53.780
pictures and descriptions to

01:14:53.625 --> 01:14:56.594
assist in LOCATINGs missing
senior citizens and children.

01:14:58.391 --> 01:15:00.688
Not just the sterile sign on the
highway, but signs that provide

01:15:04.940 --> 01:15:06.969
descriptions and pictures.
Real-time wanted posters to help

01:15:07.469 --> 01:15:09.469
us fight crime like the one used

01:15:10.703 --> 01:15:12.703
to capture the bank robber that

01:15:13.141 --> 01:15:15.781
terrorized four states.
Durham also gets fees.

01:15:16.516 --> 01:15:19.375
This council should not enact
any text amendment that won't

01:15:19.406 --> 01:15:22.780
pay for itself.
This text amendment is designed

01:15:22.750 --> 01:15:24.750
through permitting fees that

01:15:25.156 --> 01:15:27.780
will occur periodically to pay
for itself.

01:15:27.547 --> 01:15:29.859
New jobs.
Most of them are construction

01:15:31.297 --> 01:15:33.297
jobs but you have a letter in

01:15:33.719 --> 01:15:36.125
front of you from cree, which
indicated the benefit that there

01:15:38.797 --> 01:15:40.797
could be to that company.

01:15:41.375 --> 01:15:44.109
10, flexible and economical
advertising to support small,

01:15:44.766 --> 01:15:46.766
local businesses.

01:15:47.780 --> 01:15:49.438
Last, better structures with
greater tax value resulting in

01:15:49.438 --> 01:15:51.438
increased taxes.

01:15:51.906 --> 01:15:54.160
The nay sayers say billboards
are ugly.

01:15:55.516 --> 01:15:58.780
Why not make them as attractive
as possible?

01:15:58.780 --> 01:16:00.780
Billboards are unsafe.

01:16:00.953 --> 01:16:02.953
But there is no empirical

01:16:04.160 --> 01:16:06.125
evidence of accidents caused by
billboards.

01:16:06.297 --> 01:16:07.953
Billboards provide little
economic benefit.

01:16:12.125 --> 01:16:15.000
But fees can be set as i
indicated to cover the cost.

01:16:18.906 --> 01:16:21.812
Full build out of $135,000 are
generated.
Government and nonprofits

01:16:23.780 --> 01:16:25.781
receive 1 million in free
advertising and businesses have

01:16:26.438 --> 01:16:28.160
access to economical
advertising.

01:16:29.188 --> 01:16:31.188
Next, they say billboards use

01:16:31.422 --> 01:16:32.812
electricity and generate carbon
dioxide.

01:16:34.984 --> 01:16:37.953
but billboards don't use water,
sewer, storm water capacity,

01:16:38.297 --> 01:16:40.953
fire protection or other
municipal services.

01:16:42.940 --> 01:16:44.940
Technology is improving and

01:16:44.469 --> 01:16:46.359
renewable energy sources are
increasingly available.

01:16:47.672 --> 01:16:49.672
And electricity consumption can

01:16:50.328 --> 01:16:53.203
be offset by purchasing local
renewable energy credits.

01:16:55.470 --> 01:16:57.470
they also say billboards cause

01:16:59.470 --> 01:17:01.470
litigation, but what litigation

01:17:01.780 --> 01:17:03.780
will it cause?

01:17:03.609 --> 01:17:05.844
This text amendment loosens the
strangle hold.

01:17:06.109 --> 01:17:08.109
Billboards are unpopular.

01:17:08.812 --> 01:17:10.547
It has been undorsed by chamber
of commerce.

01:17:12.984 --> 01:17:15.562
Crime stoppers, durham chapter
nonprofits like the hayti

01:17:16.156 --> 01:17:18.422
heritage center, durham rescue
mission and businesses like

01:17:18.422 --> 01:17:21.328
cree.
Some folks just plain don't like

01:17:22.406 --> 01:17:25.940
anything about billboards.
For those folks, there is

01:17:26.172 --> 01:17:28.172
nothing that the billboard

01:17:29.470 --> 01:17:30.969
industry can offer that will be
acceptable.

01:17:33.906 --> 01:17:35.906
Ash ford, burlington, charlotte,

01:17:36.750 --> 01:17:39.109
new burn, rocky mount,
winston-salem all allow

01:17:39.688 --> 01:17:41.984
billboards including digital.
The text amendment offers the

01:17:42.688 --> 01:17:44.891
opportunity to change the
relationship with the billboard

01:17:46.391 --> 01:17:48.391
industry and durham.

01:17:48.828 --> 01:17:50.828
From adversarial to a

01:17:51.766 --> 01:17:53.766
partnership after 25 years, the

01:17:55.625 --> 01:17:57.625
time has come.

01:18:07.516 --> 01:18:09.516
>> thank you, I -- [Applause]

01:18:10.141 --> 01:18:12.141
You have five minutes and five

01:18:14.109 --> 01:18:16.812
minutes for rebuttal, a total of
10 if you choose to use it.

01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:20.953
i will call the name of persons
as you signed up.

01:18:20.953 --> 01:18:22.750
I don't know how you're
positioned to speak.

01:18:24.391 --> 01:18:25.828
So you might want to follow this
procedure.

01:18:28.625 --> 01:18:30.625
Matt west, ernie mills, junior.

01:18:31.620 --> 01:18:33.620
Cases stein backer.

01:18:33.172 --> 01:18:35.172
Anthony [Inaudible].

01:18:35.266 --> 01:18:37.266
Harold reese.

01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:40.000
daniel caster.

01:18:40.406 --> 01:18:43.109
An son campbell.
Reverend whitley.

01:18:44.547 --> 01:18:46.547
Andy miller.

01:18:51.940 --> 01:18:52.922
Thelma glenn white.
Raymond pierce.

01:18:55.620 --> 01:18:57.620
Lily patterson.

01:18:58.625 --> 01:19:01.453
fleet wood chasive.
John bobby.

01:19:04.469 --> 01:19:06.469
Russell ber inger.

01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:11.000
Jacqueline weiss lis.

01:19:14.547 --> 01:19:16.547
Can jewel, terry or tony adams.

01:19:17.141 --> 01:19:19.141
Cricket sanders.

01:19:22.844 --> 01:19:25.812
victor valquez john white oliva
susan.
And those are the persons that

01:19:28.516 --> 01:19:30.188
are signed up to speak as
proponents.

01:19:31.859 --> 01:19:34.656
Again, each has two minutes.
Again, just say your name and

01:19:34.969 --> 01:19:37.828
address and we can move on.
>> mayor bell, if it is all

01:19:38.125 --> 01:19:40.125
right with you and council, we

01:19:41.310 --> 01:19:43.310
had our speakers put in orders

01:19:43.266 --> 01:19:45.266
that address topics, you know in

01:19:45.438 --> 01:19:48.470
groups to keep the presentation
flowing smoothly.

01:19:49.578 --> 01:19:51.578
So we won't exactly follow the

01:19:51.750 --> 01:19:53.750
order of the cars but all of

01:19:53.781 --> 01:19:55.250
those people will be speaking.
Thank you.

01:19:58.516 --> 01:20:00.516
>> was that your speech?

01:20:01.922 --> 01:20:03.922
i'm serious.
>> I was just going over the

01:20:05.484 --> 01:20:08.940
order of the speakers to make
sure you're comfortable with it.

01:20:10.734 --> 01:20:13.594
>> let me say again.
I would prefer that people come

01:20:13.828 --> 01:20:16.828
as I called them.
If they want to change
alliances.

01:20:18.672 --> 01:20:20.672
I will have to shuffle cards.

01:20:21.780 --> 01:20:23.780
sorry apologize.

01:20:27.172 --> 01:20:29.609
>> matt west.
>> mayor bell, members of the

01:20:29.609 --> 01:20:31.609
city council, ladies and

01:20:31.922 --> 01:20:34.625
gentlemen, welcome, it is the
first time I've had the pleasure
of being here.

01:20:35.453 --> 01:20:37.453
I'm looking at the clock and

01:20:37.594 --> 01:20:39.453
well, I have an extra couple of
seconds.

01:20:39.953 --> 01:20:42.484
Thank you very much.
i'm honored to be here to speak

01:20:43.766 --> 01:20:45.422
on behalf of being a proponent
on this.

01:20:46.125 --> 01:20:48.125
You're going to hear many voices

01:20:50.562 --> 01:20:53.141
that are going to represent the
vote yes means a yes for

01:20:54.234 --> 01:20:56.469
business and companies like cree
an exciting headquarter company

01:20:57.780 --> 01:20:59.780
here that I think will change

01:21:00.547 --> 01:21:03.172
the optics for durham moving
forward.
vote yes continues to vote for

01:21:05.470 --> 01:21:07.470
the business units that use that
advertising mechanism to drive

01:21:08.312 --> 01:21:10.312
their sales funnel.

01:21:11.160 --> 01:21:13.328
I hesitate in saying that during
a challenging economic time

01:21:13.891 --> 01:21:15.891
taking that tool out of their

01:21:16.625 --> 01:21:19.594
tool belt gives me great pause.
I think about the nonprofit and

01:21:22.797 --> 01:21:24.797
community agencies that benefit

01:21:25.438 --> 01:21:27.438
from the very generous billboard

01:21:28.266 --> 01:21:31.203
industry giving us a million
dollar bank of advertising to

01:21:32.234 --> 01:21:34.172
use, not only recognize all the
organizations that do such great

01:21:35.484 --> 01:21:37.484
work to make durham a great

01:21:38.780 --> 01:21:40.780
community, but also assist our

01:21:41.219 --> 01:21:43.219
crime fighters that go out

01:21:43.391 --> 01:21:45.391
everyday to keep us safe.

01:21:45.453 --> 01:21:48.453
So as I look at the clock
ticking, I also want to address

01:21:49.594 --> 01:21:52.594
it from someone who is a
salesperson and sold
advertising.

01:21:54.734 --> 01:21:56.940
So it is taking my livelihood
away.

01:21:57.203 --> 01:21:59.203
And with three young daughters,

01:21:59.906 --> 01:22:01.906
one of which is celebrating her

01:22:03.780 --> 01:22:05.780
11th birthday across the street

01:22:05.812 --> 01:22:07.812
as we speak, what I want you to

01:22:09.750 --> 01:22:11.750
think about is a came to durham

01:22:12.453 --> 01:22:14.719
18 years ago and heard all about
durham's crime problem.

01:22:15.750 --> 01:22:18.422
I shutter to think that if we
have the opportunity to get one

01:22:20.328 --> 01:22:22.328
criminal, to save one young

01:22:22.422 --> 01:22:24.422
person or one uncle like I had

01:22:25.125 --> 01:22:27.125
in houston, texas that has

01:22:27.969 --> 01:22:30.625
dementia that got lost, we can't
afford to not take advantage of

01:22:33.620 --> 01:22:34.500
the generosity of the billboard
industry.

01:22:35.531 --> 01:22:37.531
Thank you very much.

01:22:37.734 --> 01:22:39.734
[Applause]

01:22:39.938 --> 01:22:42.734
>> let me ask, if you might
refrain from applause.

01:22:43.312 --> 01:22:45.312
Either for or against.

01:22:46.578 --> 01:22:49.470
i just want to move the speakers
forward.
Then have discussion at the

01:22:49.453 --> 01:22:51.453
appropriate time.

01:22:51.859 --> 01:22:54.859
Ernie mills, junior.
>> thank you for allowing me to

01:22:56.891 --> 01:22:58.797
come share my thoughts on the
issue.

01:22:59.297 --> 01:23:01.453
Ernie mills, junior with the
durham rescue mission.

01:23:03.234 --> 01:23:05.234
Our main purpose is to serve

01:23:05.266 --> 01:23:07.969
addicts, to help them achieve
victory over their addictions

01:23:10.609 --> 01:23:12.406
and to help them find employment
opportunities.

01:23:14.470 --> 01:23:16.875
The new billboard regulations, I
believe, would help provide

01:23:17.250 --> 01:23:19.484
employment for those addicts.
We heard the increased

01:23:20.344 --> 01:23:22.344
construction jobs, the

01:23:23.453 --> 01:23:25.453
landscaping jobs, and also it

01:23:26.984 --> 01:23:28.453
would pull traffic off the
interstate.

01:23:29.250 --> 01:23:31.250
>> yes, ma'am, pull traffic off

01:23:31.422 --> 01:23:33.422
the interstate to patronize

01:23:33.891 --> 01:23:35.891
local businesses which employ

01:23:36.234 --> 01:23:38.234
our clientele.

01:23:38.797 --> 01:23:40.797
Also, we serve at-risk children.

01:23:41.940 --> 01:23:43.940
The thought of one of those

01:23:44.734 --> 01:23:46.734
children being abducted and then

01:23:47.266 --> 01:23:49.266
not having the signs there, the

01:23:50.172 --> 01:23:52.172
thought of the car passing a

01:23:53.219 --> 01:23:55.219
concerned citizen on the highway

01:23:55.453 --> 01:23:57.109
and they not even know it, it
scares me.

01:23:58.812 --> 01:24:00.812
It scares me somewhat.

01:24:01.156 --> 01:24:03.984
Also fairway has been tremendous
partners with the durham rescue
mig.

01:24:06.953 --> 01:24:09.125
You know, we ask for no tax
dollars whatsoever to provide

01:24:10.188 --> 01:24:12.188
the services that we provide.

01:24:14.234 --> 01:24:16.234
Fairway has been generous to

01:24:17.172 --> 01:24:18.562
donate advertising space to us
already.

01:24:21.141 --> 01:24:23.141
They have also offered to

01:24:24.875 --> 01:24:27.281
provide advertising space to the
billboards, to not only us but

01:24:28.953 --> 01:24:31.109
all durham charities.
In essence, they will give back

01:24:31.109 --> 01:24:33.922
to the community.
One last thing, it provides us

01:24:35.470 --> 01:24:37.656
an opportunity to reach out to
potential clients that, you

01:24:38.781 --> 01:24:40.781
know, they might not come to us,

01:24:40.922 --> 01:24:42.922
they May not know about our

01:24:43.620 --> 01:24:45.531
services, but especially when we
have operation warm shelter in

01:24:47.766 --> 01:24:49.703
the fridgit months, there are
folks that could freeze to death

01:24:50.172 --> 01:24:52.172
and die in the streets.

01:24:53.500 --> 01:24:56.266
With the signs, we could put up,
one day, just put up please come

01:24:56.375 --> 01:24:58.406
to us.
Please seek shelter.

01:25:00.672 --> 01:25:02.470
It will be cold tonight.
[Beep].

01:25:03.750 --> 01:25:05.750
>> thank you.

01:25:06.780 --> 01:25:08.780
>> casey steinbecker.

01:25:08.578 --> 01:25:10.578
Followed by anthony [Inaudible].

01:25:10.812 --> 01:25:12.781
>> good evening, mayor, members
of council.

01:25:14.250 --> 01:25:16.250
I'm President And ceo of the

01:25:17.188 --> 01:25:18.625
greater durham chamber of
commerce.

01:25:19.734 --> 01:25:21.125
It is the business in durham
county.

01:25:21.891 --> 01:25:23.891
We want to assist existing

01:25:24.406 --> 01:25:25.766
businesses to grow and ekpand in
durham.

01:25:27.310 --> 01:25:29.734
The goal is to provide jobs as
an investment so durham can

01:25:31.547 --> 01:25:33.750
continue as an economically
vibrant place to live work and

01:25:33.750 --> 01:25:36.281
learn.
There is a track record of the

01:25:37.219 --> 01:25:39.406
last 100 years of doing that.
No better example of the last

01:25:39.516 --> 01:25:41.984
two years.
2008 and 2009 when the country

01:25:42.125 --> 01:25:45.780
was experiencing two of the
worst economic years since the

01:25:46.750 --> 01:25:48.750
depression era, durham announces

01:25:49.188 --> 01:25:51.188
over 2 billion worth of business

01:25:51.688 --> 01:25:53.688
investments with the intent to

01:25:53.734 --> 01:25:56.500
create over 4200 jobs.
We're in the front line and

01:25:56.859 --> 01:25:58.906
trenches when it comes to
dealing with businesses to

01:25:59.203 --> 01:26:01.203
operate effectively to offer

01:26:02.906 --> 01:26:04.906
these jobs and salaries.

01:26:05.875 --> 01:26:08.141
We spend a great deal of team
recruiting for the economic

01:26:08.609 --> 01:26:11.281
development strategy.
In November 2008, the durham

01:26:12.470 --> 01:26:14.984
chamber reviewed the changes to
this ordinance and deemed them

01:26:15.219 --> 01:26:17.844
appropriate and worthy of
supporting.
This is still the position of

01:26:18.922 --> 01:26:20.922
the chamber today.

01:26:21.828 --> 01:26:24.156
We reviewed that at the facts at
hand and experience in

01:26:24.594 --> 01:26:26.500
relocating companies and
individuals that never once

01:26:28.203 --> 01:26:30.203
expressed billboards as an

01:26:32.297 --> 01:26:34.297
impediment to location decision.

01:26:36.469 --> 01:26:38.641
Addoor advertising has long been
in use.

01:26:40.234 --> 01:26:42.234
If it was not used, it would

01:26:42.672 --> 01:26:45.406
have faded from lack of demand,
that is driven bite

01:26:46.375 --> 01:26:48.344
effectiveness of its -- by the
effectiveness of its use.

01:26:49.780 --> 01:26:51.484
There is ever-changing
technology that is driving all

01:26:51.922 --> 01:26:54.470
of america and creating jobs
here in durham.

01:26:54.984 --> 01:26:57.328
And found ways to expand usage
to help in critical community

01:26:57.625 --> 01:26:59.422
issues like the one you heard
from earlier.

01:26:59.828 --> 01:27:01.828
My role here today is to tell

01:27:01.859 --> 01:27:03.859
you two things.

01:27:04.297 --> 01:27:06.297
One, the sign clutter does not

01:27:07.906 --> 01:27:10.562
have a negative impact on our
development.
We support the changes and

01:27:10.641 --> 01:27:12.938
encourages durham city council
to do so as well.

01:27:12.938 --> 01:27:14.766
[Beep].
>> thank you.

01:27:15.641 --> 01:27:17.641
>> you're welcome.

01:27:17.984 --> 01:27:20.781
Anthony, darrell, daniel,
allison campbell, in that order.

01:27:25.312 --> 01:27:26.719
>> hi, my name is anthony
pliaske.

01:27:30.922 --> 01:27:32.656
I am the Chairman Of the durham
chamber of commerce.

01:27:33.656 --> 01:27:35.219
I have a company located here in
durham.

01:27:35.891 --> 01:27:37.891
I would like to give a personal

01:27:38.469 --> 01:27:40.328
side of the story to relocate
intie new climate.

01:27:41.266 --> 01:27:43.469
Our company moved here a few
years ago from the northeastern

01:27:43.469 --> 01:27:45.469
part of the country.

01:27:46.109 --> 01:27:48.266
We applied 48 different filters
to determine whether we were

01:27:49.470 --> 01:27:50.469
moving into a business-friendly
environment.

01:27:51.516 --> 01:27:53.516
None of the filters were

01:27:53.641 --> 01:27:56.312
impacted by anything related
billboards or outdoor signage.

01:27:58.312 --> 01:28:00.984
And in fact, we did encounter in
our search of multiple areas in

01:28:02.156 --> 01:28:04.594
the state, in our fair state, we
had more than one option to

01:28:05.188 --> 01:28:07.188
choose from, an area that did

01:28:07.859 --> 01:28:10.688
have ordinances at the time that
prevented outdoor signs.

01:28:11.266 --> 01:28:13.940
Although it wasn't a factor in
our decision.

01:28:13.828 --> 01:28:15.594
It did come across to a
potential relocating

01:28:16.906 --> 01:28:18.906
organization as restrictive.

01:28:19.141 --> 01:28:21.141
And it had a very negative

01:28:22.109 --> 01:28:23.875
business connotation from a
surface-level view.

01:28:24.906 --> 01:28:27.438
It had no impact on our
decision.
We're happy with our decision,

01:28:28.375 --> 01:28:30.953
we're in support of the
ordinance as is the greater

01:28:31.609 --> 01:28:34.547
durham chamber of commerce as
casey mentioned.
Thank you.

01:28:38.422 --> 01:28:40.422
>> harold reese.

01:28:41.828 --> 01:28:43.828
>> good evening, mayor bell,

01:28:44.188 --> 01:28:46.188
members, good evening.

01:28:47.297 --> 01:28:49.797
I'm harold reese on 4 shady
ridge here in durham.

01:28:51.203 --> 01:28:52.641
I come for a few different
reasons.

01:28:54.797 --> 01:28:56.797
One as a resident, small

01:28:56.969 --> 01:28:58.969
business utilizing technology

01:29:00.172 --> 01:29:02.781
and a Chairman Member of a local
nooup board here -- nonprofit
board.

01:29:04.312 --> 01:29:06.141
I have been here 25 years.
I wasn't born here.

01:29:07.470 --> 01:29:09.578
As I live in this community, I
look forward to things that

01:29:10.312 --> 01:29:12.312
happen that would bring us along

01:29:12.984 --> 01:29:14.328
with other communities such as
ours.

01:29:16.297 --> 01:29:18.297
I'm in definite support of this

01:29:19.310 --> 01:29:21.156
proposal because I think that it
is a sign of progression.

01:29:22.266 --> 01:29:25.000
It allows people like myself to
feel good about being here,

01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:27.797
moving forward.
As it relates to a small

01:29:28.672 --> 01:29:30.672
business owner, I think it is

01:29:31.547 --> 01:29:33.547
very important that this allows

01:29:35.312 --> 01:29:37.609
me to spend my grant facilities,
in particular in a digital

01:29:38.516 --> 01:29:40.516
environment and allows me to

01:29:40.609 --> 01:29:43.484
target some of my particular
customers because I'm a
technology company.

01:29:45.516 --> 01:29:48.188
It allows me to specifically
target customers in areas of the

01:29:53.000 --> 01:29:55.656
city if I have access to digital
implementation.
Last but not least the nonprofit

01:29:55.656 --> 01:29:57.500
opportunity is extremely
important to me.

01:29:58.310 --> 01:30:00.310
As Chairman Of the board, we

01:30:00.938 --> 01:30:03.375
have programmatic things that
happen to garner support for

01:30:03.938 --> 01:30:05.938
those types of activities.

01:30:07.578 --> 01:30:09.470
Some of these are fund-raising
opportunities.

01:30:09.750 --> 01:30:11.250
They allow us to reach out to
the community.

01:30:12.453 --> 01:30:14.453
As I speak right now, I'm

01:30:14.781 --> 01:30:17.719
involved in a great situation
with north carolina industry

01:30:18.516 --> 01:30:20.484
called the north carolina
institute program.

01:30:21.297 --> 01:30:24.219
we have a billboard right now
with fairway and it is static.

01:30:25.266 --> 01:30:27.656
As things change throughout the
league and season, it would be

01:30:28.859 --> 01:30:30.766
nice to dynamically change those
things on the board.

01:30:32.703 --> 01:30:35.531
If I have access to digital, I
would have the opportunity to do
that.

01:30:36.172 --> 01:30:39.109
I urge you to support this.
People like me have a chance to

01:30:40.470 --> 01:30:42.470
be proud about living here,

01:30:42.750 --> 01:30:44.750
doing business here and enhance

01:30:45.641 --> 01:30:48.281
the nonprofits we're involved
in.
Thank you.

01:30:51.422 --> 01:30:53.219
>> welcome.
In that order.

01:30:54.688 --> 01:30:57.156
>> good evening mayor bell,
mayor pro tem and members of

01:30:57.156 --> 01:30:59.156
city council.

01:31:01.940 --> 01:31:03.328
i am danielle casper I live on
gate house lane.

01:31:04.734 --> 01:31:07.620
I have been a durham resident
and support the changing of the

01:31:07.875 --> 01:31:10.672
billboard ordinance.
I travelled to many other

01:31:10.875 --> 01:31:12.812
communities and can hardly tell
there is a difference.

01:31:14.734 --> 01:31:16.969
I love durham and am personally
involved on many nonprofit

01:31:17.875 --> 01:31:19.875
boards and committees in this

01:31:20.453 --> 01:31:22.453
great committee some include

01:31:25.688 --> 01:31:27.656
durham jaycee, rotary and keep
durham beautiful.

01:31:29.359 --> 01:31:32.359
We'll help these and many others
celebrate participation in
events.

01:31:32.891 --> 01:31:35.000
Identify criminals and deliver
community information such as

01:31:36.469 --> 01:31:38.859
environmental tips, to name a
few, all at no charge.

01:31:40.594 --> 01:31:43.000
I ask that you join me in
supporting outdoor advertising

01:31:44.500 --> 01:31:46.500
an allowing digital billboards.

01:31:46.969 --> 01:31:49.780
Thank you for your time.
>> you're welcome.

01:31:50.875 --> 01:31:53.406
Andy miller.
Thelma white.

01:31:55.375 --> 01:31:57.375
Raymond pierce.

01:31:57.922 --> 01:32:00.422
Thelma patterson, in that order.
>> I'm allison campbell, a

01:32:00.594 --> 01:32:03.594
resident of durham.
I'm an advertising professional

01:32:03.828 --> 01:32:05.828
and a work for a nonprofit.

01:32:06.531 --> 01:32:08.531
I think that the proposed text

01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:11.000
amendment would provide a great

01:32:11.766 --> 01:32:14.703
opportunity for nonprofits to,
you know, spread their message.

01:32:17.310 --> 01:32:19.310
I think that it also would

01:32:19.438 --> 01:32:21.703
provide improvement to the
billboards we have existing now,

01:32:23.469 --> 01:32:26.780
which are in dire need of it.
thank you.

01:32:27.375 --> 01:32:29.375
>> welcome.

01:32:30.109 --> 01:32:32.109
Reverend whitley.

01:32:38.219 --> 01:32:40.453
>> melvin wittily, harvard
avenue, east durham.

01:32:42.156 --> 01:32:44.859
Listen, there are people that
opposed [Inaudible] To continue

01:32:46.297 --> 01:32:49.125
to use horse and buggy.
There were people that continue

01:32:51.406 --> 01:32:53.406
to use typewriters because they

01:32:54.641 --> 01:32:56.641
did not believe in computers.

01:32:56.781 --> 01:32:58.781
This is 2010.

01:33:00.344 --> 01:33:02.344
We have the technology to

01:33:04.109 --> 01:33:06.780
communicate effectively to the
driving public.

01:33:07.470 --> 01:33:09.250
I like billboards.
It tells me where to stop to

01:33:09.250 --> 01:33:11.250
eat.

01:33:11.656 --> 01:33:13.656
It tells me where I can

01:33:14.156 --> 01:33:16.625
[Chuckling] Like I need to eat
[Chuckling].
>> I'm not going to take that

01:33:18.266 --> 01:33:20.266
time away from you.

01:33:22.234 --> 01:33:24.234
[Laughter]
[Laughter].

01:33:26.875 --> 01:33:29.469
>> it communicates to me where
historical property is and gives

01:33:31.938 --> 01:33:33.938
me the opportunity to visit -- 

01:33:34.750 --> 01:33:37.641
visit other sites in the cities.
I would like to ask.

01:33:38.375 --> 01:33:41.344
Most of all, city council, this
is a tool to fight crime.

01:33:44.940 --> 01:33:46.940
And I would ask that your vote

01:33:49.531 --> 01:33:51.531
tonight be a vote to stop crime.

01:33:51.922 --> 01:33:53.328
All those in support of the
billboard

01:33:57.469 --> 01:33:59.469
billboard, please stand.

01:34:01.875 --> 01:34:03.875
Thank you so much.

01:34:07.375 --> 01:34:09.375
>> annie miller.

01:34:09.906 --> 01:34:11.906
Thelma glenn white.

01:34:12.470 --> 01:34:14.750
Lassa chaffis, phyllis rogers.
>> I'm andy miller.

01:34:16.688 --> 01:34:18.688
A member of durham 2614 road.

01:34:19.625 --> 01:34:22.328
I'm a member of the north
carolina sheriff police alliance

01:34:22.953 --> 01:34:24.953
and we're in support of this.
We believe the opportunity that

01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:30.000
it offers for law enforcement to

01:34:32.620 --> 01:34:34.266
combat crime, target our
neighborhoods and specific

01:34:35.406 --> 01:34:37.406
minority groups that at times

01:34:38.469 --> 01:34:40.469
are under attack with a

01:34:42.641 --> 01:34:44.984
real-time message is -- there is
no other way to explain.

01:34:47.219 --> 01:34:48.750
This is a very exciting issue
for us.

01:34:49.922 --> 01:34:51.922
just imagine a day that when a

01:34:52.594 --> 01:34:54.594
little girl or boy goes missing,

01:34:54.859 --> 01:34:57.620
within minutes there is a
message up all along the

01:34:58.422 --> 01:35:00.828
corridor of this great city.
Imagine when the crime spikes in

01:35:01.297 --> 01:35:04.940
certain neighborhoods, we can
put that alert up there, be on

01:35:04.828 --> 01:35:06.797
the look out for this group of
individuals, be on the look out

01:35:06.875 --> 01:35:08.875
for this car.

01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:11.969
as far as law enforcement is
concerned, this is a tool we

01:35:12.234 --> 01:35:14.234
believe we absolutely cannot

01:35:14.641 --> 01:35:16.641
turn our backs on.

01:35:17.344 --> 01:35:19.344
Now, the mayor put me behind the

01:35:19.922 --> 01:35:21.922
reverend whitley, and I can't

01:35:23.516 --> 01:35:25.516
speak nearly as eloquently as he

01:35:26.188 --> 01:35:28.188
can and being that I'm not a

01:35:28.297 --> 01:35:30.297
good ortator.

01:35:31.719 --> 01:35:33.719
i will end on a borrowed quote

01:35:35.969 --> 01:35:37.672
from a great ortator, reverend
king.

01:35:38.703 --> 01:35:40.828
Shallowed understanding is more
frustrating than absolute

01:35:42.620 --> 01:35:44.969
misunderstanding from people of
ill will.
North carolina sheriff police

01:35:45.344 --> 01:35:48.281
alliance encourages you to adopt
this resolution.
Thank you.

01:35:49.516 --> 01:35:51.516
>> you're welcome.

01:35:52.160 --> 01:35:53.578
>> thelma glenn white.
Raymond pierce.

01:35:55.312 --> 01:35:57.312
>> good afternoon, Mr. Mayor,

01:35:57.719 --> 01:36:00.594
fellow city council members.
I'm thelma glenn white.

01:36:01.250 --> 01:36:02.656
I live here in durham, north
carolina.

01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:06.359
I'm the President Of amy woods

01:36:08.940 --> 01:36:09.469
community and chair of precinct
3842.

01:36:10.703 --> 01:36:13.328
We're here to support the
digital billboard technology.

01:36:14.672 --> 01:36:16.672
It was not around 25 years ago

01:36:17.234 --> 01:36:20.141
when durham wrote the billboard
rules that we still use today.

01:36:20.141 --> 01:36:22.141
Times change.

01:36:22.875 --> 01:36:24.250
We need to keep up with the
times.

01:36:25.609 --> 01:36:28.344
We either move forward or
backward.
You can't expect new technology

01:36:29.953 --> 01:36:32.922
to be regulated by a 25-year-old
rule.
that doesn't make sense to me.

01:36:33.547 --> 01:36:35.547
What does make sense is we

01:36:35.953 --> 01:36:37.328
change our billboards -- I'm
sorry.

01:36:41.266 --> 01:36:43.266
What does make since is we need

01:36:44.156 --> 01:36:46.156
to change the billboard rules

01:36:47.203 --> 01:36:48.672
and allow the digital
billboards.

01:36:50.203 --> 01:36:52.766
All major stays have them, even
wichita, kansas have them.

01:36:53.375 --> 01:36:56.160
don't we compare ourselves to
those cities?

01:36:57.578 --> 01:37:00.281
Cities in north carolina are
burlington, greensboro,

01:37:02.160 --> 01:37:04.609
charlotte, go to the beach at
wilmington, near the mountains

01:37:04.922 --> 01:37:07.125
in asheville.
You see the billboards.

01:37:08.250 --> 01:37:10.516
These are cities we compare
ourselves to as well but don't

01:37:10.688 --> 01:37:13.594
allow them in durham.
the question is why?

01:37:13.797 --> 01:37:16.940
Time has changed.
We need to keep up with the

01:37:16.940 --> 01:37:18.940
time.

01:37:19.766 --> 01:37:22.469
Last year we had an alert in my
family.

01:37:23.906 --> 01:37:25.297
A 70-year-old cousin went
missing.

01:37:27.734 --> 01:37:29.734
She left a church program.

01:37:30.172 --> 01:37:32.160
Stopped for gas.
She's 78 years old.

01:37:33.281 --> 01:37:36.780
About dark, you are just
driving, get on the interstate

01:37:37.344 --> 01:37:38.688
and lose conscious of where you
are.

01:37:40.156 --> 01:37:42.250
She wound up near pine hurst
near the coast.

01:37:43.250 --> 01:37:45.250
She was found safely.

01:37:45.891 --> 01:37:47.891
We feel like digital billboards

01:37:48.125 --> 01:37:50.922
had been up, we could have got
involved to help find her
earlier.

01:37:50.922 --> 01:37:52.922
She is safe now.

01:37:53.438 --> 01:37:55.438
When I look at someone like you,

01:37:55.594 --> 01:37:57.641
my 83-year-old father, people
talk about e-mail [Beep] How

01:37:57.641 --> 01:37:59.641
convenient they are.

01:38:02.109 --> 01:38:04.938
Thank you.
>> pierce.

01:38:07.672 --> 01:38:09.641
Willie patterson.
I'm sorry.

01:38:10.344 --> 01:38:12.344
I am raymond pierce.

01:38:12.781 --> 01:38:14.391
Pierce is not here?
Ok.

01:38:17.719 --> 01:38:19.719
willie patterson.

01:38:20.156 --> 01:38:22.156
>> good evening, mayor bell,

01:38:24.310 --> 01:38:26.310
mayor pro tem and members of the

01:38:29.938 --> 01:38:31.938
city council.

01:38:36.312 --> 01:38:37.703
my name's willie parter -- 
patterson.

01:38:38.734 --> 01:38:40.734
Except for the time I served in

01:38:41.141 --> 01:38:43.781
the air force, I lived in durham
all my life.

01:38:46.422 --> 01:38:48.422
We fought the ncdot to relocate

01:38:48.984 --> 01:38:51.516
so it would not go through to
crest street neighborhood.

01:38:51.594 --> 01:38:53.594
Fortunately, we won.

01:38:55.859 --> 01:38:57.359
So we take good care of our
neighborhood.

01:38:58.531 --> 01:39:00.531
When we read about the proposed

01:39:00.766 --> 01:39:03.734
digital billboards in the
newspaper, we wanted to see for

01:39:04.406 --> 01:39:06.438
ourselves what the digital
billboards were really like.

01:39:08.109 --> 01:39:10.109
We did not want to take position

01:39:10.312 --> 01:39:12.312
on this important issue without

01:39:12.875 --> 01:39:15.344
seeing these digital billboards
in real life.

01:39:16.750 --> 01:39:18.750
One evening, about six weeks

01:39:19.547 --> 01:39:22.780
ago, a dozen members of the
crest street community council

01:39:23.312 --> 01:39:25.922
got into the church van and rode
to greensboro.

01:39:27.516 --> 01:39:29.516
We all saw several digital

01:39:29.922 --> 01:39:31.922
billboards both in daylight and

01:39:32.940 --> 01:39:34.940
then after the sun went down.

01:39:34.328 --> 01:39:36.969
Every one of us thought the
digital billboards looked great.

01:39:37.766 --> 01:39:39.938
they were not bright after dark
and they were clear and easy to

01:39:39.938 --> 01:39:41.938
read.

01:39:42.620 --> 01:39:45.000
So we all went to see them.
We all thought they looked
great.

01:39:47.672 --> 01:39:50.344
On behalf of the crest street
community, we hope the city

01:39:51.672 --> 01:39:54.109
council will approve them.
Thank you.
>> you're welcome.

01:39:57.781 --> 01:40:00.750
>> lisa chaffis, charles rogers,
jordan barbie.

01:40:02.328 --> 01:40:04.328
Russell barringer.

01:40:05.310 --> 01:40:07.891
Daryl [Inaudible].
>> thank you, mayor bell, mayor

01:40:09.188 --> 01:40:11.188
pro tem, members of the city

01:40:12.940 --> 01:40:13.500
council, my name is lisa
chaffis.

01:40:16.234 --> 01:40:18.141
I live at 400 reed drive in
crest community.

01:40:18.438 --> 01:40:21.266
I have four young children, i
think the city council should

01:40:22.438 --> 01:40:24.438
approve the digital billboards

01:40:26.780 --> 01:40:28.984
for amber laters.
The signs that say call five one
one

01:40:30.470 --> 01:40:32.891
1 don't work well.
We should not talk on cell

01:40:34.453 --> 01:40:36.453
phones anyway when driving.

01:40:37.620 --> 01:40:39.922
The digital billboards can show
a picture of the child and show

01:40:40.310 --> 01:40:41.828
other important information.
That would be good.

01:40:44.859 --> 01:40:47.625
I hope you approve the digital
billboards.
Most other cities have them, it

01:40:48.828 --> 01:40:51.000
is time for durham to catch up.
Thank you.
>> you're welcome.

01:41:00.844 --> 01:41:02.844
charles rogers.

01:41:04.219 --> 01:41:06.219
Good evening, mayor bell and

01:41:06.422 --> 01:41:09.188
members of the city council.
I am from the crest street
community.

01:41:10.470 --> 01:41:12.470
I want to encourage the city

01:41:14.391 --> 01:41:16.391
council to approve city council

01:41:16.953 --> 01:41:19.703
to use the digital billboard to
help find missing elderly

01:41:20.310 --> 01:41:22.125
people, I understand they're
called silver alerts.

01:41:22.859 --> 01:41:24.859
It is a fact that many of us on

01:41:24.906 --> 01:41:26.906
crest street are getting old.

01:41:27.531 --> 01:41:30.203
We don't care to move and are
proud to call crest street home.

01:41:31.781 --> 01:41:34.609
There is no mistaking that older
residents can easily get lost

01:41:35.812 --> 01:41:37.812
and the digital billboards can

01:41:38.875 --> 01:41:40.875
help to find them quick.

01:41:41.391 --> 01:41:44.312
I hope the city council would
support this and help the older

01:41:44.891 --> 01:41:47.688
folks in durham, especially
those from the crest street
neighborhood.

01:41:47.797 --> 01:41:49.797
Thank you.

01:41:49.828 --> 01:41:52.391
>> you're welcome.
John barbie.

01:41:57.500 --> 01:41:59.500
Russell beringer, daryl hinton.

01:41:59.672 --> 01:42:02.780
Jacqueline walker.
Dan jewel.

01:42:03.234 --> 01:42:05.234
>> good evening, mayor bell,

01:42:05.906 --> 01:42:08.609
members of the durham city
council.
My name is john barbie.

01:42:10.750 --> 01:42:12.250
I live and work in greensboro,
north carolina.

01:42:13.109 --> 01:42:15.109
As many of you know, durham is

01:42:15.578 --> 01:42:18.453
my father's home and bless his
soul, where I spent a lot of

01:42:19.719 --> 01:42:21.719
time visiting and growing up

01:42:21.984 --> 01:42:23.422
prior to my decision on higher
education.

01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:26.562
i attended north carolina
central university where I was

01:42:28.125 --> 01:42:30.938
active in sports as well as
business as a student athlete.

01:42:32.234 --> 01:42:34.375
I'm a member of the north
carolina hall of fame and

01:42:35.469 --> 01:42:37.469
currently the President Of the

01:42:38.109 --> 01:42:40.109
nccu booster club of all

01:42:40.906 --> 01:42:43.141
athletics at nccu.
Fairway has been supportive of

01:42:46.609 --> 01:42:48.688
the nccu club and is a model
citizen in durham.

01:42:49.516 --> 01:42:52.281
I want you ton my firsthand
experience of living in

01:42:52.891 --> 01:42:54.891
greensboro a community that

01:42:55.562 --> 01:42:58.359
allows digital billboards.
I have not heard from anyone

01:42:59.656 --> 01:43:02.531
that thinks of them being bright
and distracting.

01:43:04.797 --> 01:43:06.359
i have heard they're timely and
informative.

01:43:08.620 --> 01:43:10.703
It is a legitimate way to
advertise products and services.

01:43:10.766 --> 01:43:12.109
There is nothing wrong with
that.

01:43:13.780 --> 01:43:15.780
The addition of benefits of

01:43:16.344 --> 01:43:18.812
amber alerts, silver alert and
other community announcements.

01:43:18.953 --> 01:43:21.688
I want to share my personal
experience in greensboro, I want

01:43:22.453 --> 01:43:24.453
to share my passion of the

01:43:25.625 --> 01:43:28.219
university and north carolina
central.
The many women are competing in

01:43:29.484 --> 01:43:31.484
the highest level as we move

01:43:32.219 --> 01:43:34.766
from division ii to division I.
What a better way to share what

01:43:36.594 --> 01:43:39.562
is going on at the stadium,
gymnasium and durham athletic
park.

01:43:40.234 --> 01:43:42.234
I cannot think of a better way

01:43:43.469 --> 01:43:44.938
to get the word out than digital
billboards.

01:43:45.875 --> 01:43:47.875
plus, I cannot stand the fact

01:43:48.969 --> 01:43:50.969
that our number one rival, north

01:43:51.906 --> 01:43:54.844
carolina a and t has access to
digital billboards and nccu does

01:43:54.844 --> 01:43:56.844
not.

01:43:56.891 --> 01:43:59.125
I think the digital billboard
proposal makes sense to durham

01:43:59.688 --> 01:44:01.953
and coming at the right time.
I ask for your support.

01:44:05.859 --> 01:44:08.688
Thank you for listening.
>> colleagues on the city

01:44:10.531 --> 01:44:12.531
council, russell barringer.

01:44:14.531 --> 01:44:16.469
I'm probably the elder person
born in 1935.

01:44:17.438 --> 01:44:20.344
I have been here a long time.
I am the Chairman Of cable

01:44:21.172 --> 01:44:22.672
supply company been around since
1950.

01:44:23.344 --> 01:44:25.344
It May interest some of you i

01:44:28.812 --> 01:44:30.812
was on p and c in the mid 70s

01:44:30.953 --> 01:44:33.516
and mid 80s.
I remember spending about a year

01:44:34.125 --> 01:44:36.391
working on the ordinance that
we're speaking about that has

01:44:37.656 --> 01:44:39.656
been around for so long.

01:44:39.891 --> 01:44:42.234
It is an axiom in business, if
you are doing the same thing

01:44:43.328 --> 01:44:45.328
today as you did several years

01:44:45.625 --> 01:44:48.469
ago, the chance is you are not
doing it well.
things need to change.

01:44:49.562 --> 01:44:51.562
We get the benefit of upgraded

01:44:51.609 --> 01:44:54.578
in modern billboards.
They're attractively landscaped.

01:44:55.312 --> 01:44:57.703
I don't see how we can lose in
this endeavor.

01:44:58.703 --> 01:45:01.780
Whether you like it or not,
billboard industry is a business

01:45:01.780 --> 01:45:03.780
reality.

01:45:03.312 --> 01:45:05.312
And we need to focus on what we

01:45:06.453 --> 01:45:07.953
have to do to make them look
better.

01:45:09.156 --> 01:45:11.156
it was interesting about what

01:45:11.297 --> 01:45:13.297
north carolina central said, it

01:45:13.531 --> 01:45:15.297
can only help enhance the
athletic program.

01:45:15.797 --> 01:45:18.656
I cannot speak for duke, I
suspect the same thing would

01:45:19.391 --> 01:45:21.391
occur there.

01:45:22.906 --> 01:45:25.609
The football program is being
renovated.
Going through a renaissance.

01:45:26.578 --> 01:45:28.000
I suspect it would help a great
deal.

01:45:29.938 --> 01:45:32.750
coach k does not need -- coach k
or coach c could use it.

01:45:32.750 --> 01:45:34.750
Thank you very much.

01:45:36.188 --> 01:45:38.188
I hope you will approve it.

01:45:39.312 --> 01:45:41.312
>> I will read that one, too.

01:45:41.891 --> 01:45:43.891
Daryl [Inaudible].

01:45:45.562 --> 01:45:47.719
Speen good -- 
>> good afternoon.

01:45:48.422 --> 01:45:50.422
How is everybody doing today?

01:45:51.310 --> 01:45:52.531
>> I worked at elderly care
incorporated.

01:45:53.859 --> 01:45:55.297
I'm the veteran housing
director.

01:45:57.734 --> 01:45:59.734
What we do, homeless men who are

01:46:02.470 --> 01:46:04.470
on the street, they go to the v

01:46:04.906 --> 01:46:06.906
va, and we put them in houses.

01:46:07.250 --> 01:46:10.172
That might not mean so much.
Fairway advertising has been

01:46:11.109 --> 01:46:13.109
helpful in helping us set up

01:46:13.625 --> 01:46:15.656
some way of collecting money to
help these men.

01:46:16.125 --> 01:46:18.125
One thing I think everybody in

01:46:18.219 --> 01:46:19.859
this room has, everybody has an
e-mail address.

01:46:22.620 --> 01:46:24.620
A lot of the veterans that were

01:46:24.125 --> 01:46:26.125
homeless, they don't have

01:46:26.656 --> 01:46:28.656
anything like that.

01:46:28.734 --> 01:46:31.000
Don't know anything to do, don't
know where to go.

01:46:31.531 --> 01:46:33.609
they could look at the billboard
and we could give them

01:46:33.609 --> 01:46:36.780
information.
Some of the things we do, come

01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:40.547
over, get two bags of groceries,
free!
Don't cost you nothing.

01:46:42.344 --> 01:46:43.719
Can't go to food lion and do
that.

01:46:45.219 --> 01:46:47.219
But we provide services such as

01:46:48.219 --> 01:46:49.625
that to help the durham
community.

01:46:50.281 --> 01:46:52.922
The reverend mentioned about
food.
we're talking about food they

01:46:53.484 --> 01:46:56.328
can eat, go somewhere and try to
have it fixed and cooked.

01:46:57.594 --> 01:47:00.469
We provide those services.
We provide substance abuse,

01:47:01.297 --> 01:47:03.297
getting people off the street.

01:47:04.406 --> 01:47:07.310
We provide free health services
and care before the obama

01:47:07.703 --> 01:47:10.266
program, before there was a
national health care program, we

01:47:10.609 --> 01:47:13.141
were providing free service.
As some of you all might know

01:47:14.780 --> 01:47:15.516
about that, some of you might
not.

01:47:17.312 --> 01:47:19.312
Fairway advertising has helped

01:47:19.688 --> 01:47:21.688
us as a way for us to try to

01:47:21.750 --> 01:47:23.188
raise funds to support these
programs.

01:47:24.891 --> 01:47:27.328
Everybody knows about cutbacks.
I know you do.

01:47:28.391 --> 01:47:31.188
We all have seen it all over.
So support this billboard.

01:47:32.391 --> 01:47:34.359
It has -- they have been very
instrumental in helping some of

01:47:37.310 --> 01:47:39.310
the things that we do at care

01:47:39.406 --> 01:47:40.797
and we will continue to do those
things.

01:47:41.672 --> 01:47:43.672
But please support this.

01:47:43.703 --> 01:47:45.703
Thank you so much.

01:47:49.344 --> 01:47:51.344
>> you're welcome.

01:47:54.156 --> 01:47:56.156
jacqueline woolcots.

01:47:57.891 --> 01:48:00.719
>> good evening, I am jacqueline
we'd woolcots.

01:48:01.750 --> 01:48:03.156
I live on carver street in
durham.

01:48:05.859 --> 01:48:07.859
I'm the director for hartman

01:48:08.828 --> 01:48:10.828
center for sales advertising.

01:48:13.672 --> 01:48:16.672
It is home to the advertising
archives.
we're the only repository in the

01:48:17.469 --> 01:48:19.469
country that actively documents

01:48:19.609 --> 01:48:21.609
the history of advertising sales

01:48:22.641 --> 01:48:25.250
and marking history with special
emphasis on outdoor advertising.

01:48:26.922 --> 01:48:28.922
I have been a durham city

01:48:29.781 --> 01:48:31.891
resident for 12 years and truly
love living in durham.

01:48:33.594 --> 01:48:35.594
I'm a member of the

01:48:35.891 --> 01:48:38.453
raleigh-durham chapter of
outdoor advertising chapter.

01:48:39.734 --> 01:48:42.234
My opinions are my own and not
necessarily those of my employer

01:48:42.234 --> 01:48:44.562
duke university.
But having worked with

01:48:45.203 --> 01:48:47.203
collections that document the

01:48:47.703 --> 01:48:50.500
rich and unique history of
outdoor advertising in america

01:48:51.672 --> 01:48:54.547
for the last 12 years, the
collections have educated and

01:48:54.906 --> 01:48:57.750
exposed me to information about
the outdoor advertising industry

01:48:59.344 --> 01:49:01.344
more so than the average person.

01:49:01.641 --> 01:49:04.578
I fully support the amendment
and believe it has preyed on

01:49:06.470 --> 01:49:08.391
citizen's fears and spread
untruth in the desire to stand
against it.

01:49:08.750 --> 01:49:10.750
The durham text amendment is a

01:49:12.328 --> 01:49:15.266
good thing for durham and will
help the community and its

01:49:16.940 --> 01:49:18.940
businesses an nonprofits.

01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:21.797
Having digital billboards
provides opportunities for quick

01:49:22.940 --> 01:49:24.940
messages about messing persons
an other safety issues.

01:49:25.375 --> 01:49:27.375
As a mother of a toddler, I am

01:49:28.938 --> 01:49:31.844
in favor of having more ways to
communicate to the community

01:49:35.984 --> 01:49:37.984
about amber alert.

01:49:38.422 --> 01:49:41.156
donated nonprofit space is also
good.
And structure that are worth

01:49:41.859 --> 01:49:44.484
more is a plus in any economy.
We try to bring in new

01:49:45.160 --> 01:49:47.160
businesses with tax incentives.

01:49:47.188 --> 01:49:49.719
But allowing our current
billboards to be updated will

01:49:51.125 --> 01:49:53.531
increase tax income for our
community now.

01:49:54.500 --> 01:49:56.766
No additional billboards will be
allowed with this amendment.

01:49:58.141 --> 01:50:00.141
some will likely move to

01:50:00.344 --> 01:50:02.344
other -- [Beep].

01:50:03.875 --> 01:50:05.875
>> dan ule.

01:50:06.375 --> 01:50:09.141
>> good evening, Mr. Mayor,
members of council, I'm dan

01:50:10.875 --> 01:50:12.984
jewel, I'm a landscape architect
in private practice.

01:50:14.391 --> 01:50:16.891
A couple of years ago, the
fairway team asked me to help

01:50:19.219 --> 01:50:21.594
them with an outreach that the
jccpc directed them to do.

01:50:22.266 --> 01:50:24.656
I said I don't know, I need to
think about it.

01:50:25.828 --> 01:50:27.266
Frankly, I was ambivalent about
billboards.

01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:30.766
I had not thought about them.
As I started doing research into

01:50:31.609 --> 01:50:33.609
the reality of laws in durham

01:50:35.203 --> 01:50:38.203
and what it was doing, I got
involved.
I'm here before you tonight to

01:50:38.469 --> 01:50:41.470
urge you to approve the text
amendment before you tonight.

01:50:41.906 --> 01:50:44.406
Specific ail, I would like to
address the issue of appearance.

01:50:45.141 --> 01:50:48.109
If we believe that through
attrition over the next 10 or 15

01:50:50.156 --> 01:50:52.750
years the billboards will fall
down or come down appearance

01:50:53.625 --> 01:50:55.940
would not or should not be an
issue.

01:50:55.688 --> 01:50:57.797
Contrary to what many folks
contend or many choose to

01:50:58.391 --> 01:51:00.359
believe, billboards are here to
stay for a while.

01:51:01.310 --> 01:51:03.310
In fact, if you take the number

01:51:03.672 --> 01:51:05.672
of billboards, the fairway has

01:51:07.469 --> 01:51:10.203
lost since the end of
amortization, tell take 588

01:51:11.312 --> 01:51:13.312
years for them all to disappear.

01:51:13.609 --> 01:51:14.938
It looks like they're here to
stay.

01:51:17.547 --> 01:51:18.984
But they sure could use a
facelift.

01:51:21.780 --> 01:51:23.780
the three or four creosote poles

01:51:24.250 --> 01:51:25.656
are not in keeping with durham's
image.

01:51:26.688 --> 01:51:28.797
Why hasn't the billboard
industry done anything about

01:51:28.922 --> 01:51:31.531
this?
It is because the current law

01:51:31.922 --> 01:51:34.234
doesn't allow them to.
The ordinance before you today

01:51:35.531 --> 01:51:37.531
will allow the billboards to be

01:51:37.828 --> 01:51:39.828
rebuilt, renovated, upgraded in

01:51:40.203 --> 01:51:42.766
addition the new ordinance will
require that every billboard

01:51:44.312 --> 01:51:47.172
that is relocated or
reconstructed will install very

01:51:48.312 --> 01:51:51.141
specific landscape upgrades or
make a payment in lieu into a

01:51:52.578 --> 01:51:54.578
city fund to be established for

01:51:57.125 --> 01:51:59.422
durham gateway appearance
practical
projects.

01:52:02.859 --> 01:52:05.797
the structures will look better.
And hopefully it will put money

01:52:07.266 --> 01:52:09.125
into a fund, payment in lieu if
they show choose.

01:52:14.310 --> 01:52:16.609
I fail to see a problem with the
amendment.
[Beep].

01:52:18.266 --> 01:52:20.266
>>atory tony adams.

01:52:27.470 --> 01:52:29.547
 -- terry tony adams.
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor, I'm

01:52:31.625 --> 01:52:33.625
tony adams, executive director

01:52:34.516 --> 01:52:36.781
of the north carolina outdoor
advertising association.

01:52:37.797 --> 01:52:40.562
I respectfully ask that you
support the requested changes in

01:52:41.500 --> 01:52:43.500
the ordinance here.

01:52:43.703 --> 01:52:45.703
just to give you a little bit of

01:52:45.859 --> 01:52:47.859
personal background on me.

01:52:48.172 --> 01:52:50.172
Before I became the executive

01:52:50.234 --> 01:52:52.438
director of the outdoor
advertising association of north

01:52:53.938 --> 01:52:55.969
carolina, I worked at legal aid
of north carolina.

01:52:56.844 --> 01:52:58.844
I'm sure most of you are aware

01:52:59.453 --> 01:53:02.141
of what that it.
We provide free civil assistance

01:53:02.375 --> 01:53:04.922
to north carolinians.
i go to the legislature and

01:53:04.922 --> 01:53:07.812
fight hard for funding.
A lot of folks didn't think we

01:53:08.391 --> 01:53:10.391
should be helping poor people

01:53:11.219 --> 01:53:13.219
receive legal assistance.

01:53:13.797 --> 01:53:15.797
And I had not thought to leave

01:53:16.203 --> 01:53:19.156
legal aid but when this job
became available 10 years ago, I

01:53:20.469 --> 01:53:22.469
took it because I knew that the

01:53:24.844 --> 01:53:27.375
power of outdoor advertising for
nonprofits, for people who are

01:53:28.969 --> 01:53:31.703
not the wealthy folk in the
community, could benefit

01:53:32.375 --> 01:53:35.312
immensely from outdoor
advertising.
I found that to the be case.

01:53:38.453 --> 01:53:40.547
The first campaign we did with
the public service organization

01:53:41.547 --> 01:53:43.953
after I became director was with
the north carolina coalition

01:53:45.594 --> 01:53:47.594
against domestic violence.

01:53:48.891 --> 01:53:50.891
And that coalition counts the

01:53:52.438 --> 01:53:55.310
billboard campaign we did for a
50% increase in the number of

01:53:55.594 --> 01:53:57.594
battered women who called and

01:53:57.672 --> 01:54:00.141
got help from shelters in the
one year we did the campaign.

01:54:02.266 --> 01:54:04.844
I told the legislature about
five years ago, who said they

01:54:05.781 --> 01:54:08.780
want all the billboards in north
carolina to come down.

01:54:10.688 --> 01:54:12.688
I said, sir, I would not give up

01:54:13.422 --> 01:54:15.359
your perceived cluttering of
billboards which I don't agree

01:54:16.891 --> 01:54:19.891
with to start with, for saving
the life of one woman that got

01:54:21.156 --> 01:54:23.156
away from her batterer.

01:54:24.859 --> 01:54:26.234
I feel that way today as I did
then.

01:54:29.859 --> 01:54:31.859
i feel a fer vents of what it

01:54:32.109 --> 01:54:34.109
did do for the community.

01:54:34.938 --> 01:54:37.812
I hope you will support this.
[Beep].
>> thank you.

01:54:40.375 --> 01:54:42.375
Sanders, valquez, john white,

01:54:43.470 --> 01:54:46.160
oshgs live ja-singleton.
Those are the last names signed

01:55:06.620 --> 01:55:08.620
up to speak as proponents.

01:55:08.266 --> 01:55:10.266
>> I have a handful of letters

01:55:10.469 --> 01:55:12.469
that I will hand out.

01:55:12.516 --> 01:55:14.516
But cree would like to support

01:55:15.780 --> 01:55:17.780
digital displays as well as

01:55:17.219 --> 01:55:18.641
modifications to existing
billboards.

01:55:20.160 --> 01:55:22.160
Cree does make digital billboard

01:55:22.719 --> 01:55:25.453
component parts right here in
durham, north carolina.

01:55:26.891 --> 01:55:29.297
The second letter is from
st. Joseph's historic

01:55:29.297 --> 01:55:31.297
foundation.

01:55:31.766 --> 01:55:34.422
Diane has to say, please support
local nonprofits by voting in

01:55:37.000 --> 01:55:39.940
favor of digital messaging and
fairway ordinance change.

01:55:40.266 --> 01:55:42.266
We certainly heard from a

01:55:44.469 --> 01:55:46.469
variety of people, a very broad

01:55:46.641 --> 01:55:49.281
cross-section of persons here in
durham.
For those reasons and others you

01:55:49.875 --> 01:55:51.906
heard tonight, we ask you
support this change.

01:55:52.250 --> 01:55:54.250
Thank you.

01:55:54.516 --> 01:55:57.156
>> you're welcome.
Vickor valquez.

01:55:58.625 --> 01:56:01.484
John white, olivia singleton.
>> good evening, ladies and

01:56:01.859 --> 01:56:03.859
gentlemen of the city council,

01:56:04.828 --> 01:56:07.940
thank you for the opportunity to
approach you.

01:56:11.594 --> 01:56:13.594
i am victor valquez.

01:56:13.609 --> 01:56:16.310
I have a special appreciation
for the children of durham which

01:56:16.812 --> 01:56:19.781
is why I serve as the vice
Chairman Of the durham public

01:56:21.470 --> 01:56:23.609
schools advisory council.
I am interested in digital

01:56:24.160 --> 01:56:26.160
billboards given six weeks ago

01:56:28.470 --> 01:56:30.470
my wife and I gave birth to the

01:56:30.688 --> 01:56:32.125
newest durham resident, baby
benjamin.

01:56:33.688 --> 01:56:35.219
There are misconceptions in the
proposed text.

01:56:36.953 --> 01:56:39.688
Once an alert is issued all paid
advertising ceases and only the

01:56:39.953 --> 01:56:42.703
alert is shown.
Further the alert which can

01:56:44.125 --> 01:56:46.203
display a photo of the missing
child or vehicle description is

01:56:46.641 --> 01:56:48.641
shown for two hours.

01:56:50.172 --> 01:56:53.172
And as a durham taxpayer i
appreciate that would occur at
no cost.

01:56:53.609 --> 01:56:55.609
Good luck in the deliberations

01:56:55.844 --> 01:56:57.844
and thank you for your time.

01:56:58.312 --> 01:57:00.312
>> john white.

01:57:00.719 --> 01:57:02.547
>> good evening, mayor bell,
members of council.

01:57:04.250 --> 01:57:06.250
John white on behalf of the

01:57:06.656 --> 01:57:09.281
business community 202 hidden
springs drive.
I stand before you although I

01:57:10.516 --> 01:57:13.422
work for the greater durham
commerce, you had the chance to

01:57:14.359 --> 01:57:16.359
hear not only from the chair, I

01:57:16.531 --> 01:57:18.531
stand before you as a resident

01:57:19.203 --> 01:57:21.734
in support of the billboard text
amendment.
I'm here this evening to speak

01:57:22.469 --> 01:57:23.906
on behalf of the nonprofit
community.

01:57:24.734 --> 01:57:27.203
A lot of times people
misconceive the fact that the

01:57:28.780 --> 01:57:30.781
chamber of commerce is all about
supporting for-profit
businesses.

01:57:31.172 --> 01:57:34.780
We have a great deal of
nonprofits that are members of
the chamber.

01:57:36.656 --> 01:57:38.656
As well as we have -- along with

01:57:39.547 --> 01:57:41.250
the nonprofits, we have
for-profits and individual

01:57:41.688 --> 01:57:44.656
members of the chamber.
The text amendment would do many

01:57:47.391 --> 01:57:49.797
things for the community, but
ultimately for the nonprofit
community.

01:57:50.969 --> 01:57:53.297
It would allow them to free up
dollars of potential revenue

01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:55.641
that cannot be spent in the
tough economic times.

01:57:57.620 --> 01:57:59.620
As you are aware of, the state

01:57:59.578 --> 01:58:01.578
cut back their budget from 24

01:58:02.938 --> 01:58:05.469
billion two years ago, to 19
billion within right now, a

01:58:05.750 --> 01:58:07.938
billion dollars under which is
under consideration and May have

01:58:09.344 --> 01:58:11.344
to be -- the budget May have to

01:58:13.547 --> 01:58:16.359
be cut again from fmam money in
currently not decided on.

01:58:16.984 --> 01:58:19.422
The dollars unfortunately can't
be spent from the nonprofit

01:58:20.310 --> 01:58:22.310
community because at the end of

01:58:24.797 --> 01:58:27.234
the day when they stand before
you all or stand before north

01:58:27.469 --> 01:58:30.438
carolina asking for support,
they have to go to budget
numbers.

01:58:31.500 --> 01:58:34.344
If too much of the budget is on
advertising and trying to get

01:58:34.875 --> 01:58:37.578
the word out, that doesn't
reflect favorably for the
nonprofit.

01:58:41.470 --> 01:58:43.470
I ask for you to support the

01:58:43.719 --> 01:58:45.719
text amendment for the simple

01:58:45.844 --> 01:58:48.516
fact it will allow for these
businesses and nonprofits to
prosper.

01:58:50.781 --> 01:58:52.328
I appreciate your time and
consideration.

01:58:54.594 --> 01:58:56.310
>> you're welcome.
olivia

01:58:58.891 --> 01:59:01.766
olivia singleton.
That concludes all the persons

01:59:05.438 --> 01:59:07.672
that have signed up to speak as
proponents.

01:59:10.703 --> 01:59:13.780
We have had two persons names
added to this list.

01:59:13.812 --> 01:59:15.203
Let me explain, this is a public
hearing.

01:59:15.906 --> 01:59:18.578
public hearings, we don't cut
off persons who would like to

01:59:18.578 --> 01:59:20.578
speak an opportunity.

01:59:23.250 --> 01:59:26.470
What we try to do is be
equitable for time.

01:59:27.750 --> 01:59:29.750
Two persons having signed up,

01:59:29.797 --> 01:59:31.797
this is -- I don't know how I

01:59:33.594 --> 01:59:35.594
missed your name, olivia, joshua

01:59:46.375 --> 01:59:48.672
allen and ayodele collins.
Sand [Inaudible] Allison.

01:59:49.906 --> 01:59:51.906
I'm going to add four minutes to

01:59:52.953 --> 01:59:55.470
the proponents' time.
Though at the appropriate time,

01:59:56.188 --> 01:59:58.188
you have that to speak.

01:59:59.125 --> 02:00:01.125
i'm now going to call the

02:00:03.219 --> 02:00:05.453
persons who are speaking as
opponents of the item.

02:00:06.297 --> 02:00:08.297
If you proceed to the podium to

02:00:08.469 --> 02:00:10.469
the right.

02:00:15.620 --> 02:00:17.620
James stylers, peg Mccullough,

02:00:20.109 --> 02:00:22.109
david harris, eric stroder, tom

02:00:24.953 --> 02:00:26.953
paris, bob novak, [Inaudible]

02:00:32.470 --> 02:00:34.470
Pine, susan [Inaudible], david

02:00:38.797 --> 02:00:40.797
shiv, michael owen, steve

02:00:42.422 --> 02:00:43.594
[Inaudible], marijuanaa
a -- 

02:00:48.203 --> 02:00:50.969
mania gold slack.
Tom miller.

02:00:54.281 --> 02:00:56.281
Natalie spring, david fall.

02:00:57.250 --> 02:00:59.906
Myra sug.
coreless wood.

02:00:59.906 --> 02:01:01.906
Robert healey.

02:01:03.344 --> 02:01:05.344
Brett walters.

02:01:07.160 --> 02:01:10.160
Christine copido.
Nicholas johnson.

02:01:14.156 --> 02:01:16.156
Larry toller.

02:01:18.969 --> 02:01:21.531
joel meyer.
Norrine meyer.

02:01:22.875 --> 02:01:24.875
John shelton.

02:01:25.141 --> 02:01:27.141
El allison.

02:01:34.188 --> 02:01:36.188
Looser harrison.

02:01:36.844 --> 02:01:38.844
Debra leukin.

02:01:40.594 --> 02:01:42.719
olivia singleton.
Joshua allen.

02:01:44.156 --> 02:01:46.156
O'dell collins.

02:01:47.266 --> 02:01:49.359
I saw patrick's name in there as
a proponent.

02:01:49.531 --> 02:01:52.469
Is patrick here?
Do you want to speak?

02:01:53.297 --> 02:01:55.438
If you want to speak, go ahead
and speak before the opponents

02:01:55.438 --> 02:01:57.438
start.

02:02:01.312 --> 02:02:03.312
take your two minutes.

02:02:04.438 --> 02:02:06.438
[

02:10:05.906 --> 02:10:07.906
[Captions will resume shortly].

02:10:08.281 --> 02:10:10.281
>> I think part of the progress

02:10:10.781 --> 02:10:12.156
has to deal with how our city
looks.

02:10:12.984 --> 02:10:14.984
This includes billboards.

02:10:15.160 --> 02:10:17.160
I'm adamantly opposed to any

02:10:17.797 --> 02:10:19.797
change to the current ordinance.

02:10:21.234 --> 02:10:23.940
i ask you to oppose this
proposed amendment.

02:10:23.469 --> 02:10:25.469
Thank you.

02:10:25.500 --> 02:10:27.500
Tom harris.

02:10:29.500 --> 02:10:31.500
Bob novak, [Inaudible] Pine,

02:10:32.812 --> 02:10:34.812
susan wikowski.

02:10:35.875 --> 02:10:37.875
>> good evening, Mr. Mayor, city

02:10:38.172 --> 02:10:40.172
council, I'm tom harris.

02:10:40.875 --> 02:10:43.422
I'm here as a plain old retiree
citizen that lives in the far

02:10:44.891 --> 02:10:47.470
end of the western most end of
sprunt avenue.

02:10:47.547 --> 02:10:49.547
I love my house there.

02:10:51.859 --> 02:10:53.859
I overlook the fairway in the

02:10:55.922 --> 02:10:57.328
six fairway of hillendale golf
course.

02:11:01.469 --> 02:11:04.375
I look where 15501 merges with
585.
i have to contend with a bunch

02:11:04.438 --> 02:11:06.438
of bright lights.

02:11:06.938 --> 02:11:08.938
As I look out from the deck,

02:11:09.734 --> 02:11:11.734
porch or bedroom or wherever and

02:11:11.750 --> 02:11:13.750
envision fairway outdoor

02:11:14.609 --> 02:11:16.875
advertising biggest and best, I
can only see my property values

02:11:18.812 --> 02:11:20.422
going to hell in a hand basket
real fast.

02:11:21.625 --> 02:11:23.625
So I hope that as we go through

02:11:24.594 --> 02:11:27.188
life trying to achieve
enlightenment, we have reached

02:11:30.188 --> 02:11:32.188
the point where we don't think

02:11:32.562 --> 02:11:34.562
that cluttering the landscape

02:11:35.203 --> 02:11:37.406
with additional larger, brighter
billboards is an advancement for

02:11:37.938 --> 02:11:40.672
the quality of life in durham.
Thank you.

02:11:43.875 --> 02:11:45.844
>> bob novak.
Power pine.

02:11:48.160 --> 02:11:49.641
Does bob need a microphone
handed to him.

02:11:57.359 --> 02:11:59.359
>> he has it, Mr. Mayor.

02:12:00.656 --> 02:12:03.188
>> good evening, Mr. Mayor and
council.
I'm bob novak.

02:12:08.940 --> 02:12:10.940
i live at 5500 14th street drive

02:12:10.438 --> 02:12:12.438
in wood croft.

02:12:12.906 --> 02:12:14.906
I have been a member in

02:12:15.000 --> 02:12:17.406
southeastern, western and middle
durham.
48 years.

02:12:19.812 --> 02:12:21.812
And I am a yankee.

02:12:29.812 --> 02:12:31.812
i'm sorry.

02:12:33.656 --> 02:12:36.562
One concern I have is that it is
extremely dangerous to take your

02:12:37.625 --> 02:12:39.469
eyes off the road.
I don't drive anymore.

02:12:39.938 --> 02:12:41.938
I thought it was interesting to

02:12:43.406 --> 02:12:45.406
see what was next in traveling

02:12:45.734 --> 02:12:47.734
from newburn down the coast.

02:12:48.969 --> 02:12:51.734
I'm opposed due to potential
accidents.
We don't need pedroas south of

02:12:59.844 --> 02:13:01.281
the border signs like billboards
on I 85.

02:13:08.719 --> 02:13:11.719
>> [Inaudible] Pine.
>> good evening, mayor bell,

02:13:14.469 --> 02:13:16.297
ladies and gentlemen of the city
council.

02:13:16.734 --> 02:13:18.734
I'm milo pine.

02:13:19.000 --> 02:13:21.234
I reside in durham.
I'm here tonight representing

02:13:21.234 --> 02:13:23.672
the river association.
I'm the current President Of the

02:13:23.672 --> 02:13:26.672
association.
As an aside, I do own property

02:13:28.516 --> 02:13:31.109
that fronts the durham freeway,
so I'm probably working against

02:13:31.109 --> 02:13:33.547
my own personal economic
interest here because I might

02:13:34.250 --> 02:13:36.250
stand to make a lot of money if

02:13:36.781 --> 02:13:38.781
you change the ordinance.

02:13:39.470 --> 02:13:40.453
I'm here asson opponent to the
change.

02:13:43.125 --> 02:13:45.125
I want to put the interest of

02:13:46.297 --> 02:13:48.594
the community in front of my own
personal benefit.

02:13:50.797 --> 02:13:52.797
We have worked to preserve the

02:13:53.531 --> 02:13:55.531
environmental and cultural

02:13:55.703 --> 02:13:57.780
benefits of the eno river
baseon.

02:14:00.141 --> 02:14:02.141
I know you are under pressure

02:14:03.281 --> 02:14:06.188
from the attorneys and the
billboard industry.
Please reject this law.

02:14:06.641 --> 02:14:09.109
We disagree with the industry.
y think the number of billboards

02:14:09.812 --> 02:14:12.688
should be reduced over the long
run for the aesthetic appearance

02:14:12.984 --> 02:14:14.984
of the community.

02:14:15.359 --> 02:14:17.531
We see no benefit to durham and
its citizens in changing the

02:14:17.531 --> 02:14:19.531
current ordinance.

02:14:20.766 --> 02:14:23.656
The benefits for the naught for
profits are oversold.

02:14:25.500 --> 02:14:27.500
We're a not for profit and

02:14:29.109 --> 02:14:31.780
wouldn't see our advertisements
on the billboards.

02:14:32.781 --> 02:14:35.375
The proposal is totally
unreasonable and does not convey

02:14:35.969 --> 02:14:37.969
substantial benefit to durham

02:14:38.250 --> 02:14:41.470
and we should not preoccupy the
elected bodies and the staff in

02:14:41.812 --> 02:14:44.780
any attempt to craft a
compromise in an issue that

02:14:44.625 --> 02:14:46.625
shouldn't even be opened up.

02:14:46.828 --> 02:14:49.250
This is a real can of worms.
We don't need to go there.

02:14:50.922 --> 02:14:53.156
in terms of the distraction.
I told this story before.

02:14:55.656 --> 02:14:58.156
I passed through atlanta last
thanksgiving and was greeted by

02:14:59.562 --> 02:15:02.172
an enormous digital george
lopez.
You couldn't take your eyes off

02:15:02.234 --> 02:15:04.234
of him.

02:15:04.844 --> 02:15:06.844
It is stated they're brighter

02:15:07.109 --> 02:15:09.109
than daylight, it is a distract

02:15:09.312 --> 02:15:11.312
to the driving public.

02:15:12.844 --> 02:15:15.188
we think to allow that is not
exercising common sense.

02:15:15.516 --> 02:15:17.516
[Beep] Don't tinker with the

02:15:17.812 --> 02:15:19.812
current sign ordinance.

02:15:23.219 --> 02:15:25.219
>> susan wataskoki.

02:15:26.297 --> 02:15:29.297
>> I am a resident.
I spend four or five days a

02:15:29.594 --> 02:15:31.594
month in cleveland.

02:15:31.734 --> 02:15:34.531
so I do get the enjoy the
programs on electronic
billboards there.

02:15:35.531 --> 02:15:37.562
I personally do find them
distracting, particularly the

02:15:38.234 --> 02:15:40.234
moment when they are changing.

02:15:41.609 --> 02:15:43.609
When they are transitioning.

02:15:45.250 --> 02:15:47.141
And have found myself in some
embarrassing situations for

02:15:47.906 --> 02:15:49.906
myself, where I had to call my

02:15:50.470 --> 02:15:52.984
own attention back to driving.
i will agree with one thing that

02:15:55.594 --> 02:15:57.594
was said by one of the proponent

02:15:57.656 --> 02:16:00.125
proponents who said we should
not talk on cell phones when

02:16:00.125 --> 02:16:02.656
we're driving.
We should not talk on cell

02:16:05.391 --> 02:16:06.859
phones and we should not watch
television.

02:16:08.641 --> 02:16:10.641
The electronic billboards will

02:16:10.969 --> 02:16:13.844
become another mass of clutter,
moving clutter, which we'll

02:16:14.812 --> 02:16:17.781
either be distracted by to the
detriment of our safety or which

02:16:19.578 --> 02:16:21.812
we will simply train ourselves
to ignore and that won't benefit

02:16:21.812 --> 02:16:23.812
sales either.

02:16:36.156 --> 02:16:38.359
thank you.
>> david shet.

02:16:42.969 --> 02:16:45.203
>> I'm actually david shite.
I'm from old north durham.

02:16:46.109 --> 02:16:48.438
I would like to reiterate about
quality of life in durham.

02:16:49.641 --> 02:16:51.172
We have a unique, beautiful city
here.

02:17:01.422 --> 02:17:03.422
it is green and natural.

02:17:03.719 --> 02:17:06.125
I like it that way.
I think electronic billboards

02:17:06.125 --> 02:17:08.125
are ugly.

02:17:08.500 --> 02:17:10.953
We have a progressive city.
What is a progressive city?

02:17:12.531 --> 02:17:14.531
That is one that resists the

02:17:14.906 --> 02:17:17.531
urge to slide into crass
commercialization and

02:17:20.703 --> 02:17:23.000
materialism and honor the idol
of consumerism.

02:17:23.500 --> 02:17:25.500
I think we should be proud of

02:17:25.812 --> 02:17:28.172
our unique position that we are
independent city, we make up our

02:17:29.453 --> 02:17:30.844
own minds about what is
beautiful.

02:17:33.281 --> 02:17:35.781
So I hope that we continue to be
people friendly.

02:17:37.719 --> 02:17:39.719
I hope that you honor our

02:17:40.688 --> 02:17:42.125
historical attention to our
appearance.

02:17:43.940 --> 02:17:45.940
We spent millions of dollars on,
I understand.

02:17:46.125 --> 02:17:49.125
Please don't let us just look
like everybody else.

02:17:55.344 --> 02:17:57.344
thank you.

02:17:58.438 --> 02:18:00.160
>> barney goldslat.
>> thank you.

02:18:01.160 --> 02:18:02.875
I just got to say, I love
durham.

02:18:03.109 --> 02:18:05.578
I love it.
The bull city.

02:18:06.188 --> 02:18:08.453
When this many people show up
for the billboard ordinance.

02:18:08.547 --> 02:18:10.547
I was shocked.

02:18:10.688 --> 02:18:12.688
Because durham is doing amazing
things.
I knew that.

02:18:13.940 --> 02:18:14.953
I saw the passion you have.
It is amazing.

02:18:16.940 --> 02:18:18.953
i warm my heart, I want to write
a check to the organizations an

02:18:19.234 --> 02:18:21.234
help them advertise.

02:18:21.562 --> 02:18:24.469
It seems there is a need there.
Budgets are tight, people are
hurting.

02:18:24.766 --> 02:18:27.328
It is great to see people
working.
That is awesome.

02:18:31.203 --> 02:18:33.203
My concern is that I live in

02:18:33.641 --> 02:18:36.484
watson dale, I have two
children, one in kindergarten,

02:18:37.470 --> 02:18:39.470
one in 1st grade.

02:18:47.219 --> 02:18:49.219
At poe, go poe.

02:18:49.766 --> 02:18:52.531
My son is just learning to read.
Two summers ago we drove from

02:18:54.359 --> 02:18:56.359
here to cleveland, ohio.

02:18:56.625 --> 02:18:58.625
We went on 40 and headed up.

02:18:59.000 --> 02:19:01.328
we got through beautiful north
carolina.
Tar heel state.

02:19:04.438 --> 02:19:06.438
See the regular billboards.

02:19:06.609 --> 02:19:08.609
If fairway was saying we're

02:19:08.750 --> 02:19:10.750
going to advertise only what we

02:19:13.109 --> 02:19:15.453
heard tonight, it is a
no-brainer, clutter or not, that

02:19:15.719 --> 02:19:17.656
is awesome.
Unfortunately, the only thing

02:19:19.470 --> 02:19:21.391
that sticks in my head in west
virginia is devil's den, and

02:19:21.391 --> 02:19:23.391
pornography.

02:19:23.797 --> 02:19:25.797
It is not right, it is sinful to

02:19:26.156 --> 02:19:28.359
take from one hand from the
devil and say you are doing

02:19:28.359 --> 02:19:31.266
something good.
That is what my grand father
taught me.

02:19:31.828 --> 02:19:33.828
My son now reads.

02:19:33.906 --> 02:19:35.906
I don't like it I have to watch

02:19:36.578 --> 02:19:38.578
football games with him and when

02:19:42.969 --> 02:19:44.375
the commercials come on it is
alcohol.

02:19:46.844 --> 02:19:48.844
Already I have to turn off tv

02:19:49.812 --> 02:19:52.219
and censor the books.
My children, they're not going

02:19:52.922 --> 02:19:55.250
to just see great things.
I don't want to have to drive

02:19:56.359 --> 02:19:58.359
down the highway and see the

02:19:58.500 --> 02:20:00.500
devil's den, see cigarettes, see

02:20:02.203 --> 02:20:04.203
his sports heroes, you know,

02:20:06.703 --> 02:20:08.562
smoking cigarettes, budweiser.
[Beep].
>> thank you.

02:20:09.703 --> 02:20:11.703
>> seth widel.

02:20:14.672 --> 02:20:16.906
>> good evening, my name is seth
widal.
I thank you for the opportunity

02:20:16.906 --> 02:20:18.906
to speak here.

02:20:18.938 --> 02:20:21.484
I had the opportunity to drive
to winston-salem.

02:20:22.656 --> 02:20:25.484
I took a note, the partner I was
driving with took notes for me

02:20:26.516 --> 02:20:28.516
of what -- yeah.

02:20:29.781 --> 02:20:31.625
I wasn't taking notes, trust me.
Oh, well.

02:20:32.953 --> 02:20:35.797
Of what we saw as we passed by.
It seemed to be important on

02:20:36.562 --> 02:20:38.500
what was actually on the
billboards, especially the

02:20:39.328 --> 02:20:41.328
electronic ones as we passed

02:20:41.438 --> 02:20:43.000
rather than what might be on
them.

02:20:44.562 --> 02:20:46.562
What we saw them on was strip

02:20:47.406 --> 02:20:49.406
clubs, fast food, fireworks, lap

02:20:49.812 --> 02:20:51.812
dances, cheap driving for outlet

02:20:52.109 --> 02:20:54.484
stores, gas stations and not a
single public service

02:20:54.484 --> 02:20:56.484
announcement of any kind.

02:20:57.547 --> 02:20:59.719
It seemed odd to me, all of the
advertisements were telling you

02:21:00.359 --> 02:21:02.359
to go past where you were.

02:21:02.516 --> 02:21:04.516
If we allowed them for durham,

02:21:04.922 --> 02:21:07.328
they would be telling people to
go to raleigh?

02:21:11.203 --> 02:21:13.203
That seems like an

02:21:15.620 --> 02:21:17.620
extraordinarily bad idea.

02:21:17.406 --> 02:21:19.406
I think too many think raleigh

02:21:19.500 --> 02:21:21.500
and durham are the same place.

02:21:21.969 --> 02:21:24.547
when we were coming back, it was
more peaceful into durham.

02:21:26.406 --> 02:21:29.375
The split where they redivide
coming upon.

02:21:31.453 --> 02:21:33.344
You head toward durham instead
of chapel hill.

02:21:34.453 --> 02:21:36.453
It was easier, more comfortable

02:21:36.484 --> 02:21:39.940
on the eyes because it was just
green and pretty.

02:21:40.620 --> 02:21:42.620
We stand out more not by having

02:21:42.594 --> 02:21:45.310
the same blaring sign but by
standing out by being different.

02:21:45.859 --> 02:21:47.234
That is what makes durham
better.

02:21:48.266 --> 02:21:50.797
If everyone is going to do x, it
seems like the thing you should

02:21:53.906 --> 02:21:55.812
not do is just follow along.
Just be different.

02:21:56.812 --> 02:21:59.703
I hope that is what durham will
do.
Thank you.

02:22:00.672 --> 02:22:02.672
Good night.

02:22:02.812 --> 02:22:04.953
>> good morning.
>> thank you, mayor bell,

02:22:05.188 --> 02:22:07.188
members of the council.

02:22:12.953 --> 02:22:14.953
My name is marty gold slag.

02:22:16.620 --> 02:22:17.828
My home is about 2.5 blocks
north of 285.

02:22:18.125 --> 02:22:21.000
I listen to the traffic.
When the leaves are off the

02:22:21.938 --> 02:22:24.141
trees, I see the trucks driving
by from the porch, the living

02:22:26.266 --> 02:22:28.266
room, the bedroom.

02:22:29.780 --> 02:22:31.780
I know that if there are digital

02:22:31.641 --> 02:22:34.578
signs on I-85, they will light
up my house.
I don't want that.

02:22:37.188 --> 02:22:38.641
I'm totally opposed to digital
billboards.

02:22:39.844 --> 02:22:41.844
I think they are distractions.

02:22:43.484 --> 02:22:46.453
i know there are many other
people ina people in

02:22:46.453 --> 02:22:48.453
neighborhood other others in

02:22:48.688 --> 02:22:50.688
durham that border the highway,

02:22:51.125 --> 02:22:53.125
freeway, duke street, rocks

02:22:57.000 --> 02:22:59.406
borrow, major inteacher -- 
interchanges where there will be

02:22:59.969 --> 02:23:01.969
digital billboards lighting up

02:23:02.844 --> 02:23:04.672
their home, and we don't want
that.
Thank you.

02:23:06.812 --> 02:23:08.812
>> bill anderson, tom miller,

02:23:10.609 --> 02:23:12.719
natalie spring, david ball.
Morris sug.

02:23:16.219 --> 02:23:19.160
>> I'm dean kanite.
I'm a 20-year resident of
durham.

02:23:20.922 --> 02:23:22.922
I represent no one other than

02:23:23.828 --> 02:23:25.828
myself and maybe every other

02:23:25.969 --> 02:23:28.391
duke drop out from grad school
they know.

02:23:29.125 --> 02:23:31.969
Two weeks ago, I drove to
atlanta on business.

02:23:33.406 --> 02:23:35.641
It is a rare occasion where I
literally feel like I go to

02:23:38.109 --> 02:23:40.109
hell, which is atlanta, but -- 

02:23:42.780 --> 02:23:44.780
the previous proponents, it

02:23:44.344 --> 02:23:46.781
seems that the outdoor
advertising industry should get

02:23:48.844 --> 02:23:50.844
a nobel prize for fighting

02:23:51.156 --> 02:23:53.156
crime, finding children and

02:23:56.453 --> 02:23:58.453
keeping every nonprofit afloat.

02:24:01.562 --> 02:24:03.156
Almats county is the unregulated
advertising you get.

02:24:07.875 --> 02:24:10.469
i can't tell you one rape crisis
center or home little shelter.

02:24:14.750 --> 02:24:16.172
I can tell you what chevy is and
pawnshop.

02:24:18.344 --> 02:24:20.375
I don't need to tell where every
bojangles is.

02:24:21.453 --> 02:24:23.453
You can tell from my physique

02:24:24.156 --> 02:24:26.859
that I have a problem with that.
I don't think changing the rules

02:24:28.940 --> 02:24:30.940
will enhance my quality of life.

02:24:30.297 --> 02:24:32.297
That is the feeling of most I

02:24:32.453 --> 02:24:35.359
know speak of.
It is either indifference or
speaking against it.

02:24:36.891 --> 02:24:38.891
I appreciate your time.

02:24:39.234 --> 02:24:41.234
>> bill anderson.

02:24:42.344 --> 02:24:44.469
Tom miller.
>> good evening.

02:24:45.000 --> 02:24:47.781
I'm bill anderson.
I appreciate the opportunity to

02:24:48.781 --> 02:24:50.781
address you on behalf of the

02:24:52.312 --> 02:24:55.281
members of pac 2 the largest
members against crime group.

02:24:56.422 --> 02:24:58.422
I'm here to make sure you know

02:24:59.359 --> 02:25:00.719
there has been no endorsement
made.

02:25:05.219 --> 02:25:07.766
It May seem unnatural for worthy
organizations like ours to make

02:25:08.562 --> 02:25:10.625
sure no endorsement is given.
Unfortunately, that seems to be

02:25:10.938 --> 02:25:13.531
a necessary evil tonight.
I heard a great deal about the

02:25:15.620 --> 02:25:17.469
crime fighting abilities of the
electronic billboards.

02:25:18.641 --> 02:25:21.344
Yet with all the communications
you have received, that by the

02:25:21.734 --> 02:25:23.734
way is not unusual.

02:25:23.812 --> 02:25:25.812
Is what makes the city unusual.

02:25:25.906 --> 02:25:28.516
The unusual ability to
communicate with the elected
body.

02:25:29.922 --> 02:25:32.922
i have not been able to find in
my research or have I heard

02:25:33.594 --> 02:25:35.594
touted a single example of how

02:25:35.953 --> 02:25:38.531
these electronic billboards have
solved a single crime.

02:25:39.359 --> 02:25:41.359
I can assure you if I was trying

02:25:41.688 --> 02:25:44.359
to make the opposite point, I
would have cited it.

02:25:44.797 --> 02:25:47.438
I think the folks who are
getting the messages are driving

02:25:47.438 --> 02:25:49.438
by our city.

02:25:50.672 --> 02:25:52.672
our city enjoys the unique

02:25:53.141 --> 02:25:55.141
ability to our 911 operators to

02:25:55.609 --> 02:25:58.172
reach an estimating 70,000
active durhamites who are here

02:25:59.750 --> 02:26:02.312
in the city and not driving by.
I think that crime-fighting

02:26:04.219 --> 02:26:06.250
ability is something we should
potentially consider.

02:26:06.859 --> 02:26:09.516
I also think that the economic
impact of our visitors, and i

02:26:10.656 --> 02:26:12.922
think durham is enjoying a great
many out of town visitors

02:26:12.922 --> 02:26:15.531
tonight.
It is something you can look

02:26:16.620 --> 02:26:18.203
forward to again if you stay the
course and maintain our current

02:26:18.203 --> 02:26:20.891
ordinance.
If you change our ordinance, you

02:26:21.906 --> 02:26:23.906
will mess up that opportunity to

02:26:26.203 --> 02:26:28.578
get all these visitors'
business.

02:26:29.641 --> 02:26:32.172
Thank you very much.
[Laughter].
>> tom miller continue.

02:26:33.141 --> 02:26:35.141
>> mayor bell, members of the

02:26:35.484 --> 02:26:37.484
council, my name is tom miller.

02:26:39.281 --> 02:26:41.750
I address you tonight as
President Of the

02:26:42.688 --> 02:26:44.953
interneighborhood council.
The billboard industry appeared

02:26:47.766 --> 02:26:50.234
in front of the jccpc and asked
them at the front end of the

02:26:50.797 --> 02:26:52.797
ordinance changing process to

02:26:53.797 --> 02:26:55.797
consider this modification of

02:26:56.359 --> 02:26:58.797
durham's strict billboard rules.
The response was go to community

02:26:59.766 --> 02:27:02.500
organizations and they named the
interneighborhood council of
durham by name.

02:27:03.641 --> 02:27:06.578
They named by organization by
name.
And the billboard industry came

02:27:06.781 --> 02:27:09.547
to them.
We gave them a fair hearing.

02:27:09.844 --> 02:27:11.688
Gave them a whole meeting to
make their case.

02:27:13.109 --> 02:27:15.688
at the next meeting, another
month later, we gave the

02:27:17.156 --> 02:27:18.516
opponents a chance to make their
case.

02:27:19.922 --> 02:27:22.719
Then we had two months of lively
debate, because that is our

02:27:23.000 --> 02:27:25.620
procedure, because we're an
organization of organizations,

02:27:26.969 --> 02:27:29.734
the delegates that our member
neighborhoods send us have to go

02:27:31.310 --> 02:27:33.141
back, discuss it at home, get a
resolution from their

02:27:33.266 --> 02:27:35.766
neighborhoods and then come back
on the final resolution.

02:27:36.641 --> 02:27:39.281
And that is what happened.
So since that time, we have been

02:27:40.438 --> 02:27:42.438
one of the most outspoken

02:27:43.953 --> 02:27:46.516
opponents of this change.
In two minutes or less than a

02:27:47.844 --> 02:27:50.281
minute, I can't go over all the
reason.
You have heard them.

02:27:51.625 --> 02:27:54.188
Your staff told them to you.
There is good reasons.

02:27:54.891 --> 02:27:57.625
there is nothing in this for
durham.
Mr. Mayor, city council, good

02:27:58.188 --> 02:28:01.188
things are happening in durham,
but this isn't one of them.

02:28:01.469 --> 02:28:03.469
Durham is changing.

02:28:04.125 --> 02:28:06.125
A new durham on the way.

02:28:06.172 --> 02:28:09.141
A renewed city center, all of
these things.

02:28:09.438 --> 02:28:11.234
The billboard industry wants in
on that.

02:28:14.250 --> 02:28:16.250
like the little foxes in

02:28:16.406 --> 02:28:18.406
solomon's day, they want to eat

02:28:20.160 --> 02:28:21.453
the grapes and spoil the
vineyard.

02:28:22.125 --> 02:28:25.125
You can't move forward by going
back to 1984.
Vote against it.

02:28:28.359 --> 02:28:30.359
>> natalie spring, david ball,

02:28:32.594 --> 02:28:35.297
myra sugs, dakota wood.
Robert healey.

02:28:36.531 --> 02:28:38.531
>> hi, I'm natalie spring.

02:28:39.562 --> 02:28:41.562
I live at 406 oakwood avenue,

02:28:41.906 --> 02:28:44.672
four blocks from downtown.
I'm wanted to talk to you

02:28:45.406 --> 02:28:47.406
tonight, when I moved to durham

02:28:47.469 --> 02:28:49.469
eight years ago, I was fortunate

02:28:53.219 --> 02:28:55.219
that I was stumbling drunk from

02:28:56.109 --> 02:28:58.391
caesars palace.
One of the thing we're talking

02:29:02.156 --> 02:29:04.156
about is off-premise signs.

02:29:04.484 --> 02:29:06.484
Can you imagine the animated

02:29:08.000 --> 02:29:09.859
signs caesars palace can put up
on 147.

02:29:10.469 --> 02:29:12.469
People have talked about how the

02:29:13.328 --> 02:29:15.531
billboard can bes used for amber
and silver alerts.

02:29:18.906 --> 02:29:20.906
as a mother, I know my child is

02:29:21.641 --> 02:29:23.641
statistically less likely to be

02:29:27.453 --> 02:29:29.953
abducted to see if we can stop
at bedtime stories and find out

02:29:30.484 --> 02:29:33.780
why it is so great.
There is a sign right there.

02:29:34.359 --> 02:29:36.156
It is not a good idea to change
the ordinance.

02:29:36.516 --> 02:29:38.516
Our neighborhoods don't want it.

02:29:38.859 --> 02:29:40.188
it will cost us money and staff
time.

02:29:41.620 --> 02:29:43.922
Our staff said it is bad.
I'm asking you to not mess with

02:29:44.297 --> 02:29:46.297
the good thing and support our

02:29:48.620 --> 02:29:49.938
current nan
ordinance.
>> thank you.

02:29:55.781 --> 02:29:57.844
>> david ball, myra sug.
Brett, christine.

02:29:58.470 --> 02:30:00.470
>> I'm david ball.

02:30:00.609 --> 02:30:01.953
I have been in durham about 25
years.

02:30:03.250 --> 02:30:05.422
For all the 25 years have used
its highways frequently.

02:30:05.922 --> 02:30:07.922
I want to cut to the chase,

02:30:08.156 --> 02:30:09.859
which is uncharacteristic for
me.

02:30:11.156 --> 02:30:13.156
The whole purpose of these

02:30:13.688 --> 02:30:15.688
signs, mike shakes his head

02:30:16.000 --> 02:30:17.766
yes -- that I'm
uncharacteristically cutting to

02:30:18.797 --> 02:30:20.797
the point -- the whole purpose

02:30:22.797 --> 02:30:25.797
of these signs is to attract the
eye.
Unfortunately the eye is not

02:30:26.203 --> 02:30:28.203
being attracted where the

02:30:29.578 --> 02:30:31.578
driver's eye is supposed to be.

02:30:34.141 --> 02:30:36.953
We know, scientifically what
attracts the eye is bright

02:30:37.781 --> 02:30:40.625
lights, rapid change and
movement, which are the hall

02:30:44.422 --> 02:30:46.422
marts -- hallmarks of the sign

02:30:46.562 --> 02:30:48.562
even without animation.

02:30:48.953 --> 02:30:50.953
They drag the eye.

02:30:51.391 --> 02:30:53.391
Wait until the first message

02:30:54.203 --> 02:30:57.940
that tells kids to go to such
and such dot-com to get whatever

02:30:58.500 --> 02:31:00.906
they want and they do it while
driving.
the state highway department has

02:31:02.109 --> 02:31:05.780
seen fit to discontinue the
messages on the amber alerts

02:31:05.172 --> 02:31:07.984
because they have found that
they are dangerous.

02:31:09.160 --> 02:31:11.688
Drive the freeways you'll see.
I'm not sure I agree with that.

02:31:13.625 --> 02:31:15.625
If something as modest as a few

02:31:16.160 --> 02:31:18.160
words overhead is distracting,

02:31:18.859 --> 02:31:20.859
multiply that by all the

02:31:21.156 --> 02:31:22.531
eye-attracting stuff going on
here.

02:31:29.797 --> 02:31:31.797
The ultimate way to distract

02:31:32.203 --> 02:31:34.203
drivers is to give a sign about

02:31:35.266 --> 02:31:37.266
the crime that is committed.

02:31:38.547 --> 02:31:40.438
The eyes will be distracted from
the road.

02:31:43.516 --> 02:31:46.470
i applaud it can help find the
elderly and stop people from

02:31:46.656 --> 02:31:48.656
getting lost, find the kids,

02:31:48.688 --> 02:31:50.688
there are other ways to do it.

02:31:51.160 --> 02:31:53.160
You don't trade-off highway

02:31:53.188 --> 02:31:55.656
safety where trativityically
we're all in danger every time

02:31:56.219 --> 02:31:57.656
we're on the road for the other
benefits.

02:31:59.940 --> 02:32:01.940
I think we have an menace on our

02:32:01.625 --> 02:32:04.172
hands here, aside from the other
problems with it.

02:32:06.469 --> 02:32:07.875
And beep.
[Beep].

02:32:09.172 --> 02:32:11.172
>> myra sugs.

02:32:11.672 --> 02:32:13.438
Coreless wood.
Rob healey.

02:32:17.688 --> 02:32:19.281
Brett walters, christine
kacpido.

02:32:20.312 --> 02:32:22.391
Nicholas johnson, larry toller.
In that order.

02:32:25.250 --> 02:32:27.250
>> good evening.

02:32:27.828 --> 02:32:29.828
My name is mire sug.

02:32:30.328 --> 02:32:32.328
I live at 4808 james street.

02:32:32.859 --> 02:32:34.859
I'm a current at large member of

02:32:35.234 --> 02:32:37.234
the tuscaloosa neighborhood

02:32:37.766 --> 02:32:39.828
association and I speak on their
behalf this evening.

02:32:40.641 --> 02:32:43.500
We follow these discussions in
our neighborhood and have some

02:32:43.609 --> 02:32:45.609
of our own.

02:32:45.906 --> 02:32:48.344
After careful consideration we
concluded our neighborhood is

02:32:50.109 --> 02:32:52.109
best served by maintaining the

02:32:52.609 --> 02:32:54.609
current billboard regulations.

02:32:55.578 --> 02:32:58.547
Our neighbor has as many as you
all know, special zoning that

02:33:00.719 --> 02:33:02.719
protects us primarily on our

02:33:06.766 --> 02:33:08.766
appearance through the mdo.

02:33:09.359 --> 02:33:12.000
There is a compelling reason we
pursued this.

02:33:12.797 --> 02:33:15.310
Our appearance was worth
preserving -- protecting, excuse

02:33:15.310 --> 02:33:17.766
me.
Adding bright and blinking

02:33:19.578 --> 02:33:21.578
billboards to the streets of

02:33:22.875 --> 02:33:24.875
durham would work against that

02:33:26.141 --> 02:33:28.141
valued asset our appearance by

02:33:28.422 --> 02:33:30.422
degrading what we so -- try so
hard to protect.

02:33:31.312 --> 02:33:33.312
We're swayed by those that argue

02:33:33.828 --> 02:33:35.828
by letting one billboard company

02:33:36.391 --> 02:33:38.984
change our regulations would
expose the city to years of

02:33:39.953 --> 02:33:41.953
legal fees.

02:33:42.297 --> 02:33:45.000
Financial considerations are of
the utmost importance in this

02:33:46.328 --> 02:33:48.328
time of budget cuts and we beg

02:33:49.609 --> 02:33:51.109
for better uses of our tax
dollars.

02:33:53.875 --> 02:33:56.547
We urge you to vote that we
retain our current billboard

02:33:57.281 --> 02:33:59.375
regulations and oppose this text
amendment change.

02:33:59.641 --> 02:34:01.641
Thank you.

02:34:02.188 --> 02:34:04.188
>> you're welcome.

02:34:06.312 --> 02:34:08.750
coreless wood.
>> I'm coreless wood.

02:34:12.620 --> 02:34:14.620
I live at 2213 tampa avenue in

02:34:15.188 --> 02:34:16.703
the rocks offilen dale
neighborhood.

02:34:17.703 --> 02:34:19.703
See my t-shirt?

02:34:25.141 --> 02:34:27.203
It says this is planned
for

02:34:27.203 --> 02:34:29.234
houses.
I neighborhood is a home.

02:34:31.516 --> 02:34:33.516
I have had a home in the watts

02:34:36.219 --> 02:34:38.219
hospital hillandale neighborhood

02:34:38.281 --> 02:34:40.281
41 years.

02:34:41.953 --> 02:34:43.953
I'd like to say, bless be the

02:34:44.891 --> 02:34:46.328
lord God that made heaven and
earth.

02:34:49.469 --> 02:34:51.469
i don't care who your God is, be

02:34:53.906 --> 02:34:55.438
he muslim, christian, jewish
whoever.

02:34:56.531 --> 02:34:58.531
A God made heaven and earth.

02:34:59.109 --> 02:35:01.109
And guess what else?

02:35:03.109 --> 02:35:05.641
It's not nice to fool mother
nature.

02:35:07.250 --> 02:35:09.250
yes, the hideous blinking neon

02:35:11.109 --> 02:35:13.109
lights to me signify another

02:35:15.922 --> 02:35:17.922
assault on the environment.

02:35:18.922 --> 02:35:20.922
Yes, I have lived in the

02:35:21.940 --> 02:35:23.940
neighborhood for 41 years.

02:35:24.891 --> 02:35:27.859
The beauty along I-85, just the
bordering greenery, the trees of

02:35:31.469 --> 02:35:33.469
the hillandale golf course, that

02:35:34.578 --> 02:35:36.578
border I-85, we don't want the

02:35:36.734 --> 02:35:38.734
blinking lights.

02:35:40.812 --> 02:35:42.812
I have learned that the

02:35:43.953 --> 02:35:45.953
billboard neon company has been

02:35:46.250 --> 02:35:48.250
lobbying the mayor and other

02:35:49.219 --> 02:35:51.219
council members, that they will

02:35:52.750 --> 02:35:54.750
provide gifts and monies and

02:35:55.328 --> 02:35:57.328
they'll provide the funds since

02:35:58.310 --> 02:36:00.310
we're in difficult economic

02:36:02.938 --> 02:36:04.938
times to hire and pay the office

02:36:06.906 --> 02:36:08.906
staff needed to administrate the

02:36:09.109 --> 02:36:11.109
neon sign program for the city

02:36:11.516 --> 02:36:14.172
of durham and that they will pay
for it [Beep].

02:36:14.172 --> 02:36:16.172
>> thank you.

02:36:17.780 --> 02:36:18.812
>> so I'm praying to God and
mother nature.

02:36:21.578 --> 02:36:24.250
>> robin healey.
>> my name is robert healey.

02:36:26.297 --> 02:36:27.688
I live at 839 sedge field
street.

02:36:29.620 --> 02:36:31.359
I'm speaking on behalf of the
new hope advisory committee.

02:36:32.969 --> 02:36:34.969
This was created 18 years ago to

02:36:35.703 --> 02:36:38.375
advice you folks in the other
jurisdictions in orange county

02:36:39.000 --> 02:36:41.000
and chapel hill on the

02:36:41.641 --> 02:36:43.875
implementation of the 1992 new
home plan.

02:36:45.781 --> 02:36:47.781
We -- new hope plan.

02:36:50.484 --> 02:36:53.422
we accomplished amazing things.
We looked at this in light of
the plan.

02:36:54.219 --> 02:36:56.656
I have been instructed by
unanimous vote of the committee

02:36:57.312 --> 02:36:59.156
to suggest you vote against this
ordinance change.

02:37:00.160 --> 02:37:02.500
Three reasons that really impact
the plan is six billboards in

02:37:02.500 --> 02:37:04.500
our area.

02:37:05.310 --> 02:37:07.734
We are concerned about the
aesthetics of the billboards,

02:37:10.969 --> 02:37:12.969
especially the one on 15501 that

02:37:13.266 --> 02:37:15.297
really blocks the entrance to
sandy creek park.

02:37:16.000 --> 02:37:19.000
And also one of the first
organizations to be concerned

02:37:20.406 --> 02:37:22.406
about light pollution, which is

02:37:22.516 --> 02:37:25.160
something that has been
incorporated into durham

02:37:25.160 --> 02:37:27.160
ordinances over time.

02:37:27.719 --> 02:37:30.484
And we think this violates the
light pollution rule that we

02:37:32.422 --> 02:37:34.422
followed for a long time n.

02:37:38.500 --> 02:37:40.500
Finally, we think the billboards

02:37:42.125 --> 02:37:44.531
if electrified will further
erode this area between durham

02:37:46.141 --> 02:37:48.141
and challel hit, something we

02:37:48.203 --> 02:37:50.938
tried hard to keep open using
the new hope corridor.

02:37:52.344 --> 02:37:54.516
i speak on behalf of the
unanimous vote of the committee.

02:37:55.438 --> 02:37:58.250
I hope that you will oppose this
ordinance change.

02:38:02.250 --> 02:38:05.160
Thank you.
>> you're welcome.
Brett walters.

02:38:06.750 --> 02:38:09.359
>> good evening, mayor bell,
members of city council.

02:38:09.828 --> 02:38:12.391
I am brett walters.
I was born in durham.

02:38:13.266 --> 02:38:16.266
i'm a board member of the old
west durham neighborhood
association and the neighborhood

02:38:16.562 --> 02:38:18.234
delegate for the
interneighborhood council.

02:38:18.969 --> 02:38:21.500
I would like to remind you as
tom did earlier that the

02:38:21.500 --> 02:38:23.500
interneighborhood council

02:38:23.531 --> 02:38:25.312
weighed the issues for the
proposed text change.

02:38:25.734 --> 02:38:27.734
We went back to our

02:38:31.453 --> 02:38:33.906
neighborhoods and decided to not
support the billboard cause
here.

02:38:34.422 --> 02:38:36.422
what I would like to speak is

02:38:36.578 --> 02:38:38.578
the issues of the economic

02:38:39.940 --> 02:38:41.125
benefit of electronic billboards
in durham.

02:38:43.922 --> 02:38:45.922
A letter was received last week

02:38:47.688 --> 02:38:50.562
from cree, which is a great
local company.

02:38:52.234 --> 02:38:54.875
Durham has bought L.E.D. Lights
for traffic signal lights and

02:38:55.328 --> 02:38:57.328
other signal areas.

02:38:57.969 --> 02:38:59.969
If we want to concentrate on

02:39:00.672 --> 02:39:03.203
energy efficiency, there are
other public and civic

02:39:03.844 --> 02:39:05.844
initiatives to support, putting

02:39:06.281 --> 02:39:08.281
all L.E.D. Lights in schools,

02:39:09.453 --> 02:39:12.188
public buildings, providing tax
incentives for L.E.D. Lighting

02:39:13.312 --> 02:39:15.859
in new construction and
exploring L.E.D. Lights for

02:39:16.688 --> 02:39:19.688
outdoor lighting.
It would benefit outdoor

02:39:20.625 --> 02:39:22.625
lighting, possibly support cree

02:39:22.828 --> 02:39:24.828
and put money back into the
durham economy.

02:39:27.594 --> 02:39:29.000
By contrast, fairway is based in
georgia.

02:39:30.344 --> 02:39:32.406
The profits they would be
generating here would all go out

02:39:34.875 --> 02:39:36.875
of state to georgia.

02:39:37.781 --> 02:39:40.453
Overturning durham's ban on
digital billboards won't

02:39:41.453 --> 02:39:44.312
wouldn't overcome the risk and
federal law states if durham

02:39:45.656 --> 02:39:47.656
decided to remove billboards,

02:39:47.719 --> 02:39:50.688
durham would have to reimburse
the billboard company for the

02:39:51.984 --> 02:39:53.984
coast of the bill -- cost of the

02:39:55.969 --> 02:39:58.766
billboard s and any future
revenue it would create.

02:40:00.266 --> 02:40:03.266
Exactly how many jobs would the
current ban create at cree?

02:40:03.438 --> 02:40:05.438
The planning commission said it

02:40:05.875 --> 02:40:07.875
would have a minimal impact.

02:40:09.406 --> 02:40:10.781
Maybe there wouldn't be any jobs
created.

02:40:13.172 --> 02:40:15.219
We can't even assess that.
[Beep].
>> thank you.

02:40:15.219 --> 02:40:17.219
>> thank you.

02:40:17.547 --> 02:40:19.547
>> christine kapido.

02:40:20.516 --> 02:40:22.516
>> good evening, mayor.

02:40:22.781 --> 02:40:24.188
I live at 2406, angle wood
avenue.

02:40:25.922 --> 02:40:27.922
I'm a member of the watts

02:40:28.219 --> 02:40:29.688
hospital, hillandale
neighborhood.

02:40:31.000 --> 02:40:33.938
And I have been a resident of
durham for 25 years and I want

02:40:35.438 --> 02:40:37.438
to applaud the efforts that

02:40:37.641 --> 02:40:39.297
durham has made in downtown
revitalization.

02:40:40.969 --> 02:40:43.906
However, I ask you not to rein
the remainder of durham by

02:40:44.703 --> 02:40:46.172
putting up the electronic
billboards.

02:40:47.406 --> 02:40:49.406
They are ugly.

02:40:49.953 --> 02:40:51.953
They are hazardous for driving,

02:40:52.312 --> 02:40:54.812
as you have heard.
They're not green.

02:40:55.625 --> 02:40:57.625
Being a progressive city means

02:40:58.828 --> 02:41:00.828
we need to look for sustainable

02:41:02.891 --> 02:41:04.891
energy sources and not waste

02:41:06.234 --> 02:41:07.656
electricity powering the mammoth
billboards.

02:41:09.297 --> 02:41:10.797
They will decrease property
values.

02:41:11.734 --> 02:41:13.875
They're not desired near
residential neighborhoods.

02:41:14.172 --> 02:41:16.172
People do not want to be

02:41:16.969 --> 02:41:18.969
subjected to more advertising

02:41:20.984 --> 02:41:22.984
when driving.

02:41:26.547 --> 02:41:28.547
People prefer flowers and trees

02:41:30.594 --> 02:41:32.594
along the roadside.

02:41:32.797 --> 02:41:34.219
We don't want more media
stimulation.

02:41:34.984 --> 02:41:36.984
We get enough of that with TVs.

02:41:37.625 --> 02:41:39.625
One thing to consider is that

02:41:40.310 --> 02:41:43.000
you get most of your money from
property taxes.

02:41:44.328 --> 02:41:47.266
And future people wanting to
move to durham and live here and

02:41:48.578 --> 02:41:50.578
make their homes here and people

02:41:50.672 --> 02:41:53.578
aren't going to want to live in
a city filled with flashing

02:41:55.109 --> 02:41:57.109
electronic billboards.

02:42:00.160 --> 02:42:02.922
they're going to move to cary or
chapel hill instead where they

02:42:02.922 --> 02:42:04.922
don't have them.

02:42:05.160 --> 02:42:07.160
You might have a short term gain

02:42:07.453 --> 02:42:09.453
of money from the billboard, in

02:42:09.953 --> 02:42:11.766
the long-term, you sabotage your
tax base.

02:42:12.359 --> 02:42:13.797
The property values will
decrease.

02:42:14.469 --> 02:42:16.734
As they decrease, that means
less tax revenue.

02:42:18.203 --> 02:42:21.000
Plus more people won't be living
here.
what we should strive for

02:42:21.234 --> 02:42:23.234
instead is make durham one of

02:42:23.578 --> 02:42:26.344
the best places to live in the
united states.
[Beep].

02:42:29.547 --> 02:42:31.875
>> nicholas johnson.
>> good evening, mayor bell,

02:42:31.875 --> 02:42:34.250
council.
I'm going to make this brief

02:42:35.484 --> 02:42:38.219
because I'm already in trouble
with my wife for cutting date

02:42:38.391 --> 02:42:40.719
night short to be here.
i want to get out of here

02:42:40.719 --> 02:42:42.719
quickly.

02:42:42.891 --> 02:42:44.891
I have a couple of points to hit

02:42:49.906 --> 02:42:51.906
upon the reverend hilariously

02:42:52.906 --> 02:42:54.266
said we might be behind the
times.

02:42:55.703 --> 02:42:58.703
I will suggest that the durham
city council is a wise body and

02:43:00.780 --> 02:43:02.578
it was-wise and ahead of its
time long ago when it instituted

02:43:03.219 --> 02:43:05.812
the ban on billboards.
I don't think we should

02:43:06.188 --> 02:43:09.188
necessarily embrace every piece
of technology that comes along

02:43:11.953 --> 02:43:14.391
and offers to dazzle us.
I think rather we should

02:43:15.160 --> 02:43:17.922
consider how we got where we are
now, who it was that brought us

02:43:18.688 --> 02:43:21.266
here and whether we should rush
to change the direction we're

02:43:21.266 --> 02:43:23.266
currently going.

02:43:24.406 --> 02:43:26.641
i am the pac 3 representative
for the birch avenue

02:43:26.641 --> 02:43:29.109
neighborhood association.
I'm not here speaking for the

02:43:30.375 --> 02:43:33.203
association, but I will tell you
that the birch avenue
neighborhood association is one

02:43:33.734 --> 02:43:35.734
of the neighborhood association

02:43:36.906 --> 02:43:38.938
that sent a letter to ink
supporting them to stand before

02:43:40.453 --> 02:43:42.453
you to say that we supported

02:43:43.391 --> 02:43:45.922
them to keep the ordinance as it
is currently.

02:43:46.828 --> 02:43:48.828
I'm very impressed with fairway.

02:43:50.620 --> 02:43:52.859
You guys mobilized a bunch of
people to be here in support.

02:43:53.310 --> 02:43:55.310
However, everyone in this room

02:43:56.438 --> 02:43:59.000
knows that the majority of your
constituents the last proponent

02:43:59.703 --> 02:44:02.141
suggested you should not listen
to the political pressure from,

02:44:02.734 --> 02:44:05.406
i'm going to suggest that you
should listen to the political

02:44:05.469 --> 02:44:08.203
pressure from the vast majority
of the people who live in this

02:44:09.812 --> 02:44:11.812
town and don't want the

02:44:12.516 --> 02:44:14.750
ordinance changed.
That's that.

02:44:16.160 --> 02:44:18.484
Oh, we heard a lot about digital
billboard anyplace is not just

02:44:19.953 --> 02:44:22.781
about digital billboards.
Is about a change to the

02:44:23.328 --> 02:44:25.328
billboard industry as a whole,

02:44:25.531 --> 02:44:27.531
which has lasting effects agenda

02:44:28.531 --> 02:44:29.859
do we want digital billboards or
not?

02:44:30.797 --> 02:44:32.531
Do not small the issue down into
simply that.

02:44:34.141 --> 02:44:36.141
And I'm not prepared to accept

02:44:36.203 --> 02:44:38.203
something that will break even

02:44:38.766 --> 02:44:41.641
with fees and make my life
worse.
[Beep].
>> thank you.

02:44:42.547 --> 02:44:44.547
>> you're welcome.

02:44:45.470 --> 02:44:47.470
larry toller.

02:44:48.750 --> 02:44:50.109
>> mayor bell, members, larry
tollen.

02:44:54.160 --> 02:44:56.859
I live here in durham I'm a
local realtor.

02:44:57.984 --> 02:44:59.984
A chair a local precinct.

02:45:00.125 --> 02:45:02.125
It is my opinion as a real

02:45:03.266 --> 02:45:06.125
teacher with over 25 years' of
experience, as the former

02:45:08.141 --> 02:45:10.469
speaker pointed out, your
property values ultimately will

02:45:11.438 --> 02:45:13.438
go down.

02:45:15.375 --> 02:45:17.375
There is no real advantage I can

02:45:20.470 --> 02:45:22.641
figure out, I'm a pro
development person P.M. I'm

02:45:23.484 --> 02:45:26.312
veteran this will have negative
property values and the

02:45:28.219 --> 02:45:29.594
perception of the city as a
whole.

02:45:31.391 --> 02:45:33.391
Thank you.

02:45:44.797 --> 02:45:46.797
>> carla goodman.

02:45:50.312 --> 02:45:52.312
>> meyer, shelter, allison,

02:45:52.578 --> 02:45:54.578
harris,

02:45:56.484 --> 02:45:58.484
leukin, singleton,

02:46:01.859 --> 02:46:03.859
allen, collins, goodman.

02:46:05.219 --> 02:46:07.219
>> you can tear up the last one.

02:46:09.620 --> 02:46:12.620
you did find mine.
>> thank you mayor and council
members.

02:46:13.203 --> 02:46:15.172
>> well, I kind of feel like the
lorax right now.

02:46:17.328 --> 02:46:18.703
I am the lorax, I speak for the
trees.

02:46:19.500 --> 02:46:22.000
I don't know how many of you
remember Dr. Seuss's book with

02:46:23.203 --> 02:46:26.172
the sneeds, which are something
everyone needs.

02:46:27.484 --> 02:46:30.453
however, I think digital
billboards is something we most

02:46:31.719 --> 02:46:33.780
vehemently do not need here in
durham.

02:46:33.750 --> 02:46:35.750
Everybody else has spoken

02:46:36.160 --> 02:46:38.160
eloquently and intelligently.

02:46:39.250 --> 02:46:41.828
I too am very impressed by
fairway's ability to call people
out.

02:46:42.500 --> 02:46:44.922
I know you all believe strongly
in what you are doing.

02:46:46.734 --> 02:46:48.734
But so do we.

02:46:49.906 --> 02:46:51.906
i think that as the arc of

02:46:53.641 --> 02:46:55.641
history going toward goodness

02:46:55.938 --> 02:46:57.938
and the ecology and the

02:46:58.438 --> 02:47:00.438
environment and towards all good

02:47:01.470 --> 02:47:03.470
things for all people, and I

02:47:03.312 --> 02:47:05.312
feel very sorry for people that

02:47:08.422 --> 02:47:10.391
have to make a living doing
advertising in this climate.

02:47:10.812 --> 02:47:12.812
It is hard for all of you.

02:47:18.125 --> 02:47:20.594
A hope a compassionate city
council and populous, and a

02:47:20.594 --> 02:47:22.594
planning group, thank you for

02:47:23.620 --> 02:47:25.620
the earlier report, will

02:47:25.234 --> 02:47:27.234
understand that this whole

02:47:27.797 --> 02:47:29.797
billboard

02:47:30.470 --> 02:47:32.470
billboard text proposal, I

02:47:32.281 --> 02:47:34.750
forget what you call it.
It is not just about digital

02:47:34.750 --> 02:47:36.750
billboards.

02:47:39.250 --> 02:47:40.656
It can be attractive in short
bursts.

02:47:42.470 --> 02:47:44.547
If you have to drive all the way
in, at 1:00 in the morning,

02:47:45.250 --> 02:47:46.953
they're not good for your
driving ability.

02:47:47.453 --> 02:47:50.422
I have done that several times
so I know what I am speaking of.

02:47:52.656 --> 02:47:55.469
I hope you will vote to keep
durham's billboard ordinance the

02:47:56.766 --> 02:47:59.438
way it is and not make changes
to it.
I don't think it is on the arc

02:47:59.969 --> 02:48:02.875
of history that we do that.
And I do believe that 25 years

02:48:03.500 --> 02:48:05.500
ago, when I first moved here, we

02:48:06.780 --> 02:48:08.780
were in the forefront.

02:48:11.516 --> 02:48:13.516
thank you very much.

02:48:13.641 --> 02:48:15.781
>> joel meyer.
>> thank you, mayor and city

02:48:15.781 --> 02:48:17.781
council.

02:48:20.422 --> 02:48:22.422
Joel meyer, 2300 tampa avenue.

02:48:23.940 --> 02:48:25.940
I initially came here out of

02:48:26.620 --> 02:48:28.620
selfish reasons, I less than two

02:48:28.625 --> 02:48:31.620
blocks of I-85, I don't want
blinking billboards increasing

02:48:31.594 --> 02:48:34.141
the light.
This has been an interesting an

02:48:34.141 --> 02:48:36.141
educational evening.

02:48:36.609 --> 02:48:38.609
I learned a lot and heard

02:48:38.812 --> 02:48:40.203
interesting points made by
fairway.

02:48:40.875 --> 02:48:43.141
What struck me is there is
always cost and benefits and

02:48:43.141 --> 02:48:45.141
trade-offs.

02:48:45.750 --> 02:48:47.750
I think those were addressed

02:48:47.875 --> 02:48:50.750
quantitatively early on by the
first presentation by the
planning department.

02:48:52.359 --> 02:48:54.359
i think it is careful that the

02:48:54.391 --> 02:48:56.391
cost-benefit analyses were not

02:48:58.188 --> 02:49:00.310
addressed by anyone of the
proponents.

02:49:00.625 --> 02:49:03.234
I would like to hear that
addressed rather than this will

02:49:04.620 --> 02:49:06.172
reduce crime and do other
beneficial things.

02:49:07.000 --> 02:49:09.734
I think we need clear data about
whether that would be the case

02:49:11.938 --> 02:49:13.938
for me to persuade to abandon

02:49:15.234 --> 02:49:17.234
the selfish position of not

02:49:19.172 --> 02:49:21.172
wanting clingth blink -- 

02:49:23.780 --> 02:49:25.780
blinking lights near me home.

02:49:29.984 --> 02:49:31.984
Thank you.

02:49:32.453 --> 02:49:34.453
>> good evening, mayor bell.

02:49:34.859 --> 02:49:37.562
Council members, thank you for
this opportunity for all of us

02:49:42.141 --> 02:49:43.938
to think, to listen, to speak.
I'm with joel.

02:49:45.672 --> 02:49:47.672
My son, by the way, who is part

02:49:48.234 --> 02:49:50.469
of the reason I moved down here.
The other part is you're a

02:49:50.469 --> 02:49:52.812
charming city.
You really, really are.

02:49:54.406 --> 02:49:56.516
i wound up living less than two
blocks also from I-85.

02:49:57.578 --> 02:49:59.750
I was here when they put that
big wall up.

02:50:04.125 --> 02:50:06.125
Which was a wonderful addition.

02:50:07.328 --> 02:50:09.828
It terrifies me to think about
lights in my house every night

02:50:09.828 --> 02:50:12.703
in addition to everything else.
What I really want to comment
on.

02:50:13.703 --> 02:50:15.703
as I listen to the conversation

02:50:15.734 --> 02:50:17.734
tonight, it struck me that

02:50:18.406 --> 02:50:20.406
majority of the people who are

02:50:20.609 --> 02:50:23.281
speaking against this seem to be
speaking as human beings who

02:50:24.812 --> 02:50:26.812
live here as citizens.

02:50:27.750 --> 02:50:30.281
Whereas those who spoke for it
seem to be either official

02:50:31.656 --> 02:50:33.656
groups or representatives of

02:50:34.219 --> 02:50:36.750
bodies who stand to use some
cause to push it.

02:50:37.188 --> 02:50:38.891
And I thought boy, that is
really interesting.

02:50:41.562 --> 02:50:42.953
This is a fascinating democratic
process.

02:50:45.620 --> 02:50:47.562
And I guess I come down on the
side of wherever possible of

02:50:48.297 --> 02:50:51.141
keeping the beauty of the place
for the whole people, not just

02:50:52.203 --> 02:50:54.203
for the economies, not just for

02:50:54.266 --> 02:50:56.266
the businesses, and it did

02:50:56.812 --> 02:50:59.312
strike me, by the way, how
interesting it was that these

02:50:59.344 --> 02:51:02.344
billboards were going to solve
all kinds of problems for us.

02:51:03.344 --> 02:51:05.344
Good luck.

02:51:08.688 --> 02:51:10.688
Thank you.

02:51:11.547 --> 02:51:13.594
>> good evening, john shelton,
old western neighborhood

02:51:13.594 --> 02:51:15.594
association.

02:51:15.891 --> 02:51:17.891
who knows how much industry has

02:51:18.734 --> 02:51:20.734
spent on lobbyists and lawyers.

02:51:22.266 --> 02:51:24.266
I can tell you, we spent $12.60
at kinko's.

02:51:26.620 --> 02:51:28.620
That was with a discount.

02:51:28.344 --> 02:51:31.344
The billboard industry insists
that their new digital

02:51:32.406 --> 02:51:33.844
billboards are not a
distraction.

02:51:35.203 --> 02:51:37.203
If that is true, why, why are

02:51:39.109 --> 02:51:41.578
they spending so much money
trying to get them?

02:51:42.160 --> 02:51:44.422
Folks, when the billboard
industry introduced the measure,

02:51:44.656 --> 02:51:46.891
officials told them to get in
the community and make sure they

02:51:46.922 --> 02:51:48.922
had community support.

02:51:49.594 --> 02:51:52.125
They had two years to do this
and they failed.

02:51:53.000 --> 02:51:55.266
Instead, industry has done
everything they can to

02:51:55.391 --> 02:51:57.906
circumvent the community.
instead of working to improve

02:51:58.406 --> 02:52:00.406
the measure, industry spent its

02:52:00.797 --> 02:52:02.797
time on time and money on glossy

02:52:03.234 --> 02:52:05.172
reports, one-sided polls,
lobbyists saying we almost have

02:52:06.516 --> 02:52:08.516
a moral obligation to support

02:52:08.750 --> 02:52:10.906
digital billboards, campaign
contributions, getting

02:52:11.453 --> 02:52:14.281
nonprofits to pressure you,
high-priced lawyers to drag this

02:52:15.109 --> 02:52:17.109
out, billboard ads for

02:52:18.719 --> 02:52:21.156
billboards and a synthetic roots
mailing campaign prepared

02:52:22.594 --> 02:52:25.453
talking points mailed to you in
fairway advertising envelopes

02:52:27.125 --> 02:52:30.940
with raleigh postmarks.
For two years, industry has done

02:52:30.828 --> 02:52:33.234
everything except what jccpc
asked them to do.

02:52:34.375 --> 02:52:36.203
They did not and do not have the
support of the community.

02:52:39.375 --> 02:52:41.375
you have received more than

02:52:42.172 --> 02:52:44.172
1,000 e-mails supporting

02:52:44.250 --> 02:52:46.250
durham's billboard ordinance.

02:52:47.312 --> 02:52:49.312
And fewer than 10 e-mails

02:52:49.922 --> 02:52:51.984
pushing digital billboards.
Ask yourself the question.

02:52:54.470 --> 02:52:56.470
When is the last time you have

02:52:59.156 --> 02:53:01.156
received a thousand e-mails

02:53:01.531 --> 02:53:03.531
agreeing on any issue, much less

02:53:03.938 --> 02:53:06.797
a controversial issue like this.
Please do not close this public

02:53:07.328 --> 02:53:08.766
hearing and start worth
smithing.

02:53:09.734 --> 02:53:11.734
This has -- wordsmithing.

02:53:14.312 --> 02:53:17.160
This has gone on long enough.
Please don't defer and introduce

02:53:17.470 --> 02:53:19.312
last-minute changes.
Industry had the opportunity to

02:53:21.453 --> 02:53:23.453
make changes, and they did.

02:53:30.484 --> 02:53:32.359
[Beep]
[Beep].

02:53:33.219 --> 02:53:34.719
>> joshua allen and idle
collins.

02:53:37.359 --> 02:53:39.359
Those are the last person's

02:53:40.359 --> 02:53:41.766
names I have to speak on this
position.

02:53:43.310 --> 02:53:45.310
Before Dr. Allen speaks is there

02:53:45.203 --> 02:53:47.109
anyone else that wants to speak
for or against.

02:53:48.438 --> 02:53:49.781
If you do, go to the clerk's
table.

02:53:51.703 --> 02:53:54.172
Ms. Collins will be the last one
to speak unless I hear from

02:53:54.906 --> 02:53:57.141
someone else.
>> good afternoon mayor bell,

02:53:58.250 --> 02:54:00.250
members of the city council.

02:54:01.940 --> 02:54:03.984
it is nice to be on one side of
the group one night and another.

02:54:05.940 --> 02:54:06.453
I am pleased to be here tonight,
though.

02:54:08.234 --> 02:54:10.234
One thing I heard many times I

02:54:10.469 --> 02:54:12.469
would rather see a sermon than

02:54:13.328 --> 02:54:15.594
to hear one, any day.
I'm representing the durham

02:54:18.406 --> 02:54:20.406
committee, but we have not taken

02:54:21.844 --> 02:54:23.844
an official position.

02:54:26.375 --> 02:54:28.375
The constituents are not

02:54:29.109 --> 02:54:30.547
monolithic neither are albatross
monolithic.

02:54:32.470 --> 02:54:34.547
We have differences of opinions.
I am here because I want you to

02:54:35.219 --> 02:54:37.516
live up to what bill bell says.
Good things are happening in

02:54:37.516 --> 02:54:39.656
durham.
You can demonstrate that we're

02:54:41.797 --> 02:54:44.188
not like greensboro, we're not
like wade county.

02:54:46.203 --> 02:54:48.203
I traveled down to fayetteville

02:54:48.391 --> 02:54:50.391
for a convention and I'm telling

02:54:51.000 --> 02:54:53.375
you, those signs after you hit
benson, they're advertising

02:54:55.141 --> 02:54:57.969
something we don't need to
advertise.
At this point, what I'm saying

02:54:59.984 --> 02:55:01.984
is that for the first time, we

02:55:04.688 --> 02:55:06.688
have got 12 members of the

02:55:07.984 --> 02:55:09.984
planning commission, 12 members

02:55:11.484 --> 02:55:13.484
of the planning department, that

02:55:13.750 --> 02:55:15.750
is zero, 12-0.

02:55:16.766 --> 02:55:18.125
It is time for you to agree with
them.

02:55:19.188 --> 02:55:20.891
And say that this is good
things.

02:55:22.734 --> 02:55:25.940
this will be a perfect square.
Geometric.
Good things are happening in

02:55:25.940 --> 02:55:27.875
durham.
The last thing I want to say is

02:55:29.469 --> 02:55:31.469
I remember lbj, President

02:55:32.160 --> 02:55:34.281
Johnson did two things that are
etched in my mind.

02:55:36.953 --> 02:55:39.953
He signed the votings right act,
but lady birth put flowers out.

02:55:40.891 --> 02:55:42.891
As you ride down the highways

02:55:43.516 --> 02:55:46.359
and see the flowers and not
those stupid -- they did a good

02:55:46.359 --> 02:55:48.719
spin job.
They haven't documented a thing.

02:55:49.625 --> 02:55:51.891
I told my friends they haven't
brought anything to us.

02:55:52.297 --> 02:55:54.297
I'm not talking to folk before

02:55:54.734 --> 02:55:56.734
they come with the fact.

02:55:57.672 --> 02:55:59.797
Don't stand up here with the
spin.

02:55:59.797 --> 02:56:01.266
[Beep].
>> thank you.

02:56:02.844 --> 02:56:04.234
>> good things are happening.
Prove it.

02:56:05.234 --> 02:56:07.234
>> lucy harris.

02:56:07.547 --> 02:56:10.160
>> I'm lucy harris, I haven't
prepared anything to speak.

02:56:11.875 --> 02:56:14.812
I felt the need to register my
opposition to the current
billboard ordinance.

02:56:16.250 --> 02:56:18.250
I have worked as a pediatric

02:56:18.312 --> 02:56:20.312
nurse at duke hospital.

02:56:20.891 --> 02:56:22.891
Two years ago I bought a house

02:56:24.562 --> 02:56:26.562
on albany street.

02:56:27.620 --> 02:56:29.734
I knew I signed on for the
traffic noise when I bought the

02:56:30.172 --> 02:56:33.310
house, but the idea of the
flashing bright lights in my

02:56:33.734 --> 02:56:35.406
backyard makes my a little sick
to my stomach.

02:56:40.703 --> 02:56:42.703
I ask for you to please vote in

02:56:44.750 --> 02:56:46.609
favor of the current billboard
ordinance.
Thank you.

02:56:47.188 --> 02:56:49.188
>> debra luken.

02:56:49.391 --> 02:56:51.750
>> I'm the chair of the durham
environmental affairs board.

02:56:52.281 --> 02:56:54.281
I'm speaking on behalf of them.

02:56:54.422 --> 02:56:57.328
You appointed us to advice you
on environmental issues that
affect durham.

02:56:58.156 --> 02:57:01.125
You have a copy of our
resolution.
I would like to remind you that

02:57:01.859 --> 02:57:03.859
if you change the billboard

02:57:04.797 --> 02:57:07.141
ordinance, there will be adverse
environmental impacts.

02:57:08.266 --> 02:57:10.906
I have been very proud of the
city and forward-thinking acts

02:57:11.172 --> 02:57:13.500
they have taken in regards to
the environment.

02:57:13.969 --> 02:57:15.969
The greenhouse gas action plan,

02:57:16.906 --> 02:57:19.344
for example, is a perfect,
perfect example.

02:57:21.516 --> 02:57:23.516
You are reducing quality,

02:57:23.781 --> 02:57:25.781
reducing energy usage, reducing

02:57:27.328 --> 02:57:30.328
foreign oil, supporting
citizens.
If you change the ordinance you

02:57:31.266 --> 02:57:32.719
will contradict the greenhouse
plan.

02:57:33.688 --> 02:57:36.125
You have seen the statistics.
One of the electronic billboards

02:57:36.859 --> 02:57:38.969
is equal to 13 houses.
18 cars.

02:57:39.500 --> 02:57:41.859
I was skeptical about the
numbers, but I ran them through

02:57:43.266 --> 02:57:45.266
all my calculations and they're

02:57:45.312 --> 02:57:47.734
really strong, good numbers.
so if you support that, you will

02:57:48.844 --> 02:57:51.547
be undermining the leadership
role that the city has been

02:57:54.922 --> 02:57:57.156
taking in reducing energy usage.
Secondly, if you allow

02:57:57.891 --> 02:57:59.891
billboards to be relocated, you

02:58:02.281 --> 02:58:04.281
will cut downistry -- down

02:58:04.484 --> 02:58:06.859
trees, tear up land,
contradicting the planting of

02:58:08.500 --> 02:58:10.703
more trees, have more green
spaces and have a healthy

02:58:10.703 --> 02:58:12.703
environment for citizens.

02:58:13.940 --> 02:58:14.500
These are big sources of light
pollution.

02:58:15.406 --> 02:58:17.406
They increase light trespass

02:58:19.578 --> 02:58:21.000
into houses and residences and
businesses.

02:58:21.812 --> 02:58:24.609
The american medical association
cites them in a 2009 resolution

02:58:26.312 --> 02:58:28.312
as being factors in a variety of

02:58:29.547 --> 02:58:31.547
human health impacts, including

02:58:32.625 --> 02:58:35.594
changes in sleep cycles,
depression of the immune system,

02:58:35.984 --> 02:58:38.797
even increased cancers.
So I know I would have trouble

02:58:40.310 --> 02:58:42.391
going to sleep if one of these
was going into my house.

02:58:45.359 --> 02:58:47.828
So in summary, your eab urges
you to oppose changes to the

02:58:48.234 --> 02:58:50.406
amendment and continue the good,
forward steps you're making

02:58:51.469 --> 02:58:52.938
toward the environment.
Thank you.

02:58:54.438 --> 02:58:56.172
[Beep]
[Beep].

02:58:57.109 --> 02:58:59.844
>> olivia singleton.
>> good evening.

02:59:00.641 --> 02:59:03.609
My name is olivia singleton.
And I have been a resident of

02:59:05.250 --> 02:59:07.250
durham for about 25 years.

02:59:07.391 --> 02:59:09.391
It has been a great place to

02:59:10.594 --> 02:59:12.594
raise my three daughters and

02:59:13.594 --> 02:59:15.594
watch leaders and business

02:59:16.234 --> 02:59:18.234
people and citizens all come

02:59:20.562 --> 02:59:23.500
together to rejuvenate downtown
and shape overall community.

02:59:28.469 --> 02:59:30.469
Driving over here tonight, I was

02:59:30.781 --> 02:59:32.406
on us 15501 briefly, just a few
hundred feet.

02:59:33.141 --> 02:59:35.312
Then I got on the durham freeway
and came over here.

02:59:37.578 --> 02:59:39.578
What a pleasant landscape.

02:59:40.422 --> 02:59:42.422
Just very nice.

02:59:43.859 --> 02:59:46.328
Then if I were to keep traveling
eastward, I would see -- I would

02:59:49.656 --> 02:59:51.656
get to savor the drive through

02:59:52.391 --> 02:59:54.391
rtp, once again, not anything

02:59:57.297 --> 02:59:59.297
but beauty to look at.

03:00:00.109 --> 03:00:02.109
We are barraged and bombarded

03:00:02.734 --> 03:00:04.203
with so much stimuli and
distraction.

03:00:07.470 --> 03:00:09.470
Our visual billboards add more

03:00:10.578 --> 03:00:13.160
visual commercialization to our
world.
instead of enhancing the

03:00:14.281 --> 03:00:16.281
experience to durham, they

03:00:17.922 --> 03:00:19.922
really would block this unique

03:00:20.516 --> 03:00:22.516
reality that is already here.

03:00:25.940 --> 03:00:27.940
Also, a number of cities

03:00:27.125 --> 03:00:29.703
including denver have banned
digital billboards.

03:00:31.620 --> 03:00:33.906
And while I was thinking about
standing up here tonight to

03:00:38.641 --> 03:00:41.469
talk, I kept having these crazy
visions of sci-fi movies going

03:00:43.470 --> 03:00:45.470
through my head like minority

03:00:46.453 --> 03:00:49.188
report and blade runner and did
you know that in tokyo right

03:00:50.688 --> 03:00:52.688
now, they have already come up

03:00:54.188 --> 03:00:56.188
with a digital advertising

03:00:56.797 --> 03:00:58.797
screen that can scan you and can

03:00:59.594 --> 03:01:01.594
tell if you are male, female,

03:01:01.625 --> 03:01:04.562
what your age is, what you are
wearing [Beep].

03:01:08.620 --> 03:01:10.620
>> thank you.

03:01:12.969 --> 03:01:14.906
[Laughter]
[Laughter].

03:01:15.281 --> 03:01:17.281
>> I am joshua allen.

03:01:17.312 --> 03:01:19.906
I'm with watts hospital
hillandale neighborhood
association.

03:01:21.844 --> 03:01:23.844
I'm the President And our board

03:01:24.953 --> 03:01:26.891
voted unanimously to oppose the
new ordinance.

03:01:28.297 --> 03:01:29.719
We support the current
ordinance.

03:01:31.328 --> 03:01:33.328
And I would like to speak just a

03:01:34.297 --> 03:01:36.469
little bit about why we oppose
it.

03:01:37.672 --> 03:01:39.672
Durham is a wonderful city.

03:01:39.766 --> 03:01:41.766
The thing that made me fall in

03:01:42.310 --> 03:01:44.297
love with durham were the old
tobacco warehouses.

03:01:46.000 --> 03:01:48.969
Downtown, now that it is
revitalized is such a wonderful
place.

03:01:49.547 --> 03:01:51.812
It is a unique place.
Is a special place.

03:01:53.281 --> 03:01:56.250
And if you bring the billboards
along our freeways and highways,

03:01:57.547 --> 03:01:59.547
it is going to take away from

03:02:00.828 --> 03:02:03.750
all the money that we spent
revitalizing downtown, it will

03:02:04.391 --> 03:02:06.391
turn it into trash, because that

03:02:07.797 --> 03:02:09.797
is what the billboards look

03:02:09.891 --> 03:02:11.891
like.

03:02:14.500 --> 03:02:16.500
I-85, we spent a ton of money

03:02:18.438 --> 03:02:21.000
building the brick walls along
I-85 and putting in beautiful

03:02:22.109 --> 03:02:24.109
plantings down the median.

03:02:24.812 --> 03:02:26.812
Now we're going to reverse that

03:02:27.406 --> 03:02:30.250
and put these billboards along
this beautiful highway that we
have built?

03:02:31.250 --> 03:02:33.359
I do not think this is a good
idea for durham.

03:02:36.188 --> 03:02:38.484
if you think durham has an image
problem, which some people do,

03:02:39.391 --> 03:02:41.391
this is not the way to fix it.

03:02:42.500 --> 03:02:43.859
This is the way to make it
worse.

03:02:45.310 --> 03:02:46.969
That's all I have to say.
Thanks.
>> you're welcome.

03:02:54.641 --> 03:02:56.641
>> the last speaker is ideal.

03:02:57.375 --> 03:03:00.109
>> my name is ideal collins.
Y'all, it is after 10:00 and we

03:03:01.109 --> 03:03:03.875
have all given up the season
finale of the bachelorette.

03:03:05.344 --> 03:03:08.219
Thank you for your patience.
I just want to read to you a

03:03:09.281 --> 03:03:11.281
list of your voters.

03:03:11.656 --> 03:03:13.766
Your constituents who all
support durham's current

03:03:13.766 --> 03:03:16.234
billboard ordinance.
They are as follows.

03:03:17.594 --> 03:03:20.500
the interneighborhood council,
the durham planning commission,

03:03:22.828 --> 03:03:25.500
environmental affairs board,
city-county planning department,

03:03:26.703 --> 03:03:29.406
eno river association, the new
hope creek corridor advisory

03:03:30.938 --> 03:03:32.938
committee, durham people of

03:03:33.641 --> 03:03:35.641
alliance, birch avenue, colonial

03:03:35.719 --> 03:03:37.719
village, duke park, lakewood

03:03:38.781 --> 03:03:41.484
park, long meadow, moorehead
hill, new lease durham.

03:03:42.859 --> 03:03:44.859
North gate park, old farm, old

03:03:45.625 --> 03:03:47.625
north durham, old west durham,

03:03:50.297 --> 03:03:52.297
trinity heights, trinity park,

03:03:55.406 --> 03:03:57.828
tuska lufka eastwood.
Walltown, west end.

03:03:59.766 --> 03:04:02.766
please vote with your voters.
>> thank you.

03:04:03.875 --> 03:04:05.875
We have had.

03:04:08.453 --> 03:04:11.344
[Applause]
>> first of all, I want to thank

03:04:12.780 --> 03:04:14.922
all of the speakers that have
taken the time to be here this

03:04:15.359 --> 03:04:17.359
evening and to make comments.

03:04:17.984 --> 03:04:19.984
I appreciate you honoring the

03:04:20.594 --> 03:04:23.156
time that we set.
I know sometimes it might not
have been easy.

03:04:23.156 --> 03:04:25.156
You did that.

03:04:26.156 --> 03:04:28.156
We had a total of 34 persons who

03:04:29.297 --> 03:04:32.266
were in opposition to this
ordinance.
We had 24 that were in support

03:04:34.172 --> 03:04:36.172
of the proposition.

03:04:36.641 --> 03:04:39.641
So we're trying to equal the
time.
68 minutes.

03:04:40.609 --> 03:04:42.906
48 minutes to the opponents.
They have taken six.

03:04:44.953 --> 03:04:46.953
The proponents in terms of the

03:04:48.422 --> 03:04:49.781
rebuttal and comments is 14
minutes.

03:04:50.594 --> 03:04:51.984
I turn it to the attorney
cheeks.

03:05:00.531 --> 03:05:02.531
if you want to use those.

03:05:02.969 --> 03:05:04.969
>> thank you mayor bell.

03:05:05.562 --> 03:05:07.766
Really, just a few things.
There were questions raised

03:05:09.203 --> 03:05:11.969
along the way about the legality
of the text amendment in front

03:05:13.281 --> 03:05:15.281
of the council right now.

03:05:15.781 --> 03:05:17.781
We have addressed that in the

03:05:18.219 --> 03:05:20.484
memorandum that I prepared and
submitted to you.

03:05:22.219 --> 03:05:24.219
but I would also like to

03:05:25.422 --> 03:05:28.391
indicate that the text amendment
that is prepared is based on the

03:05:29.562 --> 03:05:30.984
text amendment enacted in
wilmington.

03:05:32.688 --> 03:05:34.620
They found it to be legally meet
muster.

03:05:35.500 --> 03:05:37.500
I'm not sure exactly what the

03:05:37.859 --> 03:05:39.859
questions are on the legality

03:05:40.703 --> 03:05:43.672
here in durham.
i'd like to make sure that

03:05:44.234 --> 03:05:46.578
everyone understands that what
we're talking about is not a new

03:05:46.578 --> 03:05:48.984
concept.
We have already got billboards

03:05:48.984 --> 03:05:51.375
in durham.
We have 94 billboards in durham

03:05:51.375 --> 03:05:53.375
right now.

03:05:54.812 --> 03:05:56.812
So it is not as if we're going

03:05:58.188 --> 03:06:00.188
to be introducing some of these

03:06:00.625 --> 03:06:03.562
horrible sorts of things into
the community.

03:06:04.297 --> 03:06:06.266
They're going to be -- there
were 94 before.

03:06:08.620 --> 03:06:10.703
They're going to be 94 now.
There won't be anymore after

03:06:12.620 --> 03:06:14.620
this text amendment than there

03:06:16.641 --> 03:06:19.780
were before.
Questions were raised about the

03:06:20.470 --> 03:06:22.470
nature of digital billboards and

03:06:23.438 --> 03:06:25.672
the interaction of the digital
billboards.

03:06:26.281 --> 03:06:27.953
Digital billboards don't flash
or stream.

03:06:28.516 --> 03:06:30.516
There is not this video like you

03:06:31.219 --> 03:06:33.219
are watching television or

03:06:34.391 --> 03:06:36.391
something like that.

03:06:36.516 --> 03:06:38.516
I'm sure most of you have seen

03:06:40.656 --> 03:06:42.656
them on I-35 as you go through

03:06:43.562 --> 03:06:45.562
almants county through guilford

03:06:46.234 --> 03:06:48.234
and foresith count.

03:06:50.844 --> 03:06:52.844
There is a static picture and
stays for eight seconds and

03:06:53.875 --> 03:06:56.547
changes on an automatic basis.
Questions were raised on whether

03:06:56.906 --> 03:06:58.906
there was evidence to support

03:06:59.578 --> 03:07:01.470
what we said about crime
prevention.

03:07:01.812 --> 03:07:04.719
I believe members of the city
council have received articles

03:07:05.453 --> 03:07:07.453
we provided.

03:07:08.562 --> 03:07:10.562
One was from police chief

03:07:10.656 --> 03:07:12.891
magazine and highlighted
janesville, wisconsin where they

03:07:14.531 --> 03:07:17.234
have a program in place in
connection with the billboard

03:07:17.500 --> 03:07:19.500
industry, where they have

03:07:19.531 --> 03:07:21.531
targeted wanted criminals and

03:07:21.703 --> 03:07:23.703
have made 13 arrests out of 16

03:07:25.310 --> 03:07:26.438
postings as of the time of the
article.

03:07:29.469 --> 03:07:32.172
There is also an F.B.I.
Arrangement with the billboard

03:07:32.875 --> 03:07:34.875
industry wherein there is
cooperation across the country

03:07:36.844 --> 03:07:38.844
with the billboard industry.

03:07:39.688 --> 03:07:41.688
There have been questions raised

03:07:42.453 --> 03:07:44.453
about the safety issues in terms

03:07:45.219 --> 03:07:47.620
of how this might effect traffic
on the roadway.

03:07:48.310 --> 03:07:50.310
As we have indicates in the memo

03:07:50.156 --> 03:07:53.940
that we provided to you, the
fact of the matter is that

03:07:53.766 --> 03:07:56.203
anything that is along the
roadway, above the roadway,

03:07:56.938 --> 03:07:58.938
beside the roadway, has the

03:07:59.938 --> 03:08:02.438
potential to be a distract.
Billboards are no different.

03:08:04.609 --> 03:08:06.609
There is no empirical evidence

03:08:07.516 --> 03:08:09.781
anywhere that billboards cause
traffic accidents.

03:08:11.578 --> 03:08:13.547
You won't find accident reports
that report that.

03:08:14.281 --> 03:08:16.422
Some question was raised, I May
have misunderstood it, I'm not

03:08:16.422 --> 03:08:19.328
sure.
But there seemed to be some

03:08:21.391 --> 03:08:23.391
suggestion that we were offering

03:08:23.531 --> 03:08:25.531
money to the city council in

03:08:27.000 --> 03:08:28.594
order to pay for some aspect of
this.

03:08:31.297 --> 03:08:33.297
What we said was that fees, any

03:08:33.906 --> 03:08:36.609
fees exacted and there are
permit fees, opportunities all

03:08:38.234 --> 03:08:40.234
along the way, should be placed

03:08:40.438 --> 03:08:42.438
in an amount so the entire

03:08:45.375 --> 03:08:48.780
program would be paid for.
we believe that to be the case.

03:08:48.547 --> 03:08:51.547
We don't think the city or
county of durham should have to

03:08:52.160 --> 03:08:54.594
expand one additional cent other
than what can be collected in

03:08:56.620 --> 03:08:58.620
fees to pay for the program.

03:08:58.328 --> 03:08:59.922
One of the speakers talked about
light pollution.

03:09:02.297 --> 03:09:04.641
I would like to remind the city
council that there are

03:09:08.203 --> 03:09:09.578
photocells and dimmer kriel
controls

03:09:10.812 --> 03:09:12.812
on the digital devices to

03:09:12.875 --> 03:09:15.109
control the lighting to adjust
it to the lighting outside.

03:09:17.688 --> 03:09:20.516
It was interesting to me, I
appreciate the consideration

03:09:23.391 --> 03:09:25.391
that we received about having

03:09:25.656 --> 03:09:27.656
been able to get speakers here

03:09:27.688 --> 03:09:29.766
that could provide information
to the city council.

03:09:30.500 --> 03:09:33.620
And I applaud the neighborhoods
for being able to turn out

03:09:33.656 --> 03:09:35.656
people to speak also.

03:09:37.328 --> 03:09:39.328
It was interesting that far and

03:09:39.641 --> 03:09:41.641
away the largest number of the

03:09:42.266 --> 03:09:44.672
folks were from watts hospital,
hillandale, trinity park area.

03:09:45.312 --> 03:09:47.312
There were a few people from

03:09:48.375 --> 03:09:50.375
other areas in the city.

03:09:50.406 --> 03:09:52.406
The last point, Mr. Mayor,

03:09:53.188 --> 03:09:55.188
members of council, is one issue

03:09:59.620 --> 03:10:01.620
was raised about, well, the

03:10:01.625 --> 03:10:03.922
point that we made about
advertising the public service

03:10:04.188 --> 03:10:06.422
announcements and a lot of
people that might want to take

03:10:06.422 --> 03:10:08.562
advantage of that.
We believe that to be the case

03:10:08.562 --> 03:10:10.562
also.

03:10:11.310 --> 03:10:13.500
that is why the industry has
offer
offered

03:10:16.000 --> 03:10:18.000
offered one eight-second spot

03:10:19.438 --> 03:10:21.438
per minute 24 hours a day to be

03:10:21.516 --> 03:10:23.984
available for government and
nonprofits in order to utilize

03:10:24.780 --> 03:10:26.578
and benefit from this.
I will certainly be happy to

03:10:28.219 --> 03:10:30.953
answer any questions that anyone
may have.

03:10:32.422 --> 03:10:34.422
>> thank you.

03:10:36.297 --> 03:10:38.797
Let me -- is that the conclusion
of your -- 

03:10:40.734 --> 03:10:42.734
>> if I May, mayor bell, patrick

03:10:46.938 --> 03:10:49.344
biker with kano gates I live at
246 fairway drive approximate.

03:10:50.703 --> 03:10:53.344
one point we addressed in the
memorandum that was provided to

03:10:55.547 --> 03:10:58.470
the council is issue of
condemnation or eminent domain

03:10:59.781 --> 03:11:01.484
in regards to the new billboards
proposed.

03:11:01.844 --> 03:11:03.844
It is important to understand

03:11:04.656 --> 03:11:06.656
that the whole push behind this

03:11:06.781 --> 03:11:08.781
text amendment is to allow for

03:11:08.922 --> 03:11:11.625
relocation of billboards,
whether it is minor -- whether

03:11:13.328 --> 03:11:16.297
it is just a few feet or to -- 
from a residential zone to a

03:11:16.562 --> 03:11:18.562
commercial zone.

03:11:18.797 --> 03:11:21.562
But the entire point, or thrust
behind that is to absolve the

03:11:21.828 --> 03:11:23.828
city of the city of the

03:11:26.203 --> 03:11:28.203
responsibility of having to pay

03:11:28.547 --> 03:11:30.781
just compensation for the
condemnation of any billboard in

03:11:31.484 --> 03:11:34.470
connection with a real estate
development project or road

03:11:34.470 --> 03:11:36.719
widening.
Indeed, there is recent support,

03:11:36.719 --> 03:11:38.719
north carolina supreme court

03:11:39.594 --> 03:11:41.594
case from December 2008, which

03:11:43.625 --> 03:11:46.156
held that a north carolina
regulations for D.O.T. Which

03:11:47.422 --> 03:11:49.859
allow for minor relocations of
billboards, supercede local

03:11:50.391 --> 03:11:51.969
ordinances which do not allow
for that.

03:11:53.438 --> 03:11:56.109
we want to stress that what we
proposed tonight will not create

03:11:57.109 --> 03:11:59.109
increased liberty for the city

03:11:59.344 --> 03:12:01.203
in regards to eminent domain
actions.

03:12:03.375 --> 03:12:05.375
Lastly, to piggyback on what

03:12:07.470 --> 03:12:10.470
andy miller and melvin whitley
said.
This was hot off the presses at

03:12:10.891 --> 03:12:12.891
5:00 this afternoon.

03:12:14.422 --> 03:12:16.422
yahoo news released and article,

03:12:17.453 --> 03:12:19.453
digital signs enlisted for hunt

03:12:20.620 --> 03:12:22.620
for granddad bandit.

03:12:23.734 --> 03:12:25.734
It said so far 36 F.B.I. Arrests

03:12:27.703 --> 03:12:30.310
and other cases have been linked
to the billboard tips.

03:12:31.620 --> 03:12:32.531
We will be happy to answer any
questions.

03:12:33.234 --> 03:12:35.812
>> I am going to assume that
concludes the presentations by

03:12:35.844 --> 03:12:37.844
the proponents.

03:12:38.375 --> 03:12:41.344
That being the case, let me ask
one last time, is there anyone

03:12:41.781 --> 03:12:43.781
else that had not had an

03:12:44.344 --> 03:12:46.344
opportunity to speak on this

03:12:46.578 --> 03:12:48.656
item to speak on this item
either before or against.

03:12:49.453 --> 03:12:51.453
Let the record reflect no one

03:12:51.859 --> 03:12:54.531
asked to speak for or against.
I will close the public hearing.

03:12:57.859 --> 03:13:00.940
the matter is back before the
council for discussion.

03:13:01.406 --> 03:13:04.266
I will ask mayor pro tem,
Councilman Woodard, Councilman

03:13:05.375 --> 03:13:07.438
Brown, Councilman Clement,
Councilwoman Catotti, in that

03:13:07.438 --> 03:13:09.734
order.
You all remember your order.

03:13:12.516 --> 03:13:14.516
>> I would like to start by
asking the gentleman from

03:13:15.375 --> 03:13:17.375
fairway to come to the podium.

03:13:20.516 --> 03:13:22.516
I need a refresher of -- you

03:13:22.781 --> 03:13:24.781
talked about -- many people have

03:13:27.620 --> 03:13:29.620
talked about the jobs that could

03:13:30.859 --> 03:13:32.469
come to durham as a result of
this change.

03:13:34.391 --> 03:13:36.391
Could you share with me, now,

03:13:38.375 --> 03:13:41.000
what your present workforce
looks like for those billboards

03:13:42.609 --> 03:13:44.609
nar durham at this time?

03:13:44.781 --> 03:13:47.547
Who helped to do the billboards
that are already here?

03:13:49.160 --> 03:13:51.141
What are the demographics?
Male, fefee

03:13:51.141 --> 03:13:53.141
male

03:13:53.984 --> 03:13:55.391
female, black, white,
asian.

03:13:58.160 --> 03:14:01.160
>> we have about 25 employees
total in the triangle.

03:14:01.125 --> 03:14:03.359
I didn't know the percentages
within the employment base.

03:14:05.125 --> 03:14:07.938
I think right now -- I'm a
native american, we'll start

03:14:08.828 --> 03:14:11.310
there, we have about six
african-americans and the rest

03:14:11.310 --> 03:14:13.310
is white.

03:14:14.310 --> 03:14:16.310
>> who do they do?

03:14:16.734 --> 03:14:19.672
what do the african-americans
do?
>> primarily most of that group

03:14:19.672 --> 03:14:21.672
is within our office,

03:14:35.310 --> 03:14:37.310
administrative.

03:14:38.359 --> 03:14:40.359
>>

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03:18:14.172 --> 03:18:16.172
>> any of you that engaged me on

03:18:16.672 --> 03:18:18.672
the topic in the last two years

03:18:20.578 --> 03:18:23.219
know that I learned a lot both
pro and con.

03:18:24.516 --> 03:18:26.516
This ignited durham like no

03:18:26.719 --> 03:18:28.719
other than I can remember.

03:18:32.859 --> 03:18:35.797
As you heard we received 1,000
e-mails against.

03:18:38.310 --> 03:18:40.625
A couple of snail mail letters
half in favor and half against.

03:18:41.297 --> 03:18:44.203
We heard from the diverse
population from durham.

03:18:46.172 --> 03:18:48.297
We heard from the ebony and
alabaster
alabaster.

03:18:50.266 --> 03:18:52.266
The men, women, democrats,

03:18:52.641 --> 03:18:54.203
independents, young people,
seniors.

03:18:55.516 --> 03:18:57.516
From the young teen wearing an

03:18:58.484 --> 03:19:00.484
obama t-shirt who cornered me in

03:19:06.188 --> 03:19:08.188
the grocery store even being

03:19:09.484 --> 03:19:11.391
caught at a funeral to express
their positions.

03:19:14.469 --> 03:19:16.469
We heard from the PACs.

03:19:17.469 --> 03:19:19.469
Pac 5 took a stand against.

03:19:30.172 --> 03:19:32.172
this pac 4 did in March.

03:19:32.875 --> 03:19:34.578
Three pac leaders contacted.
Us.

03:19:35.578 --> 03:19:38.160
United the planning commission.
12-0.

03:19:38.594 --> 03:19:40.281
It is pointed out that doesn't
happen often.

03:19:41.984 --> 03:19:43.984
we heard from the citizens in

03:19:44.859 --> 03:19:46.969
unprecedented numbers.
I stopped counting realtors at

03:19:46.969 --> 03:19:49.828
15.
Insurance firms, small business

03:19:50.938 --> 03:19:52.938
owners, bankers, all the people

03:19:53.203 --> 03:19:55.203
the industry tells us would be

03:19:55.531 --> 03:19:57.531
good candidates for the

03:19:58.531 --> 03:20:00.531
billboards are opposed.

03:20:01.312 --> 03:20:03.312
Architects, developers, two ad

03:20:03.641 --> 03:20:05.641
agencies, media companies,

03:20:05.953 --> 03:20:08.750
chamber members who expressed
concern that the vote did not

03:20:09.780 --> 03:20:11.719
reflect their views.
We heard from the high-tech

03:20:12.125 --> 03:20:14.125
community, entrepreneurs, staff

03:20:14.984 --> 03:20:16.984
of digital durham another

03:20:18.531 --> 03:20:20.940
digital high-tech program at
duke.

03:20:21.391 --> 03:20:22.828
Creative class, landscape
architects.

03:20:24.297 --> 03:20:26.620
faculty from all four of the
departments at the duke school

03:20:27.141 --> 03:20:28.562
of engineering wrote with
opposition.

03:20:30.938 --> 03:20:32.938
We heard from attorneys and

03:20:33.109 --> 03:20:34.578
plents of nonprofits that don't
favor this.

03:20:36.750 --> 03:20:38.750
To me, given the history of this

03:20:38.906 --> 03:20:40.906
issue, the threshold for any

03:20:41.312 --> 03:20:43.219
changes to this ordinance must
be very high.

03:20:44.922 --> 03:20:46.922
this or any applicant has a lot

03:20:49.562 --> 03:20:51.219
to prove to the laked
elected leaders

03:20:53.310 --> 03:20:55.310
and citizens of durham in asking

03:20:55.797 --> 03:20:58.156
for a change to this time-tested
ordinance.
The question is this.

03:20:58.766 --> 03:21:00.172
Has the applicant met the burden
of proof?

03:21:00.938 --> 03:21:02.938
Has it proved a public good?

03:21:04.609 --> 03:21:06.609
not the good of just the

03:21:07.438 --> 03:21:08.875
applicant, its lessors or
suppliers?

03:21:10.250 --> 03:21:11.578
But the general public, all of
us?

03:21:13.281 --> 03:21:15.875
To me, on both of those
questions, burden of proof and

03:21:18.391 --> 03:21:20.953
public good, the answer is no,
and no.

03:21:21.156 --> 03:21:23.156
Small business, it is

03:21:23.219 --> 03:21:25.594
interesting to hear from
small-business owners.

03:21:28.688 --> 03:21:30.688
You will read a number of

03:21:32.969 --> 03:21:34.969
articles, in tort advertise when

03:21:37.203 --> 03:21:39.203
a small business to use it, take

03:21:40.406 --> 03:21:42.547
money from the other advertising
in the area.

03:21:44.609 --> 03:21:46.609
in a vacation in asheville, I

03:21:46.750 --> 03:21:48.750
saw a local business, a jewelry

03:21:49.281 --> 03:21:51.516
store near the hotel where my
wife and I stay each year.

03:21:52.160 --> 03:21:54.422
I visited with the man that
owned the jewelry store.

03:21:54.688 --> 03:21:56.688
I asked him that question.

03:21:56.953 --> 03:21:58.953
He confirmed he stopped

03:21:59.125 --> 03:22:01.125
advertising or advertised less

03:22:01.422 --> 03:22:03.953
in this time and couple of the
local lifestyle magazines in

03:22:05.234 --> 03:22:07.891
order to have his ad on the
digital billboard and would not

03:22:07.891 --> 03:22:09.891
renew the contract.

03:22:10.328 --> 03:22:12.620
He didn't see the benefit as a
small business.

03:22:13.438 --> 03:22:15.438
>> we heard a lot about the

03:22:17.281 --> 03:22:18.672
crime, the silver and amber
laters.

03:22:22.984 --> 03:22:25.281
The applicant tells us about
janesville, wisconsin where

03:22:26.516 --> 03:22:28.516
there were solves.

03:22:29.688 --> 03:22:31.688
Where you hear from grassroots

03:22:31.828 --> 03:22:33.828
groups is there is active crime

03:22:33.859 --> 03:22:35.953
stopper program that takes
credit for that.

03:22:35.953 --> 03:22:37.953
The neighborhood watch program

03:22:38.125 --> 03:22:40.125
takes credit for that.

03:22:40.469 --> 03:22:42.469
They have an active code red

03:22:43.203 --> 03:22:45.734
program, as we do, all three of
those in durham, they take

03:22:45.734 --> 03:22:47.734
credit for that.

03:22:47.844 --> 03:22:49.203
cause and effect is hard to
match.

03:22:52.438 --> 03:22:54.438
Read further, a neighbor,

03:22:57.953 --> 03:22:59.953
greensboro, wis gen -- green

03:23:01.688 --> 03:23:03.688
bay, wisconsin, they're looking

03:23:03.781 --> 03:23:05.781
undo the digital sign ordinance.

03:23:06.859 --> 03:23:09.359
sandrock put in 13, but they
stopped there.

03:23:09.359 --> 03:23:11.891
Why?
Their police department said

03:23:13.797 --> 03:23:16.562
they saw no positive impact.
Virginia beach pulled its
request because they don't see

03:23:16.594 --> 03:23:19.000
the impact.
You could go through the states

03:23:19.328 --> 03:23:21.328
that have concerned about this

03:23:21.406 --> 03:23:23.406
as well.

03:23:24.547 --> 03:23:27.344
Michigan, maine, montana,
vermont.
Cities and states are out there.

03:23:28.844 --> 03:23:30.844
well, some of the cities cited

03:23:31.312 --> 03:23:33.312
tonight said, well, these cities

03:23:33.812 --> 03:23:35.812
have it, they put up crime and

03:23:36.160 --> 03:23:38.953
amber alerts, the cities have
high crime rates, I won't call

03:23:39.719 --> 03:23:41.953
them out, you heard the list,
you know the ones I can

03:23:41.953 --> 03:23:43.953
reference.

03:23:44.188 --> 03:23:46.359
On the psa question, it is
important to remember we cannot

03:23:47.000 --> 03:23:49.859
enforce that here as a governing
body and our planning department

03:23:50.562 --> 03:23:53.172
can't enforce that.
A simple change in the

03:23:53.438 --> 03:23:55.438
leadership of fairway and

03:23:58.000 --> 03:24:00.000
Mr. Hickman is a fine person, I

03:24:00.500 --> 03:24:02.500
worked with him on a number of

03:24:02.609 --> 03:24:04.203
issues, and hope to on more
after tonight.

03:24:07.109 --> 03:24:09.109
If he leaves, the next one may

03:24:11.281 --> 03:24:12.922
not be interested in helping out
the nonprofit.

03:24:13.625 --> 03:24:15.984
Many that have seen them didn't
see the nonprofit ads.

03:24:16.359 --> 03:24:19.328
In talking with the nonprofits
that contacted us over the last

03:24:20.620 --> 03:24:22.391
few weeks, I asked them in the
time the billboard was up did

03:24:24.000 --> 03:24:26.266
they see increase in membership,
donations, people asking for

03:24:26.266 --> 03:24:29.203
services?
Not one, not one could attribute

03:24:30.344 --> 03:24:32.344
an increase to having the

03:24:32.375 --> 03:24:34.375
billboard posted out there.

03:24:34.547 --> 03:24:36.109
>> we heard from someone from
greensboro tonight.

03:24:36.781 --> 03:24:39.109
I have to say I was in
greensboro recently for a

03:24:40.219 --> 03:24:43.188
meeting and had a few extra
minutes.
I drove down wendover avenue.

03:24:44.812 --> 03:24:46.812
Many are familiar with it.

03:24:47.219 --> 03:24:49.453
A lot of car dealerships and
electronic billboards.

03:24:51.156 --> 03:24:53.859
i worry about the camel getting
its nose in the tent.

03:24:55.297 --> 03:24:57.297
It wasn't just the billboard

03:24:58.734 --> 03:25:00.734
it's 40 and sick
60-foot mast.

03:25:02.266 --> 03:25:03.969
It was those that was about
four-feet high.

03:25:05.703 --> 03:25:07.703
A stoplight in front of the

03:25:09.312 --> 03:25:11.312
nissan dealership.

03:25:13.344 --> 03:25:15.344
altimas 13999.

03:25:23.594 --> 03:25:25.594
Maxima $169.99 -- $16,999.

03:25:25.891 --> 03:25:28.391
They're inconcludive and
conflicting sometimes in the

03:25:28.391 --> 03:25:30.391
same report.

03:25:30.422 --> 03:25:31.891
One is from a professor in
virginia tech.

03:25:33.438 --> 03:25:35.438
if you read it, he conflicts

03:25:35.797 --> 03:25:37.797
himself on different pages.

03:25:40.766 --> 03:25:43.172
The oaaa the outdoor advertising
association of america makes

03:25:43.641 --> 03:25:45.641
this point in america.

03:25:45.781 --> 03:25:47.781
They say 60% of drivers will

03:25:48.312 --> 03:25:50.875
glance at a billboard.
70% will actually take the time

03:25:52.188 --> 03:25:54.188
it read it.

03:25:56.359 --> 03:25:58.453
The distraction oaaa tells us it
is a distraction.

03:25:59.922 --> 03:26:01.922
If it is not a distraction to

03:26:02.620 --> 03:26:04.688
the driver, why is the business
going to buy it?

03:26:06.940 --> 03:26:08.940
Why would I buy it?

03:26:08.406 --> 03:26:10.406
In tennessee, we're seeing an

03:26:10.938 --> 03:26:13.234
interesting study that came out.
residential properties near

03:26:13.438 --> 03:26:15.438
billboards have decreased in

03:26:15.812 --> 03:26:18.641
value over a number of years.
That is why knoxville, a city

03:26:21.780 --> 03:26:23.406
comparable to durham has paused
its action on this.

03:26:24.578 --> 03:26:27.281
In chattanooga, they
implemented, put some in and now

03:26:27.281 --> 03:26:29.547
they stopped.
They have concerns about the

03:26:29.547 --> 03:26:31.984
economics.
We saw the cities in north

03:26:32.562 --> 03:26:35.562
carolina that allowed
billboards.
we didn't see the list,

03:26:36.266 --> 03:26:39.234
electronic billboards but didn't
sooe the list that didn't.

03:26:41.125 --> 03:26:43.125
That list includes raleigh,

03:26:43.234 --> 03:26:45.234
cary, chapel hill, morrisville

03:26:45.672 --> 03:26:47.906
and other communities in waik
wade county and orange county.

03:26:48.797 --> 03:26:50.406
Those are the folks we're
competing against.

03:26:50.844 --> 03:26:52.844
Our neighbors.

03:26:53.160 --> 03:26:55.160
We compete for residents and why

03:26:55.641 --> 03:26:57.641
don't they have them?

03:26:57.750 --> 03:27:00.750
I would ask this question, why
did this applicant of this

03:27:01.984 --> 03:27:03.516
triangle region choose durham
first?

03:27:07.562 --> 03:27:10.940
Why choose durham first?
We often say with pride that

03:27:10.828 --> 03:27:13.000
durham is where great things
happen pi-I direct your

03:27:13.000 --> 03:27:15.531
attention to this slide up
tonight inspect is one of the

03:27:16.000 --> 03:27:18.620
things I think makes durham such
a great city.

03:27:20.969 --> 03:27:22.969
The recently completed r. Kelly

03:27:23.344 --> 03:27:25.844
bryant, junior bridge that spans
147.
Many of you have seen it.

03:27:27.172 --> 03:27:29.547
This is one of the great things.
This connects neighborhoods that

03:27:31.160 --> 03:27:33.750
were divided by the durham
freeway.
It is going connect people in a

03:27:34.516 --> 03:27:37.780
lot of different ways.
kid who attend school on the

03:27:38.156 --> 03:27:40.250
south side can go to the
northside for activity.

03:27:42.859 --> 03:27:44.984
People can any to the green flea
market and other commercial

03:27:45.620 --> 03:27:47.620
venues along the way.

03:27:47.766 --> 03:27:49.766
Next week, we are going -- next

03:27:50.797 --> 03:27:52.797
month, we're going to gather to

03:27:55.609 --> 03:27:57.906
dedicate and open this bridge.
this is a daytime shot.

03:27:58.703 --> 03:28:01.469
Look carefully at the north end
of the bridge this is a picture

03:28:02.109 --> 03:28:04.109
take own thursday.

03:28:04.250 --> 03:28:06.250
And -- taken on thursday.

03:28:06.750 --> 03:28:08.750
There you will see a billboard.

03:28:10.578 --> 03:28:12.953
This is not a billboard for a
durham business or even durham

03:28:12.953 --> 03:28:15.891
nonprofit.
This is a billboard advertising

03:28:16.828 --> 03:28:19.310
the dixie gun and knife show
being held this weekend in

03:28:19.310 --> 03:28:21.310
raleigh.

03:28:24.359 --> 03:28:27.359
The dickey gun and knife show.
Council members remember a
couple months ago that

03:28:28.438 --> 03:28:31.172
Mr. Bryant, the namesake of this
bridge e-mailed us, and this is

03:28:31.172 --> 03:28:33.172
what he said.

03:28:33.609 --> 03:28:35.609
This e-mail comes asking our

03:28:35.703 --> 03:28:38.406
officials to not, capital
letters, start changing our

03:28:38.812 --> 03:28:40.812
successful sign ordinance.

03:28:41.422 --> 03:28:43.422
I support durham's current ban

03:28:44.688 --> 03:28:47.470
on new digital and electronic
billboards.

03:28:47.781 --> 03:28:49.781
R. Kelly bryant, junior.

03:28:50.620 --> 03:28:52.516
The kelly-bryant bridge design
is going to be a beautiful

03:28:53.484 --> 03:28:55.484
gateway to durham.

03:28:55.562 --> 03:28:57.562
Frankly, I was in raleigh

03:28:59.766 --> 03:29:02.531
saturday and rode under their
pedestrian privilege on the belt
line.

03:29:03.938 --> 03:29:06.672
Ours makes them look -- well, it
is a lot less.

03:29:08.266 --> 03:29:10.266
[Laughter] If we vote tonight to

03:29:10.438 --> 03:29:12.438
approve this proposed text

03:29:13.160 --> 03:29:15.109
amendment, envision how this
gateway will look.

03:29:20.484 --> 03:29:23.219
steel monopoles, and at the top,
a very bright display.

03:29:24.940 --> 03:29:26.940
We heard the kind of

03:29:30.359 --> 03:29:32.359
advertisements that we might see

03:29:32.828 --> 03:29:34.297
on this billboard right at
gateway.

03:29:35.906 --> 03:29:38.562
The one there now is the dixie
gun and knife show.

03:29:41.547 --> 03:29:44.406
having billboards like that will
diminish our investment into the

03:29:45.375 --> 03:29:48.141
bridge and historic significance
of connecting the communities

03:29:48.750 --> 03:29:50.750
torn apart by 147.

03:29:51.812 --> 03:29:53.812
It will deminish this important

03:29:54.470 --> 03:29:55.484
gateway and it will diminish
durham.

03:29:57.781 --> 03:29:59.422
Our community has advanced well
together.

03:30:01.266 --> 03:30:03.266
for the last 25 years.

03:30:04.500 --> 03:30:06.234
My motto is, if it ain't broke,
don't fix it.

03:30:08.234 --> 03:30:10.234
Thank you, mayor.

03:30:18.469 --> 03:30:21.375
[Applause]
>> let me say this.

03:30:21.484 --> 03:30:22.812
I take the responsibility for
this.

03:30:24.470 --> 03:30:26.844
I appreciate the comments that
our council persons have.

03:30:29.188 --> 03:30:30.781
We need to begin to adhere to a
time.

03:30:31.719 --> 03:30:33.719
Normally what we would do is be

03:30:43.562 --> 03:30:46.310
to allow the council person five
minutes.
In fairness to the colleagues on

03:30:47.297 --> 03:30:49.297
the council, that presentations

03:30:49.703 --> 03:30:52.172
be made, I ask council members
to adhere to that.

03:30:55.516 --> 03:30:57.453
So the income person to speak is
Councilman Eugene brown.

03:30:58.375 --> 03:31:00.750
You have five minutes.
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor, I want

03:31:01.953 --> 03:31:03.953
to start with a couple of

03:31:15.562 --> 03:31:18.469
questions to Mr. Austin.
Thanks for the staff report that

03:31:21.531 --> 03:31:23.812
I think is well done.
my colleague mike woodard

03:31:23.812 --> 03:31:26.203
covered some of this.
I would like your insight.

03:31:26.375 --> 03:31:27.703
Let's start with the crime
issue.

03:31:35.953 --> 03:31:38.312
Where is the data there that
digital billboards work.

03:31:39.188 --> 03:31:41.188
We had andy miller here this

03:31:41.953 --> 03:31:43.953
evening to support it.

03:31:44.156 --> 03:31:46.359
lewis cheeked mentioned one city
in wisconsin.

03:31:47.000 --> 03:31:49.000
The F.B.I.

03:31:51.266 --> 03:31:53.940
Is that data actually positive
across the board?

03:31:56.000 --> 03:31:58.344
Or is it mixed?
What did you find?

03:32:00.406 --> 03:32:02.406
>> looking through, I found the

03:32:16.160 --> 03:32:18.922
articles they're talking
about -- 

03:32:19.625 --> 03:32:22.625
>> speak into the microphone
phone I have seen the articles.

03:32:24.562 --> 03:32:27.500
as mentioned it was released
today on the granddad bandit

03:32:27.828 --> 03:32:29.828
looking for him for two and a

03:32:29.875 --> 03:32:32.203
half years, expanding the number
of states to find him.

03:32:33.234 --> 03:32:35.875
As you said, it is mixed.
I have seen communities that

03:32:36.203 --> 03:32:38.578
have these, liked them.
I have seen communities have

03:32:39.547 --> 03:32:42.516
them and wanted to stop and go
back to the regular alerts they

03:32:52.625 --> 03:32:55.297
have along the highway.
And cities that aren't using

03:32:55.531 --> 03:32:57.891
them because they don't have the
digital billboards.

03:32:59.641 --> 03:33:02.266
Is mixed, as you said.
>> second question, it was

03:33:03.969 --> 03:33:05.969
presented this evening by some

03:33:14.312 --> 03:33:17.141
that almost like durham needs to
jump on the band whoing wagon

03:33:17.688 --> 03:33:19.688
because the -- bandwagon because

03:33:20.422 --> 03:33:22.422
the train has left the station.

03:33:23.160 --> 03:33:25.125
A lot of cities are doing this
around the concern and we are

03:33:25.125 --> 03:33:27.620
not.
my brother is on the city

03:33:28.953 --> 03:33:30.891
council in denver and I think
somewhat mentioned.

03:33:32.859 --> 03:33:35.359
They tried do digital billboards
and now voted unanimously a

03:33:38.141 --> 03:33:40.141
couple of months ago to rescind

03:33:47.109 --> 03:33:49.609
that experiment.
In reading your staff report,

03:33:51.578 --> 03:33:54.516
maybe it is not quite the
bandwagon presented to us.

03:33:56.125 --> 03:33:58.984
11 states do not permit it at
all.
Others have tried and withdrawn.

03:33:59.891 --> 03:34:01.891
How do we look nationally in

03:34:02.500 --> 03:34:05.940
terms of digital billboards.
>> on page 7 of the staff

03:34:06.203 --> 03:34:08.203
report, 11 states prohibit

03:34:09.234 --> 03:34:11.375
digital billboards, montana,
kentucky have instituted

03:34:13.109 --> 03:34:16.780
temporary bans to allow
assessments.
Michigan, minnesota are

03:34:17.781 --> 03:34:19.234
currently considering
moratoriums.

03:34:21.641 --> 03:34:23.875
And between April and December,
2008, 23 cities within texas

03:34:26.109 --> 03:34:28.688
alobe prohibits billboards.
six opposed moratoriums.

03:34:30.422 --> 03:34:32.859
Los angeles had them, taken them
back, had a court order to put

03:34:33.859 --> 03:34:36.656
them back, had a moratorium.
They're on again, off again.

03:34:38.310 --> 03:34:40.310
Planning commission, we actually

03:34:48.000 --> 03:34:50.000
had a man who with lamar

03:34:51.344 --> 03:34:53.312
advertising, they put up three
digital billboards and the

03:34:53.875 --> 03:34:56.281
citizens were complaining and
considering trying to remove
them.

03:34:57.250 --> 03:34:59.250
You are seeing some that are up

03:34:59.875 --> 03:35:01.484
and some that are having them
taken

03:35:03.125 --> 03:35:05.470
taken down and still not
allowing them.

03:35:07.859 --> 03:35:09.859
>> the evidence is mixed?

03:35:21.344 --> 03:35:23.344
>> yes, sir.

03:35:25.703 --> 03:35:27.703
>> thank you Mr. Austin.

03:35:30.160 --> 03:35:32.109
it is like a new england town
hall meeting.

03:35:35.844 --> 03:35:37.312
It epitomizes what durham is
known for.

03:35:38.470 --> 03:35:39.750
I have friends on both sides of
the question.

03:35:41.656 --> 03:35:43.620
For me, it was not an easy
decision.

03:35:44.219 --> 03:35:46.219
Based on my analysis, I thought

03:35:46.656 --> 03:35:48.656
we came into the meeting, as my

03:35:48.891 --> 03:35:50.891
colleague mentioned, with a high

03:35:53.562 --> 03:35:55.562
bar set to amend the current tax

03:35:56.906 --> 03:35:58.906
amendment to the udo.

03:36:00.470 --> 03:36:02.141
And based about
upon what I heard, i

03:36:13.484 --> 03:36:15.188
don't think that bar was reached
tonight.

03:36:16.531 --> 03:36:18.891
There are lots of ways to
enhance a city but I don't think

03:36:19.500 --> 03:36:21.766
digital billboards play a role
in that.

03:36:21.922 --> 03:36:24.797
Secondly, I feel the people
really have spoken on this
issue.

03:36:26.500 --> 03:36:28.500
In my seven years on council,

03:36:38.406 --> 03:36:40.406
this is certainly the most

03:36:40.484 --> 03:36:42.781
e-mails I've received.
It is a different impact on

03:36:43.312 --> 03:36:45.312
different issues, but this was

03:36:46.391 --> 03:36:48.781
definitely an impact.
There were many groups,

03:36:48.953 --> 03:36:51.297
including the environmental
affairs board, durham planning

03:36:53.310 --> 03:36:54.688
commission with the vote of
12-0.

03:36:55.703 --> 03:36:58.328
And I think as was mentioned,
the durham mention and

03:37:00.000 --> 03:37:02.000
convention bureau conducted a

03:37:02.266 --> 03:37:04.266
poll last fall where they found

03:37:05.141 --> 03:37:07.141
that 72% of the durham citizens

03:37:19.750 --> 03:37:21.984
were against any change in this
ordinance.

03:37:25.719 --> 03:37:28.625
The staff report was thorough in
highlighting why we should not

03:37:29.156 --> 03:37:31.766
move forward with changes.
The fairway is a fine

03:37:33.310 --> 03:37:35.310
corporation, but at least in my

03:37:35.172 --> 03:37:37.172
judgment for fairway, this is

03:37:39.109 --> 03:37:40.672
not the fair way for durham to
proceed.

03:37:41.375 --> 03:37:44.312
Indeed, I would suggest just the
opposite.
That it is the wrong way.

03:37:45.984 --> 03:37:47.641
So I will not be supporting the
text amendment.

03:37:48.922 --> 03:37:51.891
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
>> you're welcome Councilman
Clement.

03:37:51.922 --> 03:37:53.922
Councilman Brown.

03:37:55.470 --> 03:37:57.470
recognize Councilman Clement.

03:37:57.656 --> 03:37:59.656
Again, given each speaker.

03:38:00.562 --> 03:38:01.953
We have given each speaker five
minutes.

03:38:02.594 --> 03:38:05.391
It doesn't count the time that
staff responds.

03:38:07.940 --> 03:38:09.940
If persons need additional three

03:38:09.531 --> 03:38:12.141
minutes we do it as we come back
around.
Recognize Councilman Clement.

03:38:14.312 --> 03:38:16.312
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor.

03:38:17.672 --> 03:38:19.938
One morning I woke up, I
supported change, the next

03:38:22.781 --> 03:38:24.781
morning I woke up, I questioned

03:38:24.984 --> 03:38:26.984
why would I want change.

03:38:41.266 --> 03:38:43.266
the course, hearing the

03:38:43.766 --> 03:38:46.172
discussion tonight made it more
confusing.
This was a good presentation.

03:38:47.266 --> 03:38:49.438
I want to thank all that came
before us expressing their

03:38:49.438 --> 03:38:51.438
views.

03:38:59.891 --> 03:39:01.891
i have two questions.

03:39:02.781 --> 03:39:04.781
What are we going to do with the

03:39:05.453 --> 03:39:08.188
billboard adjacent to the r.
Kelly bridge.

03:39:09.297 --> 03:39:11.266
Mr. Bryant is very concerned
about that.

03:39:11.531 --> 03:39:13.531
Rightly so.

03:39:14.940 --> 03:39:16.940
Dixie whatever it was.

03:39:23.906 --> 03:39:25.906
knife and gun.

03:39:26.780 --> 03:39:28.780
Right there on a bridge we are

03:39:28.375 --> 03:39:30.375
supposed to go out there on the

03:39:31.984 --> 03:39:33.984
16th of December to dedicate.

03:39:36.625 --> 03:39:39.359
our good colleague, a bridge
that earned that designation for

03:39:40.719 --> 03:39:42.719
the work that he's done to help

03:39:44.500 --> 03:39:47.469
make durham be a better place.
Can something be done about
that?

03:39:48.625 --> 03:39:50.625
I don't know who I direct that

03:40:05.141 --> 03:40:08.160
question to.
That is offensive.

03:40:15.719 --> 03:40:18.688
When I saw it upon, I my
chauffeur, mike woodard

03:40:27.469 --> 03:40:30.203
[Laughter] To take me out there.
I saw it coming and going.

03:40:31.938 --> 03:40:34.938
I said my goodness, something
needs to be done about that.

03:40:35.578 --> 03:40:38.160
I want to hear from the folks
that put that sign there, I got

03:40:38.160 --> 03:40:40.160
another question.

03:40:42.344 --> 03:40:43.688
but lewis, if you can answer
that.

03:40:52.940 --> 03:40:54.469
>> [Inaudible].
>> we can't move it.

03:40:56.940 --> 03:40:58.940
With the text amendment, we

03:41:04.812 --> 03:41:07.641
could move it.
>> that means I have to support

03:41:11.172 --> 03:41:13.781
a change in tort -- order to get
that signed move.
>> no.

03:41:14.922 --> 03:41:17.391
>> I don't want to encourage
anything.
Mr. Mayor.

03:41:18.812 --> 03:41:21.940
>> who are you directing your
question to?

03:41:24.266 --> 03:41:26.266
>> well, I see the machine -- 

03:41:26.656 --> 03:41:28.656
the fairway's machine sitting in

03:41:28.734 --> 03:41:30.734
front of me.

03:41:32.469 --> 03:41:33.828
So -- I wish something could be
done.

03:41:36.234 --> 03:41:38.234
Because kelly is very upset

03:41:39.000 --> 03:41:41.000
about having that sign there

03:41:41.812 --> 03:41:44.578
adjacent to a bridge that honors
his work.

03:41:45.547 --> 03:41:47.578
And something needs to be done
about that.

03:41:53.470 --> 03:41:55.719
So the next thing I want to ask,
all due respect to you

03:41:58.620 --> 03:42:00.688
Mr. Hickman, you live in
raleigh.

03:42:09.969 --> 03:42:11.969
wake county.

03:42:12.812 --> 03:42:14.812
It staggers my imagine way you

03:42:15.160 --> 03:42:17.160
came to durham to start this.

03:42:17.844 --> 03:42:19.844
Why not start in wade county?

03:42:20.516 --> 03:42:22.516
That is a question that has

03:42:30.219 --> 03:42:33.156
troubled me.
If it was good enough for durham

03:42:34.359 --> 03:42:36.969
why not start in wade county.
Since I live there, shouldn't

03:42:37.310 --> 03:42:39.310
you have started there.

03:42:48.312 --> 03:42:50.750
i raise that question.
>> you're the most progressive

03:42:55.219 --> 03:42:57.953
city in the pri
triangle.
>> boy, I tell you.

03:43:08.328 --> 03:43:10.328
i'm really flattered.

03:43:10.891 --> 03:43:13.266
The only reason he said that is
because he's telling the truth.

03:43:13.906 --> 03:43:15.734
The fact remains, that question
has come up.

03:43:16.469 --> 03:43:18.469
Why didn't you go to raleigh

03:43:30.516 --> 03:43:32.516
before you came to durham?

03:43:32.547 --> 03:43:34.781
I don't know what I want to do
with this proposal.

03:43:40.620 --> 03:43:41.594
In light of what I heard tonight
ob

03:43:50.141 --> 03:43:51.531
obif you -- obfuscates the whole
process.

03:43:53.297 --> 03:43:55.375
Why you came to durham before
going to wade county.

03:43:55.375 --> 03:43:57.844
[Beep].
>> Councilman Clement.

03:43:58.438 --> 03:44:00.438
Thank you.

03:44:01.516 --> 03:44:04.375
Move to Councilwoman Catotti.
>> thank you, mayor.

03:44:04.844 --> 03:44:07.344
first let me start by thanking
all of you for coming to share

03:44:08.156 --> 03:44:10.156
your views on this issue.

03:44:13.156 --> 03:44:15.156
I want to compliment staff for

03:44:15.625 --> 03:44:17.940
the thorough, well-researched
report.

03:44:17.922 --> 03:44:20.594
As a long time chair of the
joint city council plans, I have

03:44:21.310 --> 03:44:23.141
seen the issue through the
entire time it has been before

03:44:23.141 --> 03:44:25.141
the city.

03:44:26.109 --> 03:44:28.672
i really appreciate the level of
effort that has gone into it.

03:44:30.438 --> 03:44:32.438
Just as clarification, I believe

03:44:33.844 --> 03:44:35.844
on the billboard next to the r.

03:44:36.250 --> 03:44:38.250
Kelly bryant bridge, in fact,

03:44:38.484 --> 03:44:41.156
under the current ordinance,
they can in fact remove it.

03:44:42.359 --> 03:44:43.719
There is nothing to preclude
removal.

03:44:45.620 --> 03:44:46.391
Mr. Attorney, can I confirm
that?

03:44:47.750 --> 03:44:49.750
>> Councilman Catotti are you

03:44:49.766 --> 03:44:51.828
talking about the billboard or
or the message.

03:44:52.859 --> 03:44:54.859
They can take it down is that

03:44:55.703 --> 03:44:57.620
true but not put it up somewhere
else.

03:44:58.310 --> 03:45:00.234
>> if they take it down and
can't put it up.

03:45:01.672 --> 03:45:03.672
>> if this proposed ordinance

03:45:04.141 --> 03:45:06.406
passed, they could put up a
bigger and brighter one.

03:45:08.578 --> 03:45:10.578
keep that in mind.

03:45:11.375 --> 03:45:13.781
>> if we ask questions, the
staff response time doesn't take
time?

03:45:13.781 --> 03:45:16.781
>> that is correct.
>> I would like to ask the city

03:45:18.281 --> 03:45:20.625
manager to comment on the durham
police department's position on

03:45:21.859 --> 03:45:23.859
digital billboards and clarify

03:45:24.422 --> 03:45:26.562
any previous comments made by
the chief.

03:45:28.625 --> 03:45:30.625
>> councilmember catotti.

03:45:30.828 --> 03:45:32.875
Chief lopez is not with us this
even, because he's where he

03:45:35.310 --> 03:45:37.310
should be, celebrating his 35th

03:45:37.141 --> 03:45:38.469
wedding anniversary with his
wife.

03:45:39.344 --> 03:45:41.875
I'm hesitant to speak with him
because he can certainly speak
for himself.

03:45:42.375 --> 03:45:44.375
If you are talking about a

03:45:51.953 --> 03:45:54.625
reference which I think I saw in
one of the reports from the

03:45:55.156 --> 03:45:57.156
proponents of the proposal.

03:45:57.656 --> 03:46:00.156
I believe it was an excerpt from
a crime cabinet meeting.

03:46:01.156 --> 03:46:02.562
I happened to be at that
meeting.

03:46:04.625 --> 03:46:06.531
I think the question was from
Councilman Clement.

03:46:07.266 --> 03:46:09.141
I think something to the effect
of what did the chief think

03:46:11.641 --> 03:46:13.641
about the law enforcement, crime

03:46:14.375 --> 03:46:15.844
fighting perspective of digital
billboards.

03:46:16.641 --> 03:46:19.109
I don't remember exact words.
Paraphrase, he said something

03:46:19.719 --> 03:46:21.719
like he thought digital

03:46:22.160 --> 03:46:24.160
billboards would assist in crime

03:46:24.688 --> 03:46:27.594
fighting and indicated that it
would be another beneficial tool

03:46:28.188 --> 03:46:30.188
for law enforcement.

03:46:30.859 --> 03:46:32.266
which I think is what was
quoted.

03:46:33.391 --> 03:46:35.391
He went on to say that in no way

03:46:35.422 --> 03:46:37.797
should those comments be
construed as the police

03:46:39.438 --> 03:46:41.438
department or he as police chief

03:46:46.375 --> 03:46:48.781
having any pro or con position
about digital billboards.

03:46:53.406 --> 03:46:56.160
i think that reflect s what I
heard.
Several of you were there.

03:46:57.109 --> 03:46:59.109
To simply use the snippet that

03:46:59.250 --> 03:47:01.516
the chief was in first would not
be an accurate statement.

03:47:01.516 --> 03:47:03.516
>> thank you.

03:47:03.828 --> 03:47:05.562
>> other than that, I know the
police department because it

03:47:06.391 --> 03:47:08.797
would come to me, didn't have an
official position about digital

03:47:08.797 --> 03:47:10.766
billboard spoens great.
thank you.

03:47:11.797 --> 03:47:13.672
I had two more questions and
then comments.

03:47:14.438 --> 03:47:16.438
Mr. Attorney, can I comment on

03:47:18.734 --> 03:47:20.734
the number of years the cost and

03:47:20.844 --> 03:47:23.781
nature, previous legal
challenges to our current

03:47:24.780 --> 03:47:26.780
ordinance and also could the

03:47:26.484 --> 03:47:29.250
staff or attorney's office
comment on the recommendation

03:47:30.781 --> 03:47:32.781
noted on page 18 of 23 of the

03:47:33.719 --> 03:47:36.250
staff report regarding the
legally safest alternative is

03:47:39.391 --> 03:47:41.391
not require that PSAs be run.

03:47:43.266 --> 03:47:44.625
If you could address those two
points.

03:47:46.766 --> 03:47:49.620
>> councilmember catotti.
The billboard ordinance occurred

03:47:52.906 --> 03:47:55.641
before my time with the city.
Carolyn was involved

03:47:56.172 --> 03:47:58.172
successfully in that matter.

03:48:00.109 --> 03:48:03.160
As I recall it was three years'
of litigation maybe more.

03:48:03.719 --> 03:48:05.719
Six years -- seven years of

03:48:06.281 --> 03:48:09.250
litigation at a total cost and
probably doesn't count staff

03:48:11.719 --> 03:48:13.719
time of in excess of a million

03:48:27.310 --> 03:48:29.310
dollars of legal fees.

03:48:29.469 --> 03:48:31.469
>> I want to answer your
question about the public

03:48:34.141 --> 03:48:37.109
service announcements.
Legally, we cannot require that

03:48:37.516 --> 03:48:39.516
PSAs be run.

03:48:40.859 --> 03:48:42.859
We can probably go so far as to

03:48:44.359 --> 03:48:46.359
require that some type of public

03:48:47.219 --> 03:48:49.219
safety announcement be run or

03:48:50.391 --> 03:48:52.297
the amber alerts or things
safety related.

03:48:53.703 --> 03:48:55.703
With regard to public service

03:48:56.000 --> 03:48:58.203
announcements or noncommercial
messages, we cannot legally

03:48:59.141 --> 03:49:01.141
require that they be run nor can

03:49:01.766 --> 03:49:04.234
we legally enforce any kind of
requirement with regard to that.

03:49:05.172 --> 03:49:07.703
And I have checked with other
experts on that.

03:49:08.281 --> 03:49:10.578
I have checked with the school
of government on that.

03:49:13.281 --> 03:49:15.281
And I have not found anybody

03:49:15.859 --> 03:49:17.859
who's knowledgeable about

03:49:18.688 --> 03:49:20.688
billboard law who would disagree

03:49:21.328 --> 03:49:23.328
with that.

03:49:25.562 --> 03:49:27.562
>> for further clarification can

03:49:28.438 --> 03:49:30.297
you describe how to regulate
messages posted?

03:49:30.531 --> 03:49:32.531
>> we can't.

03:49:33.620 --> 03:49:36.310
We can't regulate commercial
messages and we can't require

03:49:37.780 --> 03:49:39.780
noncommercial messages.

03:49:39.281 --> 03:49:40.969
so we can't.
>> thank you.

03:49:41.547 --> 03:49:43.547
Just want to note again that in

03:49:44.109 --> 03:49:46.109
my seven years on council that I

03:49:46.719 --> 03:49:48.719
received the most e-mails and

03:49:49.219 --> 03:49:50.891
telephone calls on this single
issue.

03:49:51.984 --> 03:49:53.984
More than a thousand e-mails

03:49:54.620 --> 03:49:55.422
alone over a sustained period of
time.

03:49:57.000 --> 03:49:59.625
Is quite remarkable.
clearly citizen and neighborhood

03:50:00.656 --> 03:50:03.625
input has been overwhelmingly
against changes to this
ordinance.

03:50:04.620 --> 03:50:06.620
I feel strongly that we have

03:50:06.406 --> 03:50:08.406
nothing to gain and much to lose

03:50:08.812 --> 03:50:10.375
if we amend the current sign
ordinance.

03:50:11.438 --> 03:50:14.281
The applicants police to
maintain the existing billboards

03:50:15.812 --> 03:50:17.250
can be met under the current
ordinance.

03:50:19.422 --> 03:50:21.422
we have adequate safety systems

03:50:24.780 --> 03:50:25.422
in place through the amber
alert.

03:50:27.250 --> 03:50:29.328
And including reverse nine nine
one or code red call.

03:50:29.594 --> 03:50:31.594
There is little financial gain

03:50:33.328 --> 03:50:35.328
to be regized if we -- realized

03:50:35.594 --> 03:50:37.594
if we allow a change.

03:50:39.940 --> 03:50:41.940
If we convert to digital

03:50:41.469 --> 03:50:43.375
billboards or 135,000 using
fairway numbers.

03:50:44.844 --> 03:50:46.203
In contrast, the cost could be
large.

03:50:47.875 --> 03:50:50.470
More than $1 million per
billboard in compensation to the

03:50:51.172 --> 03:50:53.172
billboard companies for removal.

03:50:54.422 --> 03:50:57.780
As a city and a community, we
have spent many years and as our

03:50:58.188 --> 03:51:00.940
attorney noted more than a
million dollars on legal

03:51:00.828 --> 03:51:03.359
challenges to this ordinance.
More legal challenges will be

03:51:04.310 --> 03:51:06.828
sure to come if we make changes
to this ordinance.

03:51:08.203 --> 03:51:11.620
If we change the off-premise
sign ordinance, there will

03:51:12.266 --> 03:51:14.875
surely be challenges to the
on-premise sign ordinance.

03:51:15.310 --> 03:51:18.000
Most importantly, we lose the
gains we achieved over the last

03:51:18.406 --> 03:51:20.406
20 years.
Protecting our community from

03:51:21.141 --> 03:51:23.203
further proliferation of
additional signage and visual

03:51:23.203 --> 03:51:25.203
clutter.

03:51:25.844 --> 03:51:28.422
We must be confident in the
ordinance we have in place.

03:51:29.160 --> 03:51:31.516
We have spent many hours
reviewing it and affirmed it as

03:51:33.516 --> 03:51:36.484
part of the unified development
ordinance passed just five years
ago.

03:51:37.719 --> 03:51:39.719
I spent hours, days, months and

03:51:41.297 --> 03:51:43.297
years reviewing the udo.

03:51:43.828 --> 03:51:45.828
i don't want to write new code

03:51:45.969 --> 03:51:48.375
to this in effect.
I urge my colleagues to continue

03:51:49.703 --> 03:51:51.703
to protect the community by

03:51:51.969 --> 03:51:54.734
voting no to any changes to this
ordinance.
Thank you.

03:51:55.938 --> 03:51:57.938
>> recognize Councilman Ali.

03:51:58.875 --> 03:52:00.875
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor.

03:52:01.812 --> 03:52:03.812
I would like to ask a question

03:52:04.484 --> 03:52:06.188
of Mr. Austin.
Excuse me.

03:52:06.922 --> 03:52:09.470
One of the things that I
recognize in the reading about

03:52:10.859 --> 03:52:13.125
the billboards in this teks text
amendment is there is state law

03:52:17.828 --> 03:52:19.828
and there is local ordinances or

03:52:20.859 --> 03:52:23.109
UDOs that councilmember catotti
said she worked on.

03:52:25.234 --> 03:52:27.938
i want to get clarity of who has
supercede in this process.

03:52:29.672 --> 03:52:31.672
I know the ordinance has

03:52:31.812 --> 03:52:34.484
regulation and state law has
regulation.
Sometimes there are issues where

03:52:35.844 --> 03:52:38.547
they come ahead of one another.
Can you clear that up?

03:52:39.547 --> 03:52:41.547
I can tell you where that is.

03:52:42.891 --> 03:52:44.453
>> I can answer, not being an
attorney.

03:52:45.297 --> 03:52:47.766
I understand that this is coming
from the highway beautification

03:52:49.125 --> 03:52:50.531
act that is mentioned, lady bird
johnson.

03:52:51.828 --> 03:52:53.828
That was the federal act, the

03:52:53.859 --> 03:52:56.297
state highway department
regulated the billboards of the

03:52:57.375 --> 03:52:59.375
state of north carolina, based

03:53:00.344 --> 03:53:01.812
on the federal requirements or
limitations.

03:53:02.375 --> 03:53:04.375
And then the city or county

03:53:04.844 --> 03:53:06.844
ordinance would come after that.

03:53:09.219 --> 03:53:12.470
And we're either the state or
federal supercedes, it was

03:53:13.281 --> 03:53:15.281
pointed out, the applicant of

03:53:15.859 --> 03:53:17.594
25%, damage of 50% at the state
and federal.

03:53:18.422 --> 03:53:19.891
That would supercede the local
ordinance.

03:53:20.891 --> 03:53:22.891
>> one of the reasons why I

03:53:23.000 --> 03:53:25.000
question it is I saw some of the
billboards in the presentation

03:53:27.125 --> 03:53:29.828
from both sides May need some
work or beautification or

03:53:29.875 --> 03:53:31.875
whatever that May be.

03:53:33.266 --> 03:53:35.266
I wanted to know, looking at -- 

03:53:36.375 --> 03:53:38.109
not too long ago, we had a keep
america beautiful discussion

03:53:39.312 --> 03:53:42.470
that would we want -- you know,
I heard Mr. Cheeks say we have

03:53:42.470 --> 03:53:45.160
94 billboards.
I have seen that also in the
report.

03:53:45.578 --> 03:53:47.812
some of the billboards May need
some improvement.

03:53:48.891 --> 03:53:51.516
I'm not saying who owns them.
Not here to pass judgment.

03:53:52.828 --> 03:53:55.453
How do we get those fixed?
If they're going to be here, I

03:53:57.125 --> 03:54:00.310
don't want this to be a pro or
anti-issue on the billboard.

03:54:00.797 --> 03:54:02.234
This is about durham being
beautiful.

03:54:03.234 --> 03:54:05.234
If we want them up, what do we

03:54:05.641 --> 03:54:06.969
have to do to get that cleaned
up?

03:54:08.203 --> 03:54:11.470
>> under current requirements,
state law, maintenance can be

03:54:13.781 --> 03:54:15.250
done up to 50% of the worth of
the billboard.

03:54:17.578 --> 03:54:19.578
The state uses the structure as

03:54:20.688 --> 03:54:22.688
50% and the face as 50%.

03:54:23.281 --> 03:54:25.281
As an example.

03:54:28.328 --> 03:54:30.328
while we're working on this, in

03:54:30.859 --> 03:54:32.859
January ora March.

03:54:34.797 --> 03:54:36.797
Sometime in that period a strong

03:54:36.938 --> 03:54:38.938
windstorm came through.

03:54:39.938 --> 03:54:42.000
U.S. 70 bypass two billboard
it's north side.

03:54:44.141 --> 03:54:46.703
One did not have an
advertisement disply on it.

03:54:47.812 --> 03:54:49.812
it was a whiteboard.

03:54:50.141 --> 03:54:51.578
The wind get a hold of the
display.

03:54:52.188 --> 03:54:54.188
Pushed down the white display

03:54:54.547 --> 03:54:57.281
area was sagging, the pose were
fine.
We investigated.

03:54:58.719 --> 03:55:00.719
I actually took photographs of

03:55:01.422 --> 03:55:03.422
it and determined that it was

03:55:03.719 --> 03:55:05.719
less than 51%, which is required

03:55:06.297 --> 03:55:08.531
it coming down under state
ordinance.
the state agreed.

03:55:10.203 --> 03:55:12.672
The sign is there today.
>> so on the beautification of

03:55:15.172 --> 03:55:17.812
the signs, go back to the second
question, one time we have seen

03:55:18.906 --> 03:55:20.906
that it office two poles and it

03:55:21.984 --> 03:55:23.984
was kind of raggedy.

03:55:29.688 --> 03:55:31.688
and we saw another on the metal

03:55:32.828 --> 03:55:34.250
pole with beautification and
landscaping?

03:55:35.359 --> 03:55:36.891
How can we get that
beautification?

03:55:37.422 --> 03:55:39.859
I'm trying to understand the
difference -- this amendment of

03:55:41.234 --> 03:55:43.234
the text amendment has a lot to

03:55:43.938 --> 03:55:46.938
do with digital billboards and
billboards.
So when I was reading this, i

03:55:48.500 --> 03:55:51.438
was trying to say in my mind,
get a clarity of understanding

03:55:52.344 --> 03:55:55.281
if we have the billboards and
they're not maintained, what
will happen?

03:55:56.609 --> 03:55:58.609
Are we hoping they just fall

03:55:58.719 --> 03:56:00.141
over do or do we want them to be
beautiful?

03:56:01.453 --> 03:56:04.453
I'm trying to make sure as a
responsible board, I'm not

03:56:05.281 --> 03:56:07.953
thinking about the digital side,
I'm talking about the
maintenance side.

03:56:08.484 --> 03:56:10.484
There are some billboards that

03:56:11.453 --> 03:56:13.656
are horrible, we need this down.
The text amendment doesn't

03:56:16.469 --> 03:56:19.438
say -- you can tear it down, but
not enough dollars to improve

03:56:20.594 --> 03:56:23.172
it, where improving it would
make it better for people coming

03:56:23.406 --> 03:56:25.406
into durham.

03:56:26.172 --> 03:56:28.469
We can't tell the billboard
companies to destroy it without

03:56:28.844 --> 03:56:30.844
paying them just cause.

03:56:31.484 --> 03:56:33.484
>> they're not conforming uses.

03:56:34.219 --> 03:56:36.219
The purpose of having someone

03:56:36.281 --> 03:56:39.160
declared not conforming use is
to gradually remove it.

03:56:40.828 --> 03:56:43.688
>> how many billboards are we
hoping to yadually remove?

03:56:43.688 --> 03:56:46.562
Is that 46?
>> in the city of durham it

03:56:47.656 --> 03:56:49.656
would be the billboards in the
city of durham and county,

03:56:50.938 --> 03:56:52.500
thoerz the billboards in the
county.

03:56:55.203 --> 03:56:57.406
They're all nonconforming uses
under local ordinance.

03:56:59.438 --> 03:57:01.109
Some are nonconforming under
state law.

03:57:04.250 --> 03:57:06.250
>> so what is the proposal for

03:57:06.609 --> 03:57:08.609
them to go away?

03:57:09.484 --> 03:57:12.160
That they deteriorate?
i'm asking the question -- 

03:57:13.422 --> 03:57:15.516
>> there is not a laid out plan
for it.

03:57:19.484 --> 03:57:21.484
It is a matter of either natural

03:57:21.500 --> 03:57:24.359
causes or lack of maintenance
until the state declares they

03:57:30.000 --> 03:57:32.000
could not have a permit.
>> thank you.

03:57:33.812 --> 03:57:35.812
on the other question I had was

03:57:37.281 --> 03:57:40.281
on page 18 of your report.
I was looking for it with the

03:57:40.406 --> 03:57:42.375
attorney and other council
members.

03:57:43.922 --> 03:57:45.922
I saw at the bottom of page 617

03:57:45.984 --> 03:57:47.984
you talk about the legal issues.

03:57:49.688 --> 03:57:51.688
Then we move up to the top of

03:57:51.750 --> 03:57:53.750
18, it says the unlikely for the

03:57:53.922 --> 03:57:56.734
billboard provisions of durham
will be subject to further
challenge.

03:57:57.969 --> 03:57:59.969
I know we talked about there

03:58:00.766 --> 03:58:02.766
being a legal regress or if we

03:58:03.310 --> 03:58:04.406
vote one way there be legal
actions.

03:58:06.141 --> 03:58:08.141
I want clarity of where the risk

03:58:08.406 --> 03:58:10.234
is in that phase.
>> I'm sorry.

03:58:11.281 --> 03:58:13.781
>> May be aerz for me to answer
that question.

03:58:15.141 --> 03:58:17.141
the gist eye think what that
particular sentence is referring

03:58:19.219 --> 03:58:21.219
to is the fact that this

03:58:21.812 --> 03:58:24.160
particular ordinance has with
stood legal changes.

03:58:25.620 --> 03:58:26.688
It went all the way up to the
U.S. Supreme court.

03:58:28.797 --> 03:58:31.625
The likelihood that it is going
to be challenged again doesn't

03:58:33.203 --> 03:58:36.000
seem to be very high, given the
fact that there has already been

03:58:36.562 --> 03:58:38.562
a decision on it.

03:58:38.875 --> 03:58:41.844
It would be -- I suppose you
could try to challenge it again,

03:58:42.938 --> 03:58:44.938
but we would certainly use the

03:58:45.516 --> 03:58:47.516
case file already there as

03:58:47.750 --> 03:58:50.281
precedent for the fact of the
matter that the issue has

03:58:54.780 --> 03:58:56.719
already been decided.
>> thank you.

03:59:06.310 --> 03:59:08.310
Thank you.

03:59:08.625 --> 03:59:10.625
>> do you have a comment in.

03:59:13.969 --> 03:59:16.375
>> actually, 1125 in the sign
ordinance, design construction,

03:59:16.375 --> 03:59:19.141
maintenance.
Permanent sign shall be

03:59:19.578 --> 03:59:21.578
maintained in good condition,

03:59:21.812 --> 03:59:23.812
shall be kept free of cracked

03:59:24.250 --> 03:59:26.250
peeling pain, missing design

03:59:27.656 --> 03:59:29.953
panels or support, we'ds grass,
vegetation that obscures the

03:59:29.953 --> 03:59:32.922
sign.
So they should be maintained,

03:59:42.672 --> 03:59:45.172
even if they are not conforming.
>> thank you.

03:59:45.172 --> 03:59:47.172
>> we are -- 

03:59:50.310 --> 03:59:52.310
>> Councilman Clement.

03:59:52.780 --> 03:59:54.781
I was getting ready to speak.
We're going around.
>> go ahead.

03:59:56.109 --> 03:59:58.109
i'll let you speak.

03:59:59.141 --> 04:00:01.141
>> thank you.

04:00:01.188 --> 04:00:03.312
The process is everyone has five
minutes and we'll come back

04:00:04.578 --> 04:00:06.940
around for three minutes.
>> ok.

04:00:07.594 --> 04:00:09.453
>> I haven't had a chance to
speak.

04:00:10.297 --> 04:00:12.297
Normally, people tend to be

04:00:13.310 --> 04:00:14.422
resistant to change for whatever
reason.

04:00:15.969 --> 04:00:18.797
And generally in public hearings
such as this there is pro side

04:00:19.938 --> 04:00:21.938
and opponent side.

04:00:21.969 --> 04:00:23.969
Typically the proponent is

04:00:24.234 --> 04:00:26.578
advancing their case as to why
the change they're requesting is

04:00:26.578 --> 04:00:29.312
good.
The opponents are giving their

04:00:30.470 --> 04:00:32.470
reason why.

04:00:32.780 --> 04:00:34.281
If you sk advance the change,
there be harm.

04:00:34.547 --> 04:00:37.219
That doesn't always happen.
You saw some public hearing

04:00:38.281 --> 04:00:39.750
tonight where there was no
opposition.

04:00:40.656 --> 04:00:43.620
We had proponents, no
opposition, we move forward.

04:00:44.297 --> 04:00:46.859
I'm always concerned about that
person who feels they're going

04:00:48.000 --> 04:00:50.000
to be harmed whether it is

04:00:50.391 --> 04:00:52.391
perception or reality.

04:00:52.938 --> 04:00:54.938
So the question I have, really

04:00:55.203 --> 04:00:57.531
is not what happens if we
change, the question I would

04:00:59.780 --> 04:01:01.780
like the staff to respond to and

04:01:01.234 --> 04:01:03.234
I would like the proponents to

04:01:03.812 --> 04:01:06.172
respond to, to me, two groups
impacted by this proposed

04:01:06.172 --> 04:01:09.141
ordinance.
The people who own the

04:01:10.160 --> 04:01:11.391
billboards, and the city of
durham.

04:01:13.219 --> 04:01:15.219
So the question I have for the

04:01:15.984 --> 04:01:17.984
staff is what harm, in your

04:01:20.188 --> 04:01:22.188
opinion, occurs to the owners of

04:01:22.391 --> 04:01:24.391
the billboards, the city of

04:01:26.625 --> 04:01:28.172
durham if the ordinance is not
changed.

04:01:31.620 --> 04:01:33.620
What harm do you think will

04:01:35.281 --> 04:01:37.281
result to the openers and city

04:01:38.609 --> 04:01:41.344
of durham if we don't change the
ordinance?
>> under the current ordinance,

04:01:42.875 --> 04:01:45.422
they would be allowed to
maintain up to 50% of the value

04:01:48.160 --> 04:01:50.688
of the billboard and keep the -- 
>> my question is what harm.

04:01:51.625 --> 04:01:53.625
I'm trying to understand what

04:01:54.125 --> 04:01:56.125
harm do you think would come to

04:01:56.234 --> 04:01:57.625
persons if we don't make the
change?

04:01:58.969 --> 04:02:01.531
The people I'm talking about be
are the city of durham and

04:02:01.641 --> 04:02:04.469
billboard owners.
What harms do you think they

04:02:04.469 --> 04:02:06.469
would incur.

04:02:06.906 --> 04:02:09.906
>> only thing I can identify is
they're not able to relocate or

04:02:11.344 --> 04:02:13.344
reconstruct the billboards or

04:02:14.609 --> 04:02:16.609
convert under state ordinance

04:02:16.844 --> 04:02:18.844
because if our ordinance make

04:02:19.578 --> 04:02:21.578
its nonconforming and require

04:02:21.656 --> 04:02:24.219
building permit under state law,
it is not conforming.

04:02:24.250 --> 04:02:27.188
>> what about the city of
durham, what harm would the city

04:02:27.766 --> 04:02:29.766
of durham incur if the ordinance

04:02:38.297 --> 04:02:41.203
is not changed?
>> seriously nop not trying to

04:02:41.734 --> 04:02:44.406
dodge your question.
Honestly I can't think of any

04:02:45.344 --> 04:02:47.344
harm the city would suffer by

04:02:47.578 --> 04:02:49.160
retaining the existing
ordinance.

04:02:50.281 --> 04:02:52.750
In fact, as indicated in the
presentation, the ordinance has

04:02:53.125 --> 04:02:56.125
served the city well for the
last 20-plus years.

04:02:56.625 --> 04:02:58.625
If anything we found the

04:02:59.891 --> 04:03:01.891
ordinance works well.

04:03:01.953 --> 04:03:04.234
in terms of the application,
working with the industry.

04:03:08.359 --> 04:03:10.359
Really no issues come up with

04:03:11.641 --> 04:03:13.641
that obviously, the impact would

04:03:15.312 --> 04:03:16.844
be, you know you just do a quick
inventory.

04:03:17.703 --> 04:03:19.703
Obviously the increase in

04:03:19.875 --> 04:03:21.875
investment, there would be a

04:03:22.453 --> 04:03:24.453
slight decrease in tax revenue

04:03:24.641 --> 04:03:26.641
that would be a ramification of

04:03:28.812 --> 04:03:30.812
not adopting the ordinance.

04:03:31.391 --> 04:03:32.781
Beyond that, I don't know of
anything.

04:03:34.250 --> 04:03:36.859
>> same question of the
proponents.
What I'm trying to understand,

04:03:37.531 --> 04:03:40.469
with the existing ordinance we
have and not changed, what harm

04:03:41.594 --> 04:03:44.438
do you think the billboard
industry would incur, likewise,

04:03:45.938 --> 04:03:47.938
what harm do you think the city

04:03:49.672 --> 04:03:51.672
of durham would incur?

04:03:52.844 --> 04:03:54.406
>> if the change is made for the
city of durham?

04:04:02.891 --> 04:04:05.688
>> if it is not made.
>> I honestly don't know that

04:04:05.953 --> 04:04:07.953
there is harm to the city of

04:04:08.310 --> 04:04:09.359
durham if the change is not
made.

04:04:10.219 --> 04:04:12.219
>> what harm is made to the

04:04:13.469 --> 04:04:15.469
owners of the billboard?

04:04:15.859 --> 04:04:18.500
>> I think the harm to the
billboard industry if the change

04:04:19.469 --> 04:04:21.469
is not made is the inability to

04:04:21.609 --> 04:04:24.141
do the things that we have
proposed to do.

04:04:27.250 --> 04:04:29.250
that is to upgrade, to move out

04:04:29.406 --> 04:04:31.375
of the residential areas, to
provide the separation we talked

04:04:32.547 --> 04:04:35.547
about providing.
To dot additional things we

04:04:37.922 --> 04:04:39.312
think makes durham a better
place.

04:04:41.160 --> 04:04:43.160
>> let me ask one of the

04:04:47.734 --> 04:04:50.328
questions of the staff.
>> part of your reports, I have

04:04:50.328 --> 04:04:52.328
gone through the reports.

04:04:53.328 --> 04:04:55.938
I have a lot of questions, but I
won't get into those.

04:04:56.875 --> 04:04:59.703
One question you did raise,
which I would have hoped you

04:05:00.969 --> 04:05:02.969
would quantify more, concerns of

04:05:03.406 --> 04:05:05.406
financial impact on staffing.

04:05:05.984 --> 04:05:08.780
in the event that the proposed
ordinance was changed.

04:05:17.156 --> 04:05:19.156
You list a lot of things.

04:05:19.797 --> 04:05:21.594
Can you you translate that to
dollars.

04:05:22.703 --> 04:05:24.703
What is the staffing impact with

04:05:30.672 --> 04:05:32.672
the proposed change?

04:05:34.578 --> 04:05:36.938
>> one of the reason staff did
not delve into that in terms of

04:05:40.578 --> 04:05:42.344
the impact is the impact of the
inspections department and

04:05:43.547 --> 04:05:45.344
several other departments that
come into play.

04:05:47.484 --> 04:05:49.891
you are looking at the one
additional full-time equivalency

04:05:51.219 --> 04:05:53.219
to staff, inspect, and monitor

04:05:54.310 --> 04:05:56.000
the program at least for the
initial period of time.

04:05:57.391 --> 04:05:59.391
Once it is established that you

04:05:59.562 --> 04:06:01.938
can back down, certainly I don't
think you're looking at any more

04:06:03.797 --> 04:06:05.734
than the equivalency of the
full-time employee.

04:06:07.000 --> 04:06:09.000
>> are you saying -- 

04:06:09.469 --> 04:06:11.484
>> plus equipment, vehicle,
training, yes.

04:06:12.375 --> 04:06:14.812
>> well, see I think it is
important when we have these

04:06:16.578 --> 04:06:19.453
kind of discussions and you'd
raise them as an impact to give

04:06:20.891 --> 04:06:23.625
a list of things that have to be
done and not quantify what it

04:06:25.656 --> 04:06:27.656
means in terms of dollars.

04:06:30.703 --> 04:06:33.594
it does a disservice to you and
council.
I would have preferred you to

04:06:34.234 --> 04:06:36.234
say here are the things that

04:06:36.938 --> 04:06:38.938
have to help but here is the

04:06:39.109 --> 04:06:40.609
dollar impact to the council or
administration.

04:06:43.470 --> 04:06:45.470
You don't have that number.

04:06:46.780 --> 04:06:48.780
>> I'm going to move back to the

04:06:49.109 --> 04:06:51.312
council persons for three-minute
comments they might have.

04:06:52.484 --> 04:06:54.781
I will move in order that we
started.
Recognize first the mayor pro

04:07:03.500 --> 04:07:05.500
tem.

04:07:05.562 --> 04:07:07.266
I have questions on jobs
generated.

04:07:07.969 --> 04:07:09.969
this is my 30 term.

04:07:12.875 --> 04:07:14.875
I have never seen the outpour of

04:07:14.906 --> 04:07:16.938
passion on one issue that I have
seen for this.

04:07:19.160 --> 04:07:21.160
I wish that we had the same kind

04:07:21.906 --> 04:07:23.906
of passion for how we're going

04:07:24.719 --> 04:07:26.156
to stop our kids from hurting
each other.

04:07:28.188 --> 04:07:30.188
At some point, I want to see

04:07:30.594 --> 04:07:32.594
this place filled with people

04:07:33.594 --> 04:07:35.500
who really have a passion for
our children.

04:07:36.922 --> 04:07:38.969
I think durham would be a better
place.

04:07:39.625 --> 04:07:41.391
Billboards cannot define who we
are.

04:07:42.766 --> 04:07:44.766
I have listened to comments from

04:07:46.500 --> 04:07:49.375
my colleagues on the sdwroint
city-county planning commission
where I serve.

04:07:50.516 --> 04:07:52.516
i have read the planning

04:07:53.750 --> 04:07:55.750
commission's remarks.

04:07:59.250 --> 04:08:01.250
I have read 1 million e-mails,

04:08:01.859 --> 04:08:03.281
it seems.
[Chuckling].

04:08:04.922 --> 04:08:06.922
I have heard telephone messages,

04:08:08.940 --> 04:08:10.940
even while I was on vacation.

04:08:11.734 --> 04:08:13.734
i listened and heard comments

04:08:14.234 --> 04:08:16.234
from advisory committees which I

04:08:16.531 --> 04:08:18.531
hold in high esteem.

04:08:19.609 --> 04:08:21.609
I have listened to assessments

04:08:22.906 --> 04:08:24.906
from staff and they have done an

04:08:25.344 --> 04:08:27.172
outstanding job.
Thanks, to you.

04:08:28.578 --> 04:08:30.578
I have weighed the allegations

04:08:33.188 --> 04:08:35.953
and promises and the real facts
about this issue.

04:08:38.984 --> 04:08:40.984
And at this juncture, I can find

04:08:42.125 --> 04:08:44.125
no compelling reason, no

04:08:44.391 --> 04:08:45.797
compelling reason to change the
ordinance.

04:08:47.969 --> 04:08:50.625
So I will not be supporting an
amendment change.

04:08:54.641 --> 04:08:56.203
>> you recognize Councilman
Woodard.

04:08:57.375 --> 04:08:59.375
Councilman Brown?

04:08:59.906 --> 04:09:01.906
Recognize Councilman Clement.

04:09:20.359 --> 04:09:22.359
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor.

04:09:23.620 --> 04:09:25.620
>> I don't mean to belabor this.

04:09:25.500 --> 04:09:27.500
I want clarity on what to do

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about that billboard out there.

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i found it offensive.

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I didn't get clarity on the
remedy.

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But something needs to be done.

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I wanted to leave here tonight

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knowing that something will be

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done to cure what I call a

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defect to allow that offensive

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billboard to stay out there on

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15 -- out there where the

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symbolism of that bridge to
bring communities together on

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one hand and to have that
billboard out there talking

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about what they talking about,

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knives and guns.

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There is -- there is -- it just

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doesn't make sense.
Mr. Mayor, I want to know what

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can be done to change that?

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I was hoping that the folks from

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fairway would get up and say we
will move that thing first thing

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in the morning.
I'm still waiting to hear that

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kind of response.

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But that needs to be done.

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i throw it out there for

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discussion and res nan because

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it is like the writer sent me an

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e-mail about this.

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The billboard is at the north

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end of the bridge.

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There is a callous disregard for

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the callousness of durham.

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And what we can expect if the

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existing ordinance is repealed.
That is a profound statement.

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How do we respond to that?

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I'm waiting for -- I hope when I

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leave here tonight, I would like

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to know, are we going to do
something about it?

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just to think that that sign

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will be up there on

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September 16th when we dedicate

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that bridge, to the life work of

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r. Kelly-bryant, junior.
I'm offended by that.

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What will we do about it?
>> Councilman Clement.

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The attorney can speak to it,
the staff can speak to it.

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Under the existing ordinance, as
far as I understand, there is

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nothing to do about it.
It is owned by people that own

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the billboard.
They have a right to post

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whatever they want to post.

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We can't make them take it down.

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Can't make them remove the
billboard.

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As far as I know there is
nothing we as a council to do

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about that.

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if it is I would like the staff

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or city attorney to respond.

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>> Mr. Mayor, I concur with your
assessment.

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>> that being the case, that

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closes the council comments,
debate on matters is back before

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the council.
Entertain a motion on the item
before us.

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>> Mr. Mayor, I will move the

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item with the intention of
voting no.

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>> properly moved and seconded.

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Any questions on the motion?
Hearing that, I will call the

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question.

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madam clerk, open the vote.

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I did not tell the clerk to
close the vote, I told her to

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open the vote.

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You have the opportunity to
vote.

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[Cheers and applause].
>> Madam Clerk?

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>> mayor bell, the motion fails
0-7.
>> thank you.

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Are there any other items to
come before the council?

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If not the council is adjourned