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thank you.
>> good afternoon, good evening.

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we would like to call the durham
city council meeting to order,

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monday, May 3rd, 7:01 P.M.
I want to welcome all of you

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here this evening.
We'll take a moment for silent

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meditation, please.

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[Moment of silence taken.]
>> ask Councilman Clement to

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lead us in the pledge.

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>> let's all rise.

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[Reciting U.S. Pledge]

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madam
Madam Clerk

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Madam Clerk, would you call the
roll.

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[Roll call]

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>> we have several proclamations
to present this evening.

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The first one is my

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proclamation, older americans
month.

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sara olden.
Hereas,the month of May has

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been designated by the united
states congress as older

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americans' month; and whereas,
durham is a community that

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includes citizens aged 55 or
better as older americans; and

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whereas,the older adults in
durham are among our most

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"
treasured resources,"
united by

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historical experiences,

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strengthened by diversity, and

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interpreting events through
varied perspectives and

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backgrounds to bring wisdom and
insight to our community; and

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whereas,increasing numbers of
adults are reaching retirement

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age and remaining strong and
active for longer than ever
before; and whereas,the older

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americans in durham deserve
recognition for the

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contributions they have made and
will continue to make to the

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culture, economy and character
of our community, state and
nation; and whereas,our

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community will continue to
provide the recognition and

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respect by improving the quality
of life for older americans; and

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whereas,durham parks and
recreation hosted the durham

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senior games on April 18-May 2

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for nearly 200 mature adults
ages 55 or better and they had

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the opportunity to exemplify the
older americans month theme,

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"
age strong! Live long!"
; and

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whereas,we urge every citizen
to take time this month to honor

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our older adults and the
professionals, family members

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and volunteers who care for many

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of them.
Our recognition and involvement

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of older americans can enrich
our entire community's quality
of life.
Now, therefore, I, william v.

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"
bill"
bell, mayor of the city
of durham, north carolina, do

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hereby proclaim May 2010 as
"
older americans month"
in

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durham, and hereby urge all
citizens to take special note of

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this observance.

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Witness my hand and the
corporate seal of the city of
durham, north carolina, this 3rd

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day of May 2010.

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>> I would like to present this

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for any comments you might have.

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[Applause]

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>> as Councilman Clement says be
seen, be brief.

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i'm sara hogan recreation
manager for the durham

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recreation department.
Several folks that came tonight

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just be be recognized.
I'm glad they had the
opportunity to stand.

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May is older american's month.
We have celebrations for the

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month.
I brought a list of those.

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I won't bore you with the list.
I want to put it at the back of

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the room to pick up and hand to

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t to the council folks and they
can consider themselves
available.

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Lots going on, love you to join
us.

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My name is sara hogan.

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I can be reached at the main
parks and recreation office.

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thanks again.

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>> you see us older americans

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stumbling, it is because I'm old

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and I don't have my glasses.
>> this is a very important

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proclamation, moving into an
area, or time of the year when a

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year or so ago, we were
experiencing a drought.

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This is the fact that water is

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an initial need of mankind.
Whereas,water is a basic and
essential need of mankind; and

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whereas,our health, comfort,
standard of living and economic
viability depend upon an

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adequate supply of safe, clean
water; and whereas,the city of
durham has been a leader in

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source water management and
protection; and whereas,the
city and its employees are

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committed to producing high
quality drinking water for our

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customers; and whereas,the city
of durham will continue to

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expand its water conservation

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ethic and continue to utilize
the lessons learned from recent

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historic droughts; and whereas,
changing climate and global

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warming May impact the
availability of our precious

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natural resources; and whereas,
our drinking water and water

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resources are undervalued; and
whereas,dedicated individuals

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and organizations-such as city
employees, industry leaders,

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scientists, environmentalists
and students-have made

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significant contributions in
developing, operating and

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maintaining these systems;

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protecting and conserving this

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precious resource and educating
the public on the value of this
resource.

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Now, therefore, I, william v.
"
bill"
bell, mayor of the city

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of durham, north carolina, do
hereby proclaim May 2-8, 2010,

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as drinking water week in durham
and urge all citizens to join me

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as a partner in the "
durham
saves water"

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campaign, and to
pledge to embrace a water

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conservation ethic to extend the

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life of our most precious
natural resource.

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Witness my hand and the
corporate seal of the city of

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durham, north carolina, this 3rd
day of May 2010.

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i would like to ask vicki

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westwood to come.
>> we want to thank everyone for

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coming out tonight and helping
us recognize the benefit of

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pure, safe drinking water.

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i want to thank city council,
city administration, staff and

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our citizens for helping us
preserve this resource.

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Making it available, as mayor

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bell said, moving forward and

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dryer times, making sure it is

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always there for us as we need
it.

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It is not only the people that
reserve the water at the

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watershed and protect it on that
end, it is the water treatment

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plant operators, water
distribution folks, the guys

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that show up in the middle of

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the night, weekends, holidays to
repair the water main breaks and

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all the other things they do to
protect water.

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We would like to thank you on

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behalf of don greeley, the one

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who is absent and others, thank

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you for recognizing this is

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water drinking week and ask you

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to empress the initiatives -- 
embrace the initiatives of the
past.

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We want to recognize our poster

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contest winners.

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>> this is wayne gross.

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[Chuckling].

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Good evening, everyone.

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Every year, the department of
water management hosts a water

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poster contest.

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this year, the theme was "every
drop counts."

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we received 133 posters.

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Tonight, we will recognize six

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winners in two grade divisions.

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In grade three through five
category, third place winner is

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vernisha thomas.
Unfortunately, she could not be

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here tonight.
[Applause]

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ordinary care -- oh, she is.

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I'm sorry.

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our second place winner is...
kristin mela from durham

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academy.

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[Applause]

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>> and first place also from

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durham academy, ian laser.

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[Applause]

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We have two stuck together.
[Chuckling].

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sorry about that.

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In grades 6-8, third place

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winner was jamar bulla from

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communitia
y
ia
y

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ia -- khumia middle
school.

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Jamar couldn't join us.

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We have second place, natalie

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liller from [Inaudible] Academy
[Applause]

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>> and in first place, keel
jones, also from voyager

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academy.
[Applause]

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>> these six winners all were

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entered into the statewide

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contest sponsored by the north

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carolina water environment ass
association.

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And we have winners in the state
level.

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First place went to vernishia

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thomas.

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[Applause]

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Second place went to kristin

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mela.
Surprisingly, first place went

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to ian laser.

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also in grade six true eight,

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third place to jamar butta.

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Second place to natalie willis.

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and first place, keel jones.
We would like to congratulate

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all our winners on winning the
local and statewide competition.

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All the posters are in display
in the city hall lobby and will

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be available on the web as well.

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[Applause]

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>> this will be memorializing

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persons with authority, police
week memorial day.

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Would like to ask Mr. William

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evans, the President Of the
durham county fraternal order to

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join me and chief jose lopez.

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the picture picture reads...
Hereas,the congress and

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President Of the united states
have designated May 15th as
peace officers' memorial

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day -- and the week in which it
falls as national police week;

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and whereas,the officers of the
durham police department play an

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essential role safeguarding the
rights and freedom of the

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citizens of durham; and
whereas,it is important that

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our citizens are aware of and
understand the dangers and

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problems encountered and the
duties and responsibilities
incurred by their law

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enforcement officers; and
whereas,it is equally important

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that our law enforcement
officers recognize their duty to

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serve the people by
safeguarding life and property,

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protecting them against violence
or disorder, and by protecting

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the innocent against deception
and the weak against oppression

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or intimidation; and whereas,
the men and women of the durham

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police department unceasingly
provide a vital public service.

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Now, therefore, I, william v.
"
bill"
bell, mayor of the city

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of durham, north carolina, do
hereby proclaim the week of May

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9-15, 2010 as "
police week"
and

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May 7, 2010 as "
peace officers'

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memorial day"
in durham, and
call upon our citizen to join in

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commemorating law enforcement
officers, past and present, who

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have rendered a dedicated

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service to their community.
I encourage our citizens to
attend the peace officers'

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memorial day service on May 7th
at 11:00 A.M. At duke memorial
united methodist church, 504

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west chapel hill street, to
honor those peace officers who

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have lost their lives or have
become disabled in the line of

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duty.

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Witness my hand and the
corporate seal of the city of

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durham, north carolina, this 3rd
day of May 2010.

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I would like to present this to
the gentlemen for any comments
you might have.

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>> thank you very much.

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I hope the community does come

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out to join us for the memorial

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celebration at united methodist
church.

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i want to thank you all for your

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prayers and thoughts regarding
these police officers, as they

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do sometimes the unimaginable,
trying to protect you.

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Thank you.

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>> also like to thank you for

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the fraternal order of police.

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The event will be friday across
the street from the police

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headquarters.
[Applause]
>> would like to ask the city

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manager to join me, please.

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This is public service
recognition week.

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The proclamation reads...
Whereas,americans are served
every single day by public

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service workers at the federal,
state, county and city levels.
These unsung heroes do the work

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that keeps our nation working;
and whereas,public employees
take not only jobs, but oaths;

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and whereas,many public service
workers, including military

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personnel, police officers,
firefighters, border patrol

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officers, embassy employees,
health care professionals and

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others, risk their lives each
day in service to the people of

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the united states and around the
world; and whereas,public

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service workers include
teachers, doctors and

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scientists train conductors and
astronauts nurses and safety

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inspectors laborers, computer
technicians and social

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workers and countless other

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occupations.
Day in and day out they provide

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the diverse services demanded by
the american people of their
government with efficiency and

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integrity; and whereas,the city
of durham has initiated a
"
culture of service"
program to

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better serve the durham
community by committing to the

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principles of responsiveness,

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accountability, professionalism,

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cooperation, and collaboration
in order to make a difference in

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the lives of durham residents;
and whereas,without these

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public service workers at every
level, continuity would be

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impossible in a democracy that
regularly changes its leaders

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and elected officials.

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Now, therefore, I, william v.
"
bill"
bell, mayor of the city

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of durham, north carolina, do
hereby proclaim May 3-9, 2010,

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as "
public service recognition
week"
in durham, and hereby urge

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all citizens to take special
note of this observance by

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recognizing the accomplishments

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and contributions of government
employees at all levels-
federal,

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state, county and city.
Witness my hand and the

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corporate seal of the city of
durham, north carolina, this 3rd
day of May 2010.

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i would like to present this to
the city manager for any

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comments he May have.

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>> thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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If I could ask all the city
employees that are with us to

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stand.

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It is my distinct honor to
receive and accept this

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proclamation on behalf of all

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the employees that are here this

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evening and other 2,200 or so
city employees that are truly

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proud of being in the profession
of public service and more

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importantly, proud to have the
opportunity to serve the

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citizens of durham and make a
difference in this committee

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everyday we come to work.

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Thank you very much.

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[Applause]

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>> I would like to take a point

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of personal privilege this

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evening, to ask joe bushman to

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come to the podium to my left.

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Joe, as many of you know has

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been very involved with dan
hill.
Is he hill.

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It would be appropriate for him
to come with you.

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And development over in
northeast central durham.

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Joe called me last week and
asked if he could have the

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opportunity to just come and
thank the city council.

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I want to make it clear that he
made the request.

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I didn't ask him to come.

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I know the hearing is coming on.
I'm very impressed with the work

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he's done in the community.
I'm sure most of us are.

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He did ask if he could come and
take a few minutes to

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acknowledge the city council and

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tell us what he's been doing.

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>> good day, all.
I want to say thank you.

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First of all, thank God for my

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loving wife, dan hill, pat

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harris, billy keith, my team,

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the institute dis-dickey nam an

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I have tol tool.

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Chief lopez.

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It has been a collected effort
up there.

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As you know, a very interesting
community.

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and I have been around the

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world, but there is only one
durham [Chuckling] There is only

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one durham.
Anything is possible.

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You know, and with this

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community, it is rare what it
takes is to get love,

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understanding and unconditional.

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This project we have been

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working on for two years and two
months now.

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This is the workforce and my
team.

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it has been a battle.

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It has been well worth it, well
deserving.

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I want to say thank you to them

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as well, without wendy and kevin
Mcdonald.

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And -- but pat harris.

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She's been pat harris has been a

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major force, dan hill, he's

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around here somewhere.

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Yeah.
Outstanding.

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I call him dad, he's very, very

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influential in terms of

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knowledge and been behind me a
thousand%.

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I mean, a thousand%.
Chris dickey.

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I was struggling, I had the vote

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of chris, we talked with chris
wallace.

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I have outstanding people around
me.

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I used to talk to magic johnson

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and he was basically like you
surround yourself with good

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people, a good team, you can

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prevail, you can do anything.

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The same measures we try to

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display on the corner of an
drian drive.

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Because you come from a negative
environment you don't have to be

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negative.

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I come from probably an area

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much worse than them in rocks
bury.
I never thought in a million

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years I would be in the position
I am in now.

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It is because of you all, giving

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me the opportunity to come forth

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and display these measures.
I really want to say thank you,

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i appreciate you all.

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You want to say something?

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I don't want to take all the

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credit, it's been a team,
collective effort.

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>> I am patricia harris,

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principal of the harris
collaborative.

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we're the development assistant

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and architects on the project.

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We would welcome the opportunity

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to come to your worksessions and

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give you a much more detailed

00:23:21.656 --> 00:23:23.656
overview to what it took to come

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and do commercial development in

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the area of the city that

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perhaps has not had this much
activity in terms of this type

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of development.
We have had housing development

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a lot.

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But to try to get a -- as we

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called it with the cityplace

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development, the old city

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municipal garage, we called it a

00:23:55.281 --> 00:23:57.281
fire starter, in the good sense

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of the word, fire starter.

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Now we have durham central park.

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That is projects that turned the
old municipal garage into

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cityplace, had a major impact on
development following into that
area.

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And we believe that this project

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is very similar in nature.

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And we would really appreciate

00:24:21.484 --> 00:24:24.312
the opportunity to give you an
overview on it and much more

00:24:25.422 --> 00:24:27.891
detailed way, both in the
economics, the team structure,

00:24:28.422 --> 00:24:30.422
how we had to approach this,

00:24:31.453 --> 00:24:33.453
which May have been a little bit

00:24:33.953 --> 00:24:36.562
different than building and
developing and some other

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neighborhoods and towns.
For your future use, for when

00:24:42.938 --> 00:24:45.609
other developers and business
owners come forward and also, we

00:24:46.141 --> 00:24:48.141
would like to be able to show

00:24:49.375 --> 00:24:50.734
you what we have done with your
funds.

00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.160
Thank you.

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[Applause]

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>> it doesn't do you justice in
this short amount of time.

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i would ask that you come to one
of our worksessions.

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The manager can arrange for
that.
They're on thursdays.

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Do you have a comment?

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>> I just want to thank you for
coming to say thank you.

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It does mean a lot.
Because we do try to make the

00:25:26.109 --> 00:25:29.780
right decisions.
So thank you!
For being generous to say thank

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you.

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Ren recognize Councilman
Woodard.
>> thank you to joe and for a

00:25:41.219 --> 00:25:44.620
few more pounds.
Those are the best hot dogs in

00:25:45.310 --> 00:25:47.266
durham now, I would say.
I understand there is something

00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.000
else opening there.
I don't want to steal anybody's
thunder.

00:25:51.562 --> 00:25:54.469
you have another opening?
>> yes, opening up a grocery

00:25:58.470 --> 00:26:00.470
store and the internet cafe to

00:26:02.375 --> 00:26:04.812
help win the diplomacy level.
It is not a sweepstakes.

00:26:05.312 --> 00:26:07.422
It is a learning tool.
>> the trust grocery store opens

00:26:07.422 --> 00:26:09.625
next week.
>> they have a soft opening

00:26:09.625 --> 00:26:11.625
May 5th.

00:26:12.719 --> 00:26:15.688
and grand opening on the 13th.
>> thank you.

00:26:18.734 --> 00:26:20.734
[Applause]

00:26:21.297 --> 00:26:23.297
>> one more thing, we're not

00:26:24.172 --> 00:26:26.906
serving no alcohol, tobacco.
None of these establishments,

00:26:28.141 --> 00:26:30.780
we're trying to get some clarity
down there.

00:26:30.641 --> 00:26:32.641
I appreciate y'all's time.

00:26:39.516 --> 00:26:41.953
thank you.
Recognize Councilman Clement.

00:26:42.625 --> 00:26:44.625
>> I'm glad to hear about

00:26:47.750 --> 00:26:49.750
tobacco and alcohol, thank you.

00:26:50.219 --> 00:26:52.219
But I just couldn't let this

00:26:53.188 --> 00:26:55.828
moment go by without recognizing
dan hill.

00:27:00.203 --> 00:27:02.203
Dan hill sat up on this dais for

00:27:03.703 --> 00:27:05.141
a lock
ng time.

00:27:07.470 --> 00:27:09.470
I want to recognize him for the

00:27:09.109 --> 00:27:10.484
role that he played in your
program.

00:27:12.141 --> 00:27:13.953
And I don't want that to be
overlooked.

00:27:17.953 --> 00:27:19.781
dan hill, a spring to the joe
bush fan operation.

00:27:21.922 --> 00:27:23.922
Dan, stand up.

00:27:27.828 --> 00:27:29.828
[Applause]

00:27:34.203 --> 00:27:37.109
>> I recall very positively dan,
he stood up for what he believes

00:27:38.609 --> 00:27:40.609
and supported all my motions.

00:27:40.672 --> 00:27:42.672
[Laughter] Thank you, dan.

00:27:43.812 --> 00:27:45.812
>> recognize Councilman Ali.

00:27:47.750 --> 00:27:50.516
>> Mr. Bush, I would like to say
thank you to you and your team

00:27:51.922 --> 00:27:53.922
and pat harris and dan hill.

00:27:56.250 --> 00:27:58.250
i appreciate this will help the
community and provide jobs.

00:27:58.891 --> 00:28:00.891
It shows you are trying to

00:28:01.734 --> 00:28:03.969
invest in the community by
approving this and by providing

00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:07.531
jobs in the community.
Changing on the human
development.

00:28:07.531 --> 00:28:09.797
Taking a risk.
Being an entrepreneur doesn't

00:28:10.203 --> 00:28:12.203
mean you don't take risk.

00:28:12.406 --> 00:28:14.406
You have taken lots of risk,

00:28:14.781 --> 00:28:17.781
have you mitigated the risk.
you have had run-ins.

00:28:20.470 --> 00:28:22.470
I appreciate the perseverance to

00:28:23.922 --> 00:28:25.609
stand strong and be a model for
youth.

00:28:26.125 --> 00:28:28.125
Inside the restaurant, he's done

00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:30.359
more mentoring than he sold hot

00:28:30.422 --> 00:28:32.531
dogs to the youth in the
neighborhood.
He's no small guy.

00:28:33.188 --> 00:28:35.188
They tend to listen to him.

00:28:35.969 --> 00:28:37.766
I want to say thank you for your
investment of time and

00:28:43.766 --> 00:28:45.766
resources.

00:28:45.938 --> 00:28:47.938
>> well, we will see you at one

00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:50.641
of our worksessions.
We can get more information in

00:28:51.780 --> 00:28:52.516
terms of what you are doing.
Thank you.

00:28:53.484 --> 00:28:54.875
>> we will move on to the
agenda.

00:28:55.719 --> 00:28:57.719
I will first recognize any

00:29:00.219 --> 00:29:03.470
priority items by the city
manager?
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor, I have

00:29:04.594 --> 00:29:07.594
two priority items this evening.
Agenda item number nine, the

00:29:10.310 --> 00:29:11.891
proposed fy 10-11 planning
department resolution.

00:29:12.594 --> 00:29:14.500
Request this be referred back to
the administration.

00:29:15.266 --> 00:29:17.969
And agenda item number 25, the
local funding commitment for

00:29:18.672 --> 00:29:21.500
rolling hills submission to
north carolina housing finance

00:29:23.812 --> 00:29:25.812
agency, this is a supplemental

00:29:27.219 --> 00:29:29.906
item, again agenda 25 is a
supplemental item this evening.

00:29:32.109 --> 00:29:34.109
>> entertain a motion on the

00:29:41.328 --> 00:29:43.922
manager's priority items.
Madam Clerk, open the vote.
Close the vote.

00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:45.969
>> ask the city attorney if he
has priority items.

00:29:46.940 --> 00:29:48.797
>> no priority items.
>> likewise, city clerk.

00:29:49.766 --> 00:29:51.375
>> no items, Mr. Mayor.
>> ok.

00:29:52.109 --> 00:29:55.000
So we will proceed with the
agenda -- 
>> Mr. Mayor?

00:29:58.906 --> 00:30:00.906
>> recognize Councilman Clement.

00:30:01.609 --> 00:30:04.375
>> I just want to use this
opportunity to thank the

00:30:05.656 --> 00:30:07.656
department of neighborhood

00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:15.859
improvement services headed by

00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.000
Ms. Constance stanton, for the

00:30:19.562 --> 00:30:21.562
work that this department

00:30:24.328 --> 00:30:26.328
manifests in respect to the
fences.

00:30:27.172 --> 00:30:29.172
 -- the census.

00:30:31.780 --> 00:30:33.780
The city-led outreach efforts

00:30:33.469 --> 00:30:35.469
significantly increased from

00:30:38.281 --> 00:30:40.953
what we did in 2100.
I want to commend the department

00:30:42.719 --> 00:30:44.719
of neighborhood improvement

00:30:46.484 --> 00:30:47.953
services for spearheading this
effort.

00:30:49.625 --> 00:30:51.625
It is very important that durham

00:30:52.188 --> 00:30:54.188
fully participate in the census

00:30:54.328 --> 00:30:56.328
of 2010.

00:30:56.938 --> 00:30:59.940
It is through the efforts of
agencies like neighborhood

00:30:59.234 --> 00:31:01.562
improvement services that we
will reach our goal.

00:31:04.609 --> 00:31:07.344
we need to have 100%
participation for all of the

00:31:08.844 --> 00:31:10.844
citizens of durham in this.

00:31:11.688 --> 00:31:14.547
I just want to thank the
neighborhood improvement

00:31:15.470 --> 00:31:16.422
services department for its
efforts.

00:31:18.453 --> 00:31:20.453
Thank you so much.

00:31:21.156 --> 00:31:22.656
>> thank you, I was talking to
the manager.

00:31:24.719 --> 00:31:27.234
I saw the information came up in
one of the e-mails.

00:31:28.828 --> 00:31:30.734
I wanted to acknowledge all the
persons that were responsible

00:31:30.938 --> 00:31:32.938
for this.

00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.000
I think it is the first time

00:31:35.172 --> 00:31:37.172
this has happened, I think, on

00:31:39.470 --> 00:31:41.469
the part of at least the city
administration of doing that

00:31:41.750 --> 00:31:43.750
with the citizens.

00:31:45.750 --> 00:31:47.688
all the persons that
congratulationlet

00:31:48.781 --> 00:31:50.547
congratulations for the work
done.

00:31:51.422 --> 00:31:53.422
That is an important piece for

00:31:53.562 --> 00:31:55.656
the city and accounting, and
accounting accurately.

00:31:56.156 --> 00:31:58.156
The consent agenda consists of

00:31:58.531 --> 00:32:00.422
items that May be passed with a
single motion.

00:32:01.531 --> 00:32:04.328
If an item is pulled by a
council person or member of the

00:32:04.469 --> 00:32:06.469
public, we will discuss that

00:32:11.109 --> 00:32:13.375
item later in the agenda.
1. Durham board of adjustment-
appointment.

00:32:13.906 --> 00:32:16.516
2. Capital program advisory
committee-reappointments

00:32:17.906 --> 00:32:20.141
3. Equal business opportunity
program advisory committee-

00:32:20.141 --> 00:32:22.141
reappointment

00:32:28.484 --> 00:32:31.940
4. Durham convention center
authority-appointment
5. Bid report-March 2010

00:32:34.266 --> 00:32:36.969
6. Amendment to loan agreement
and related documents between

00:32:39.641 --> 00:32:41.266
voa durham maple court, inc. And
the city of durham

00:32:42.266 --> 00:32:45.266
7. This item can be found on the
general business agenda.

00:32:53.641 --> 00:32:55.688
Item nine has been proposed back
to the administration
9. Proposed fy10-11 planning

00:32:55.688 --> 00:32:57.922
department fee resolution
10. Use of federal asset
forfeiture funds

00:32:59.984 --> 00:33:01.984
11. North carolina department of
transportation utility agreement

00:33:02.719 --> 00:33:04.719
u-4763 b

00:33:09.234 --> 00:33:11.891
15-21. Those items can be
found on the general business
agenda-public hearings.

00:33:19.141 --> 00:33:21.141
I entertain a motion for the

00:33:24.281 --> 00:33:26.281
approval of consent agenda

00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:29.219
items.
Madam Clerk, open the vote,

00:33:29.219 --> 00:33:31.188
close the vote.
>> passes 7-0.

00:33:34.516 --> 00:33:37.484
>> move to the general business
agenda.
7. Adoption of neighborhood
stabilization program grant

00:33:37.688 --> 00:33:39.688
project ordinance superseding

00:33:40.562 --> 00:33:42.562
ordinance #13814 and award funds

00:33:43.391 --> 00:33:45.391
to housing for new hope, inc.

00:33:51.969 --> 00:33:53.969
recognize Mr. Jarvis.

00:33:54.703 --> 00:33:56.703
>> good evening, mayor, members

00:33:58.281 --> 00:34:00.780
of council, larry jarvis,
department of housing.

00:34:01.375 --> 00:34:04.780
The motions are you adopt the
grant ordinance to receive the

00:34:04.453 --> 00:34:06.453
additional funds and authorize

00:34:09.328 --> 00:34:11.328
the city manager to execute a

00:34:12.750 --> 00:34:14.750
subrecipient agreement for the

00:34:15.766 --> 00:34:17.469
rehab of 1103 workforce drive as
rental housing.

00:34:19.266 --> 00:34:20.734
I will be happy to answer any
questions.

00:34:21.328 --> 00:34:23.703
>> recognize -- any councilmans
have questions.

00:34:27.672 --> 00:34:30.281
recognize first mayor pro tem.
I guess I'm the person who

00:34:30.312 --> 00:34:32.312
pulled the item initially.

00:34:32.984 --> 00:34:34.984
What I want to know is whether

00:34:35.141 --> 00:34:37.141
the participation since it is

00:34:39.344 --> 00:34:41.344
federal money is actually a part

00:34:42.125 --> 00:34:44.828
of this and if it is, was this
item properly bid?

00:34:46.688 --> 00:34:48.688
>> it has not been bid yet, we

00:34:49.734 --> 00:34:51.734
have the goals set by the office

00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:54.391
of equalization and equity
assurance.

00:34:55.469 --> 00:34:57.531
The goals will be included in
the bid package.

00:34:59.734 --> 00:35:01.938
>> will we see those at some
point?

00:35:05.780 --> 00:35:07.547
And after the project is
completed, who monitors to make

00:35:11.984 --> 00:35:13.688
sure that the goals were met or
best-faith effort.

00:35:14.484 --> 00:35:16.484
The project manager in our

00:35:17.422 --> 00:35:19.422
department works with the office

00:35:20.859 --> 00:35:23.719
of equity assurance to review
the participation and that the

00:35:24.156 --> 00:35:26.828
subcontractors fall short of the
established goals, then we would

00:35:27.859 --> 00:35:29.859
ask that officer to look at it

00:35:30.940 --> 00:35:32.940
to ensure that best efforts have

00:35:33.562 --> 00:35:35.844
been made and they give us what
they understooding that have

00:35:36.266 --> 00:35:37.938
done their best efforts to do
something else.

00:35:38.609 --> 00:35:40.938
We work closely with that.
>> will that come back before

00:35:41.406 --> 00:35:43.812
us, though, then?
>> again, the participation

00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:52.281
goals have already been
established.

00:35:55.266 --> 00:35:57.620
That is men of 16% and women of
6%.
>> all right.

00:36:01.125 --> 00:36:03.359
Thank you.
Properly moved and seconded.

00:36:03.359 --> 00:36:06.141
Madam Clerk, open the vote.
Close the vote.

00:36:07.906 --> 00:36:09.906
>> passes 7-0.

00:36:09.969 --> 00:36:11.969
>> now move to the general

00:36:12.641 --> 00:36:14.672
business agenda, public
hearings.

00:36:14.672 --> 00:36:17.406
First is
15. Public hearing and approval
of fy 2010-2015 consolidated

00:36:19.141 --> 00:36:21.141
plan and 2010-2011 annual action

00:36:21.547 --> 00:36:24.156
plan for the use of cdbg, home
and esg funds

00:36:43.310 --> 00:36:45.310
declare the public hearing open.

00:36:45.875 --> 00:36:47.875
>> we have two items before you.

00:36:50.844 --> 00:36:53.375
make bear os.
>> we have plans to achieve over

00:36:53.375 --> 00:36:55.375
five years.

00:36:55.453 --> 00:36:57.453
We have actually hired a

00:36:57.516 --> 00:37:00.422
consultant to assist us, this
time with the five-year plan.

00:37:01.516 --> 00:37:03.188
The representative of that firm
is here.

00:37:03.688 --> 00:37:06.125
In addition we tried make a good
effort to involve the community,

00:37:06.625 --> 00:37:09.625
to involve our partners and
involve everyone in the
opportunity to participate in

00:37:10.620 --> 00:37:12.620
the five-year plan.

00:37:13.940 --> 00:37:15.641
some of the earlier concerns
that I have heard voiced is -- 

00:37:15.938 --> 00:37:18.609
and we probably will hear
tonight are that they would like

00:37:20.469 --> 00:37:21.781
to see very aggressive goals
set.

00:37:23.250 --> 00:37:25.250
And to some degree, we have

00:37:25.312 --> 00:37:27.875
tried to set aggressive goals,
but we also understand things

00:37:28.375 --> 00:37:30.375
can happen such as the economy,

00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:32.719
we try to set realistic goals.

00:37:33.984 --> 00:37:36.953
you are also being asked to pass
three grant project ordinances
this evening.

00:37:38.156 --> 00:37:40.156
Having said that, I will

00:37:40.297 --> 00:37:42.734
introduce wilmer conyers, our
federal grants coordinator.

00:37:42.734 --> 00:37:44.734
She can explain more about the

00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.000
process.

00:37:50.641 --> 00:37:52.234
>> good evening, mayor, members
of council.

00:37:53.344 --> 00:37:56.160
as a part of the planning
process with the consolidated

00:37:56.547 --> 00:37:59.438
plan and the annual action plan,
as required by the U.S.

00:38:00.406 --> 00:38:02.922
Department of housing and urban
development, we are required to

00:38:04.688 --> 00:38:06.125
hold at least two public
hearings.

00:38:06.859 --> 00:38:09.859
With the first public hearing
taking place in early

00:38:10.984 --> 00:38:13.828
developmental parts, phases of
the plan.

00:38:15.766 --> 00:38:18.297
with that said the first public
hearing was held January 4th

00:38:19.766 --> 00:38:21.766
with the city and January 11th,

00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:23.797
before the board of county
commissioners.

00:38:25.297 --> 00:38:27.297
Prior to the first public needs

00:38:27.906 --> 00:38:30.750
process, the city also held an
application workshop which took

00:38:32.281 --> 00:38:34.281
place on October 13th of 2009.

00:38:35.984 --> 00:38:38.160
and at that time, we accepted
applications through

00:38:40.156 --> 00:38:42.656
November 16th of 2009 and we
have seen approximately 24

00:38:43.940 --> 00:38:45.940
applications.

00:38:45.422 --> 00:38:48.000
Moving on, we also held an
informal meeting which took

00:38:49.922 --> 00:38:52.391
place February 22nd, at 3:00
P.M. In the neighborhood

00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:55.938
improvement services conference
room in which we invited the

00:38:57.531 --> 00:38:59.531
community to come and comment on

00:38:59.609 --> 00:39:01.609
the development and housing

00:39:01.703 --> 00:39:04.672
needs for the consolidated plan
and the annual action plan.

00:39:05.750 --> 00:39:07.750
And again, in the afternoon at

00:39:08.141 --> 00:39:10.141
6:00 P.M., we presented a

00:39:10.219 --> 00:39:12.219
meeting before the citizens

00:39:13.453 --> 00:39:15.453
advisory committee as well.

00:39:17.281 --> 00:39:19.281
on March 25th, we held a public

00:39:20.531 --> 00:39:22.531
meeting which we advertised all

00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.000
meeting in the herald sun.

00:39:26.391 --> 00:39:28.531
We afforded the opportunity for
is the input.

00:39:29.828 --> 00:39:31.828
March 31st, hud provided the

00:39:31.906 --> 00:39:33.906
actual funding application -- 

00:39:34.310 --> 00:39:35.438
allocations that we were to
receive.

00:39:36.578 --> 00:39:38.578
because during the planning

00:39:42.750 --> 00:39:45.547
process we were using the fy
09-10 for the planning purposes.

00:39:47.780 --> 00:39:48.516
Those allocations were announced
March 31st.

00:39:49.219 --> 00:39:51.781
The second public hearing taking
place tonight and we will also

00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:54.719
go before the board of county

00:39:55.310 --> 00:39:57.620
commissioners on May 10th as
well.

00:39:58.620 --> 00:40:00.797
statutorily speaking, the
consolidated plan and annual

00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:04.940
action plan must be submitted to

00:40:04.594 --> 00:40:07.297
hud by May 15th, within 45 days
of submission, hud generally

00:40:07.938 --> 00:40:09.938
will give the city a response as

00:40:12.578 --> 00:40:14.578
to whether it is approved, the

00:40:14.938 --> 00:40:16.938
consolidated action plan.

00:40:16.953 --> 00:40:18.953
Basically upon approval, the

00:40:19.516 --> 00:40:22.160
city can expect to receive the
funds, basically around August

00:40:22.160 --> 00:40:24.160
or September.

00:40:24.859 --> 00:40:26.859
At that time, the city will

00:40:27.266 --> 00:40:29.453
be -- will receive their grant
applications in which that time

00:40:31.940 --> 00:40:33.766
the city can move forward with
administering the contracts with

00:40:35.310 --> 00:40:37.940
the subrecipients that have
applied for funding through the

00:40:37.940 --> 00:40:39.310
process.
in addition, the city is

00:40:42.672 --> 00:40:45.109
required to put on review the
consolidated annual action plan

00:40:46.172 --> 00:40:48.172
for 30 days.

00:40:50.250 --> 00:40:52.484
That process began April 2nd
through May 3rd.

00:40:52.484 --> 00:40:54.484
Thank you.

00:40:54.688 --> 00:40:57.780
>> let me ask first, are there
questions by members of the

00:40:58.484 --> 00:41:00.484
council or staff on this item?

00:41:01.984 --> 00:41:04.922
Recognize mayor pro tem.
>> come up here.

00:41:19.172 --> 00:41:21.703
[Inaudible].
I would like to know if any of

00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:24.719
the agencies that you are

00:41:24.953 --> 00:41:27.922
proposing for funding this year
were funded last year had goals

00:41:32.828 --> 00:41:34.828
they did not meet last year?

00:41:36.562 --> 00:41:38.562
Let me put it very simple.

00:41:38.891 --> 00:41:41.125
I don't want to go down this
list of projects.

00:41:42.734 --> 00:41:44.734
Have all of these recipients,

00:41:46.734 --> 00:41:48.734
proposed recipients, in the past

00:41:52.578 --> 00:41:54.578
met their goals and -- did you

00:41:55.780 --> 00:41:57.780
monitor to assure that they did?

00:41:57.984 --> 00:41:59.984
The city is required to submit a

00:42:00.750 --> 00:42:02.750
consolidated annual performance

00:42:08.891 --> 00:42:10.219
report at the end of each fiscal
year.

00:42:11.422 --> 00:42:14.297
>> however when they submit or
we put together a contract, they

00:42:14.797 --> 00:42:16.797
must state what their goals are

00:42:17.906 --> 00:42:19.906
and basically the contract will

00:42:20.438 --> 00:42:22.438
match up with the caper as to

00:42:22.672 --> 00:42:25.266
whether they met their goals.
Also, in addition to that, quite

00:42:28.406 --> 00:42:30.406
a few, I would say almost maybe

00:42:30.984 --> 00:42:32.984
75% roughly of the subrecipients

00:42:34.312 --> 00:42:36.312
that we're funding did apply for

00:42:37.391 --> 00:42:39.391
funding for 2010-2011.

00:42:40.470 --> 00:42:42.470
>> Mr. Bears, can you answer

00:42:42.156 --> 00:42:44.828
that question for me?
Since you are familiar with it.

00:42:45.562 --> 00:42:47.734
>> I'm not aware of any that
didn't meet their goals.

00:42:49.328 --> 00:42:50.938
Most of them are
performance-generated.

00:42:51.969 --> 00:42:53.969
They meet a goal, we pay them.

00:42:54.672 --> 00:42:56.672
They meet a goal, we pay them.

00:42:59.109 --> 00:43:01.734
Ones that we find at cdbg I'm
not aware of any that didn't.

00:43:02.812 --> 00:43:04.844
we fund the 10-year plan out of
different funds.

00:43:05.812 --> 00:43:07.812
Their goals were a little

00:43:07.953 --> 00:43:09.922
more -- I wouldn't say nebulous,
but broader.

00:43:10.891 --> 00:43:13.160
We didn't have specific, defined
milestones as we do with most of

00:43:14.250 --> 00:43:16.250
the programs.

00:43:18.310 --> 00:43:20.859
>> why?
>> there is a committee that was

00:43:22.156 --> 00:43:24.328
put together to help define the
goals and that committee made

00:43:25.391 --> 00:43:26.828
those decisions, not the
department.

00:43:27.703 --> 00:43:29.828
The department had closer
milestone
milestones.

00:43:31.620 --> 00:43:33.620
I think the logic behind it was

00:43:33.641 --> 00:43:36.203
that when you are trying to do
something like end homelessness,

00:43:36.938 --> 00:43:39.470
when you are trying to do
something like encourage young

00:43:40.470 --> 00:43:42.312
people to better themselves,
sometimes you can't tell until

00:43:43.156 --> 00:43:45.156
several years down the road.

00:44:04.469 --> 00:44:06.906
it is hard to set specific
goals.
>> I think it is important that

00:44:08.234 --> 00:44:10.172
if we hold our own staffs
accountable for setting goals

00:44:11.203 --> 00:44:12.938
and meeting them, then we hold
everybody accountable.

00:44:13.578 --> 00:44:15.578
I don't think it is fair.

00:44:16.188 --> 00:44:18.188
So I'm suggesting -- and also,

00:44:21.188 --> 00:44:23.188
for those folk who receive money

00:44:23.594 --> 00:44:25.594
through the city of durham, i

00:44:25.828 --> 00:44:27.828
think that we should require

00:44:30.500 --> 00:44:33.940
them to be cooperative in
submitting reports that are

00:44:33.391 --> 00:44:35.766
needed, especially for the
10-year plan to end

00:44:35.766 --> 00:44:37.766
homelessness.
I will get with the city manager

00:44:38.906 --> 00:44:41.109
on how we can do that, but that
has presented some problems for

00:44:41.109 --> 00:44:43.312
us.
Thank you.

00:44:44.109 --> 00:44:46.781
>> thank you.
>> are there any other questions

00:44:48.109 --> 00:44:50.281
or comments by members of the
council?

00:44:50.578 --> 00:44:52.578
Recognize

00:44:53.516 --> 00:44:55.859
recognize Councilwoman Catotti.
>> I have a question for you.

00:44:56.891 --> 00:44:58.891
I appreciate the one-pager, it
is helpful.

00:45:00.484 --> 00:45:03.391
I am curious why you didn't list
the department of community

00:45:03.594 --> 00:45:05.594
development projects as you

00:45:09.375 --> 00:45:11.375
have, you have a list of cdbg

00:45:13.469 --> 00:45:15.469
funds that are being used by the

00:45:15.531 --> 00:45:17.703
department of community
development and they're not

00:45:17.703 --> 00:45:20.344
here, did they change.
>> are you talking about the

00:45:20.484 --> 00:45:22.672
information with the action plan
or what we're dealing with

00:45:22.672 --> 00:45:24.812
later.
>> I'm talking about item 15,

00:45:26.160 --> 00:45:28.812
the caper, in the listing of
proposed projects, dowe want me

00:45:30.547 --> 00:45:32.953
to -- do you want me to give you
some examples?

00:45:33.516 --> 00:45:35.516
For example, following this same

00:45:37.940 --> 00:45:39.940
list, as the one-pager, there is

00:45:41.797 --> 00:45:44.797
detail, for example, cdbg
sustainability 980 to the

00:45:45.594 --> 00:45:48.620
department of development.
there is 50 thousand to the

00:45:48.734 --> 00:45:50.734
department of development for

00:45:51.281 --> 00:45:53.281
target clearance and demolition.

00:45:53.969 --> 00:45:55.969
So are we following me now.

00:45:56.281 --> 00:45:57.750
>> sometimes a line item is a
placeholder.

00:45:59.547 --> 00:46:01.609
If we think we will do
demolition, we can't anticipate

00:46:01.781 --> 00:46:04.281
how much we will do.
We might put a small amount in

00:46:04.359 --> 00:46:06.359
there with the understanding

00:46:07.391 --> 00:46:09.656
that we can transfer monies
around up to a certain

00:46:09.656 --> 00:46:11.656
threshold.

00:46:12.620 --> 00:46:13.500
I'm not sure that answers your
question.

00:46:14.328 --> 00:46:16.328
We run a variety of programs

00:46:17.172 --> 00:46:20.000
with major, minor rehab.
Demolition, a variety of things.

00:46:24.141 --> 00:46:26.141
>> I guess specifically under

00:46:26.312 --> 00:46:29.109
cdbg, there are seven proposed
areas to use that.

00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:31.719
there is the department of

00:46:35.156 --> 00:46:37.812
community development and under
homes there are four.

00:46:40.688 --> 00:46:42.891
I'm asking if you expect those
allocations to be the same or if

00:46:42.891 --> 00:46:45.797
anything changed.
It wasn't in the one-pager of

00:46:47.422 --> 00:46:49.422
recommended allocations that you

00:46:51.594 --> 00:46:54.297
provided tonight.
It is.

00:46:55.310 --> 00:46:57.375
You are right.
Ok.
It did match what is in the

00:46:57.375 --> 00:46:59.500
caper.
I thought it was from this.

00:46:59.500 --> 00:47:01.344
You are right.
It is from 25.

00:47:01.969 --> 00:47:03.969
>> the other information we gave

00:47:04.844 --> 00:47:07.219
you, we lumped it together.
That is what I thought was

00:47:07.219 --> 00:47:10.780
confusing you.
>> my mistake.

00:47:10.391 --> 00:47:12.391
sorry.

00:47:12.750 --> 00:47:14.828
What about housing counseling
services.

00:47:16.156 --> 00:47:17.453
Can you clarify the -- let's
see.

00:47:18.797 --> 00:47:21.734
Let me check and be sure it is
actually in here, the same item.

00:47:23.620 --> 00:47:25.734
Anyways for the durham
affordable housing coalition, it

00:47:25.734 --> 00:47:27.734
is $30,000.

00:47:28.328 --> 00:47:30.328
And there is a proposed

00:47:30.875 --> 00:47:32.266
initiative to create an in-house
position.

00:47:32.938 --> 00:47:34.938
It wasn't clear to me.

00:47:35.969 --> 00:47:38.938
The in-house position wasn't
carried forward in the budget
process.

00:47:39.844 --> 00:47:41.844
We have funding for the durham

00:47:41.984 --> 00:47:43.984
affordable housing coalition on

00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:46.547
an existing contract through
September.
Because we were unclear on

00:47:46.781 --> 00:47:49.391
whether we would carry that
forward, we did not recommend

00:47:50.484 --> 00:47:52.828
more than the 30,000.
which would start in September.

00:47:53.625 --> 00:47:55.859
That does two things, basically,
for the city.

00:47:57.310 --> 00:47:59.125
In addition to general financial
counseling for people in the

00:48:00.203 --> 00:48:02.172
community, it also provides
specific financial counseling

00:48:03.938 --> 00:48:05.938
for people we have made loans to

00:48:06.672 --> 00:48:09.141
that are having problems making
payments.
Portfolio counseling.

00:48:09.969 --> 00:48:11.969
Some for homeownership program.

00:48:12.672 --> 00:48:14.953
>> my understanding is that was
$60,000 last year.

00:48:16.156 --> 00:48:18.156
So if that has not been carried

00:48:18.422 --> 00:48:20.422
forward in this year's budget

00:48:21.940 --> 00:48:22.922
how do we intend to provide
similar services.

00:48:23.984 --> 00:48:25.719
Do we expect it will be half as
much as last year.

00:48:26.688 --> 00:48:28.859
>> if we do, we would come back
and make a recommendation, there

00:48:29.703 --> 00:48:31.828
would be money to do that, if we
chose to do that.

00:48:32.594 --> 00:48:34.734
that decision has not been
presented to the deputy city

00:48:35.266 --> 00:48:37.672
managers as of today.
>> where would you anticipate

00:48:39.234 --> 00:48:41.500
the source of the funds to be?
>> cdbg.

00:48:43.141 --> 00:48:45.375
>> so you reallocate?
>> correct.

00:48:45.375 --> 00:48:46.906
>> thank you.
Thank you.

00:48:48.609 --> 00:48:50.609
>> are there other questions?

00:48:52.156 --> 00:48:54.156
Recognize mayor pro tem.

00:48:54.953 --> 00:48:56.953
>> I have another question.

00:48:58.594 --> 00:49:00.310
It is about -- guess the whole
process.

00:49:03.328 --> 00:49:05.328
That is, when you look at

00:49:06.266 --> 00:49:08.266
allocations from cdbg for any

00:49:09.406 --> 00:49:11.406
agency, dowe look at their total

00:49:11.672 --> 00:49:13.672
budget to see what their total

00:49:13.938 --> 00:49:15.938
income, what their total

00:49:17.780 --> 00:49:19.780
revenues, expenses are or do

00:49:19.703 --> 00:49:21.703
they just submit, you look at

00:49:23.188 --> 00:49:25.984
what they want and make a
recommendation to us?

00:49:25.984 --> 00:49:27.984
>> the former.

00:49:29.891 --> 00:49:32.828
For the past five years, our
application has been quite
strict.

00:49:34.310 --> 00:49:36.859
in fact, if there has been any
concerns that we have had, it is

00:49:37.125 --> 00:49:39.469
smaller organizations sometimes
are overwhelmed by our

00:49:39.469 --> 00:49:41.859
application.
The application specifically

00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.328
made that way so when someone
applies we know they will have

00:49:45.797 --> 00:49:47.234
the capacity to carry out
projects.

00:49:48.438 --> 00:49:50.969
In a couple of cases, we had
people apply that just couldn't

00:49:51.516 --> 00:49:53.906
do the application, which
involves a holistic look at

00:49:53.906 --> 00:49:56.875
their organization.
in those cases, we suggested

00:49:58.844 --> 00:50:01.219
they team up with another
subrecipient that has been able

00:50:01.953 --> 00:50:04.391
to put together accounting and
whatnot for the organization.

00:50:06.297 --> 00:50:08.859
We also have -- depending on, we
give points for match.

00:50:09.688 --> 00:50:12.391
Two to one match.
$2 for every dollar.

00:50:13.310 --> 00:50:15.531
We generally don't fund
administration.
We fund the program cost.

00:50:18.310 --> 00:50:20.310
an exception might be if we were

00:50:20.266 --> 00:50:22.578
running a minor rehab program
where they need somebody out in

00:50:23.203 --> 00:50:25.470
the field monitoring the
volunteer work.

00:50:27.844 --> 00:50:30.719
But our applications take a look
at the entire organization.

00:50:32.781 --> 00:50:34.922
Our audit we require is of the
entire organization and not

00:50:35.453 --> 00:50:38.328
simply the monies they give
them.
the purpose is to make sure

00:50:39.453 --> 00:50:42.359
they're not receiving money for
more than one source to do the

00:50:43.297 --> 00:50:44.594
tasks the city is asking them to
do.

00:50:45.500 --> 00:50:47.500
>> my last question, Mr. Mayor.

00:50:51.406 --> 00:50:53.406
The funding for this year, the

00:50:53.641 --> 00:50:55.641
past recipients getting the same

00:50:56.344 --> 00:50:58.141
amount this year as they have in
the past?

00:50:59.160 --> 00:51:01.781
Or are there some who are
getting less?

00:51:04.578 --> 00:51:06.188
>> thank you Madam Mayor pro
tem.

00:51:08.547 --> 00:51:11.250
As mayor catotti brought up,
they are being recommended for

00:51:11.281 --> 00:51:14.940
30 this year.
I don't have a complete match of

00:51:17.188 --> 00:51:20.620
one to one, but in the areas of
cdbg, generally speaking

00:51:20.797 --> 00:51:23.266
we're -- the request exceeds the
amount -- the requests exceed

00:51:23.625 --> 00:51:26.500
the amount we have.
Many times, we recommend a

00:51:26.500 --> 00:51:28.500
smaller amount.

00:51:30.234 --> 00:51:32.780
Now, if the request was for a
very specific item like

00:51:32.609 --> 00:51:35.438
infrastructure and we know the
dollarim, we would do everything
to meet that request.

00:51:36.344 --> 00:51:38.344
If it is to deliver a general

00:51:38.844 --> 00:51:40.922
service to maybe a number of
homeowners, sometimes we're just

00:51:41.453 --> 00:51:43.453
not able to meet the goal that

00:51:43.891 --> 00:51:45.891
that organization asked for.

00:51:46.281 --> 00:51:48.281
So our contract would require

00:51:49.562 --> 00:51:51.620
less than they suggest in their
application.

00:51:52.656 --> 00:51:54.656
>> I guess I'm more interested

00:51:55.656 --> 00:51:57.940
in the affordable housing
building.

00:51:58.266 --> 00:52:00.266
But that is sufficient.

00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:03.000
thank you.

00:52:03.578 --> 00:52:05.578
>> recognize Councilman Owen.

00:52:06.375 --> 00:52:08.375
>> Mr. Mayor, Mr. Boroughs, you

00:52:09.160 --> 00:52:10.375
indicated there was an audit
done.

00:52:14.578 --> 00:52:17.422
Is it a third-party audit.
Is it a financial audit or

00:52:17.781 --> 00:52:20.656
operational audit?
>> we have a project manager

00:52:21.281 --> 00:52:22.953
that visits the site and checks
over things.

00:52:24.531 --> 00:52:26.531
In order to receive our money we

00:52:26.562 --> 00:52:28.562
require an actual audit of the
organizations, not of the

00:52:29.310 --> 00:52:30.531
program we fund, but the total
organization.

00:52:31.620 --> 00:52:34.310
The reason I brought that up is
there have been concerns in the

00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:36.797
past, we will have a small
organization that is one or two

00:52:37.766 --> 00:52:39.766
people that is out working with

00:52:40.172 --> 00:52:42.578
people in the community, asking
for 10 or $15,000.

00:52:43.375 --> 00:52:45.484
We have not been able to fund
the organizations because they

00:52:46.109 --> 00:52:48.109
can't afford an audit.

00:52:48.453 --> 00:52:50.453
We require a program audit

00:52:50.688 --> 00:52:52.156
within a year of us funding any
organization.

00:52:53.625 --> 00:52:56.453
>> is that a third-party audit.
>> yes, I'm sorry.
Yes.

00:52:57.625 --> 00:52:59.625
>> it is not just your program?

00:53:00.359 --> 00:53:02.625
>> not just our program or their
accountant.
A third.

00:53:02.625 --> 00:53:04.625
Party audit.

00:53:04.938 --> 00:53:07.359
>> so from doing this over the
past several years have you

00:53:07.938 --> 00:53:09.938
found any significant findings

00:53:10.609 --> 00:53:12.609
that we're not talking about?

00:53:12.672 --> 00:53:14.672
>> not that I'm aware of, no.

00:53:15.172 --> 00:53:17.172
Not any significant findings.

00:53:17.438 --> 00:53:19.438
I should say because I know a

00:53:19.516 --> 00:53:21.516
lot of people at home watch this

00:53:21.578 --> 00:53:23.812
on television, some of this May
be the conversation they're not

00:53:23.812 --> 00:53:26.312
used to.
We'll have somebody come in, it

00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:29.750
is a social service, they will
do financial counseling to help

00:53:30.516 --> 00:53:32.516
people get out of debt trouble.

00:53:32.984 --> 00:53:34.984
We will say ok, for every person

00:53:35.620 --> 00:53:37.469
you counsel you will receive x
amount of dollars out of the

00:53:37.469 --> 00:53:40.000
contract.
The audit will ensure that

00:53:40.297 --> 00:53:41.672
happened and paid for out of our
money.

00:53:42.328 --> 00:53:44.328
but to answer your question, I'm

00:53:44.641 --> 00:53:46.641
not aware of any significant

00:53:46.938 --> 00:53:49.641
findings on the audits.
>> if did you, that would affect

00:53:50.672 --> 00:53:53.312
your funding, right?
>> what I heard you say earlier

00:53:53.750 --> 00:53:55.375
is they would do the work and
you fund them.

00:53:56.812 --> 00:53:58.812
They do the work, you fund them.

00:53:59.922 --> 00:54:01.922
If you found significant audit

00:54:02.470 --> 00:54:04.562
violations, there would be less
probability that you would have

00:54:05.625 --> 00:54:08.484
been refunding them, second of
all, some kind of cure to happen

00:54:09.125 --> 00:54:12.620
before funding or you would have
a hud program.

00:54:13.625 --> 00:54:15.625
>> that is -- hud problem.

00:54:17.531 --> 00:54:19.531
>> that is absolutely correct.

00:54:21.438 --> 00:54:24.312
We have had hud come in and have
findings.
oftentimes misunderstanding.

00:54:28.641 --> 00:54:30.312
We were doing rent reim
reimbursement.

00:54:31.375 --> 00:54:34.188
The subrecipient was doing an
incorrect formula.

00:54:35.359 --> 00:54:37.781
The auditor wouldn't have known
the complicated formulas that

00:54:37.781 --> 00:54:40.188
hud used.
We should have, we missed that

00:54:40.188 --> 00:54:42.453
one.
That is an example.

00:54:43.234 --> 00:54:45.125
Hud does spot-checks, not check
everything we do.

00:54:46.891 --> 00:54:48.891
We fund a lot of subrecipients.

00:54:49.940 --> 00:54:50.469
There is not really a way to do
that.

00:54:51.203 --> 00:54:53.203
If something shows up when we

00:54:53.875 --> 00:54:55.875
visit or something shows up in

00:54:56.266 --> 00:54:58.266
know audit, if hud finds

00:54:59.160 --> 00:55:00.469
something we cure it or
reimburse.

00:55:01.516 --> 00:55:04.250
>> let me ask, are there other
questions?
If not this is a public hearing.

00:55:08.578 --> 00:55:10.922
we will proceed with the public
hearing.

00:55:12.188 --> 00:55:13.562
I have persons signed up to
speak.

00:55:14.953 --> 00:55:17.328
Let me ask first, before I
allocate the amount of time, is

00:55:17.891 --> 00:55:20.297
there anyone else that has not
signed up that would like to

00:55:26.266 --> 00:55:28.875
speak on this item 15?
So the last person that will

00:55:30.234 --> 00:55:32.906
speak will be steven hopkins.
As I call your name can you come

00:55:33.641 --> 00:55:36.281
to the podium to the right.
And for the purchase of the

00:55:36.781 --> 00:55:38.781
public hearing, each has three

00:55:43.391 --> 00:55:45.391
minutes.

00:55:48.625 --> 00:55:50.625
first being anita odom, jack

00:55:55.469 --> 00:55:57.469
price, ryan firm an, daphne

00:56:05.469 --> 00:56:08.780
hopkins, susan olive, ann
atchinson.
Present?

00:56:08.344 --> 00:56:10.344
Ok.

00:56:13.141 --> 00:56:15.578
Susan amy.
V. Peterson.

00:56:19.156 --> 00:56:21.562
And steven hopkins.
They will be the persons that

00:56:23.156 --> 00:56:25.719
speak on the public hearing.
The clock is ahead.

00:56:26.531 --> 00:56:28.531
You each have three minutes.

00:56:28.734 --> 00:56:30.234
for the purpose, we're not
yielding time.

00:56:32.266 --> 00:56:35.172
Each person has three minutes.
Thank you.
>> thank you very much, mayor

00:56:35.375 --> 00:56:36.766
bell, members of the city
council.

00:56:37.641 --> 00:56:40.578
I just have a few comments about
the consolidated plan.

00:56:41.375 --> 00:56:43.609
I'm representing the durham
affordable housing coalition and

00:56:43.938 --> 00:56:45.938
members of the coalition which

00:56:46.578 --> 00:56:48.160
are individuals as well as
organization

00:56:48.609 --> 00:56:50.609
organizations that deal with

00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:52.780
affordable housing here in
durham.

00:56:52.984 --> 00:56:55.625
We feel that the consolidated
plan should have specific

00:56:55.984 --> 00:56:57.984
numerical housing targets while

00:56:58.940 --> 00:57:00.266
there are targets for special
needs housing.

00:57:02.828 --> 00:57:05.797
There are no numerical targets
in the plan.

00:57:06.531 --> 00:57:08.531
We believe that it should

00:57:10.141 --> 00:57:11.500
include 75 units of affordable
housing.

00:57:12.844 --> 00:57:15.516
As a numerical target for the
five years.

00:57:15.516 --> 00:57:18.109
This commitment and other
specific targets are consistent

00:57:19.781 --> 00:57:22.470
with the 10-year plan to end
homelessness in durham and the

00:57:24.484 --> 00:57:26.594
approach taken in the last
consolidated plant.

00:57:27.250 --> 00:57:29.250
In addition, funding for special

00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:33.328
needs housing which is also
supported through a penny for

00:57:34.469 --> 00:57:36.328
housing an initiative of durham
affordable housing brought to

00:57:36.562 --> 00:57:38.940
the city council about four
years ago.

00:57:40.641 --> 00:57:42.641
At that time, first year we were

00:57:43.469 --> 00:57:46.780
funded, it was funded at a level
of $500,000.

00:57:48.141 --> 00:57:51.141
It has gradually gone down each
year.
we would like to see that amount

00:57:53.609 --> 00:57:55.470
go back up to $500,000 if
possible.

00:57:56.470 --> 00:57:58.547
That money can be used as
leverage by an affordable

00:57:59.250 --> 00:58:01.250
housing developer to leverage

00:58:03.594 --> 00:58:05.594
other monies to be able to build

00:58:06.828 --> 00:58:09.234
special-needs housing.
I have some other comments that

00:58:10.703 --> 00:58:13.125
i gave in writing to the clerk
that are specific things about

00:58:13.906 --> 00:58:15.906
charts that are in the plan.

00:58:16.531 --> 00:58:18.531
But in addition to that, I do

00:58:21.438 --> 00:58:23.438
want to comment, briefly, on the

00:58:23.906 --> 00:58:26.375
annual action plan and the
funding amount for the next

00:58:27.906 --> 00:58:29.906
fiscal year that are recommended

00:58:30.281 --> 00:58:32.281
by the county.

00:58:32.625 --> 00:58:34.891
Durham affordable housing
coalition has currently two

00:58:35.625 --> 00:58:37.891
contracts with the city.
One from volunteer minor home

00:58:38.422 --> 00:58:40.422
repair that we have had for

00:58:40.859 --> 00:58:42.922
several years and one for
housing counseling and minor

00:58:42.922 --> 00:58:44.922
home repair.

00:58:45.266 --> 00:58:47.266
This year, we're receiving

00:58:47.500 --> 00:58:49.500
$80,000 for that.

00:58:50.297 --> 00:58:52.375
City council -- city community
development department

00:58:52.875 --> 00:58:55.141
recommended $65,000 for that in
the next fiscal year.

00:58:56.780 --> 00:58:58.780
So that will just mean that we

00:58:58.578 --> 00:59:00.578
can do fewer homes.

00:59:01.160 --> 00:59:03.250
It May preclude us from having a
student repair program that we

00:59:04.780 --> 00:59:06.780
have had the past two years.

00:59:06.891 --> 00:59:08.891
We will have this year with the

00:59:10.160 --> 00:59:12.750
funding that we have, the help
teach teens and young adults how

00:59:14.620 --> 00:59:17.620
to do minor home repair as well
as other mentoring they receive

00:59:18.156 --> 00:59:20.156
in that program.

00:59:22.797 --> 00:59:24.797
And it repairs homes for elderly

00:59:25.469 --> 00:59:28.375
and disabled saturdays of
durham.
While we're a little more

00:59:29.812 --> 00:59:31.812
concerned really about the

00:59:32.312 --> 00:59:34.312
housing counseling and hope they

00:59:36.780 --> 00:59:38.780
can up that amount back up to

00:59:38.547 --> 00:59:41.160
$60,000 [Bell chimes] We have
met our goals.
Thank you.

00:59:41.453 --> 00:59:43.719
>> you said you had something
writ 13 you have given to the

00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:46.219
clerk?
>> yes.
>> thank you.
>> uh-huh.

00:59:47.453 --> 00:59:49.453
>> jack price.

00:59:50.188 --> 00:59:52.188
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor, members

00:59:52.625 --> 00:59:54.625
of the city council.

00:59:55.766 --> 00:59:57.766
i also want to comment about the

00:59:58.406 --> 01:00:00.406
plan that is before you.

01:00:01.234 --> 01:00:03.234
And just to say initially, it is

01:00:04.375 --> 01:00:07.344
an I long presentation, 127
pages and I think the meat of it

01:00:09.172 --> 01:00:10.812
is in the last section, which is
section six.

01:00:11.250 --> 01:00:13.250
I notice in the first part of

01:00:13.281 --> 01:00:15.281
the plan, the majority of it,

01:00:15.953 --> 01:00:17.953
there are a lot of good ideas,

01:00:18.391 --> 01:00:21.620
and good references and, you
know, a positive design on what

01:00:21.620 --> 01:00:23.620
might be done.

01:00:23.953 --> 01:00:26.859
At the same time, without
specific goals, none of these

01:00:28.656 --> 01:00:31.172
plans can actually be attempted
as to whether they're carrying

01:00:31.734 --> 01:00:33.734
out their proposals.

01:00:34.310 --> 01:00:36.310
i notice that the mayor pro tem

01:00:36.766 --> 01:00:38.766
was asking about that with

01:00:39.547 --> 01:00:42.109
respect to the subrecipients.
I think that this also applies

01:00:44.160 --> 01:00:46.160
to all of the agencies, the city

01:00:46.516 --> 01:00:49.422
agencies as well as the
subrecipients as to whether the

01:00:49.891 --> 01:00:52.859
goals are being meat.
I think that without goals, I

01:00:53.828 --> 01:00:56.219
think the previous speaker
mentioned those as referring to

01:00:57.656 --> 01:01:00.940
the previous plan, which was
specific and which the progress

01:01:00.922 --> 01:01:03.391
each year could be measured as
to whether the goals are being

01:01:03.391 --> 01:01:05.391
carried out.

01:01:06.500 --> 01:01:09.109
And I think it is -- when we met
with the department to go over

01:01:10.703 --> 01:01:12.703
what should be in the plan, this

01:01:13.141 --> 01:01:16.141
came up, initially, in the early
discussions months ago, that we

01:01:16.281 --> 01:01:19.160
needed to have specifics in
there so we could measure what

01:01:20.780 --> 01:01:21.547
was being done from
year-to-year.

01:01:23.391 --> 01:01:26.219
And the present plan, the only
notation in there as far as

01:01:26.828 --> 01:01:28.828
numbers are concerned was

01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:32.719
statements that in terms of the

01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:35.000
two priorities, which were

01:01:35.891 --> 01:01:37.891
outlined by the neighborhood

01:01:38.906 --> 01:01:40.906
revitalization and housing for

01:01:41.172 --> 01:01:44.109
persons with special needs that
no specifics were indicated in

01:01:44.969 --> 01:01:47.312
the plan.
Now, there have been plenty of

01:01:47.781 --> 01:01:49.781
time for the specifics to be put

01:01:50.938 --> 01:01:53.812
in there, but up to this point,
there aren't any goals.

01:01:54.688 --> 01:01:56.688
Without those, obviously, we

01:01:57.344 --> 01:01:59.719
can't measure what is being done
year by year.

01:02:01.453 --> 01:02:03.453
One other point I want to make

01:02:04.656 --> 01:02:07.562
here, I think it is rather
important that the supplemental

01:02:09.891 --> 01:02:11.891
agenda item, which is the

01:02:12.500 --> 01:02:14.500
rolling hills south side project

01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:16.969
area is intimately tied with the
consolidated plan.

01:02:17.406 --> 01:02:20.203
it is rather interesting they're
both coming up at the same time.

01:02:21.470 --> 01:02:23.470
I think that in some ways with

01:02:24.141 --> 01:02:26.141
regard to resources, they can't

01:02:27.484 --> 01:02:29.484
both be met as stated.

01:02:31.484 --> 01:02:34.780
There are three areas in the
consolidated plan that are

01:02:34.250 --> 01:02:36.250
mentioned, two areas in addition

01:02:36.484 --> 01:02:39.620
to rolling hills nap is
southwest durham and northeast

01:02:40.219 --> 01:02:42.219
central durham.

01:02:45.310 --> 01:02:47.310
The plan and we'll talk more

01:02:47.328 --> 01:02:48.703
about that on the supplemental
matter.

01:02:50.438 --> 01:02:52.875
There isn't any way foreseeably
with what is brought into play

01:02:54.141 --> 01:02:56.703
in the south side, which would
[Beep] Leave any money for the

01:02:58.641 --> 01:03:00.641
current plan to be carried out.

01:03:01.250 --> 01:03:03.484
I will have more information to
distribute later.
Thank you.

01:03:04.656 --> 01:03:06.656
>> you're welcome.

01:03:11.984 --> 01:03:13.984
Ryan firm an.

01:03:14.828 --> 01:03:17.766
>> good evening, I'm ryan firm
an, the heart group that

01:03:19.438 --> 01:03:21.906
includes housing advocates and
agencies across the spectrum.

01:03:24.203 --> 01:03:26.844
We passed information along to
the department of community
development.

01:03:27.969 --> 01:03:29.969
I want to read what we passed

01:03:31.750 --> 01:03:34.641
along to mike borrows.
We would like to confirm our

01:03:36.780 --> 01:03:37.984
report on the neighborhood
revitalization and northeast

01:03:39.160 --> 01:03:41.781
central durham and rolling hills
south side and housing for

01:03:42.484 --> 01:03:44.891
persons with special needs.
We did have several concerns

01:03:46.594 --> 01:03:48.719
with respect to the plan as
drafted.

01:03:49.656 --> 01:03:52.940
Anita and jack have touched on
this.
Our concern wasn't so much that

01:03:53.859 --> 01:03:55.859
the goals were too ambitious, it

01:03:56.562 --> 01:03:58.500
is that there are no numerical
goals at all.

01:03:58.906 --> 01:04:00.906
It is important that we specify

01:04:01.141 --> 01:04:03.141
a target of 75 supportive

01:04:04.672 --> 01:04:06.672
housing units and regularly

01:04:06.984 --> 01:04:09.953
report out the specimens of the
strategies.

01:04:11.219 --> 01:04:14.780
Aged housing and an excess of
substandard stock are not

01:04:15.281 --> 01:04:17.281
emphasized as in the last plan

01:04:18.328 --> 01:04:21.188
and prior plans or recent nis
data initiatives.

01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.000
aged housing is a formidable

01:04:27.469 --> 01:04:30.000
barrier for housing in durham.
We believe the plan should

01:04:31.940 --> 01:04:33.940
affirm support at a minimum for

01:04:33.672 --> 01:04:36.500
further exploration of a rental
property registration or
certification program.

01:04:38.281 --> 01:04:40.375
We ask for clarification on the
resources to support

01:04:40.438 --> 01:04:42.438
revitalization efforts.

01:04:44.312 --> 01:04:46.312
a penny for housing remain a

01:04:46.375 --> 01:04:48.375
dedicated fund for low-housing

01:04:50.156 --> 01:04:52.156
or be used to reimburse loans.

01:04:52.594 --> 01:04:54.594
We are concerned about how

01:04:55.859 --> 01:04:57.859
funding for rolling hills and

01:04:58.359 --> 01:05:00.594
south side will affect durham.
It is important to understand

01:05:01.359 --> 01:05:03.359
the implications of making it

01:05:04.141 --> 01:05:06.531
the focus of the revitalization
efforts by the plan and

01:05:07.266 --> 01:05:09.938
potentially for many more years
out.
We had two administrative

01:05:10.470 --> 01:05:12.470
concerns.

01:05:12.281 --> 01:05:14.281
First, the consolidated plan is

01:05:14.844 --> 01:05:16.844
a unique opportunity to put

01:05:17.470 --> 01:05:19.470
demographic income, vacancy

01:05:20.922 --> 01:05:23.484
information by census tract in
one readily accessible place for

01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:26.516
each neighborhood targeted.
We would like to see it included

01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:30.125
in the consolidation plan so
data can guide public and

01:05:30.125 --> 01:05:32.859
private agencies.
There is mention in the

01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:35.969
department of community
development about providing

01:05:37.940 --> 01:05:39.672
assistance and providing -- 
assisting grant writing for

01:05:39.766 --> 01:05:41.938
local nonprofit agencies.
That kind of information can

01:05:42.469 --> 01:05:44.938
help in those grants.
>> second, the draft

01:05:46.703 --> 01:05:48.781
questionnaire for the removal of
regulatory barriers was not

01:05:48.781 --> 01:05:51.578
included.
Assuming this is part of the

01:05:53.470 --> 01:05:55.470
plan, we reiterate a request

01:05:55.312 --> 01:05:57.156
that a draft is provided for
review and comment.

01:05:58.422 --> 01:06:00.422
Thank you for listening.

01:06:01.984 --> 01:06:03.984
>> next is daphne hopkins.

01:06:05.391 --> 01:06:07.797
>> good evening, my name is
daphne hopkins on sprite avenue

01:06:07.797 --> 01:06:09.797
in durham.

01:06:10.234 --> 01:06:12.734
I'm a member of the people's
alliance housing committee.

01:06:15.203 --> 01:06:18.141
My message is quite simply, the
importance of continuing for

01:06:18.234 --> 01:06:20.234
funding for nonprofits and the

01:06:20.609 --> 01:06:22.609
work they do in the community

01:06:23.375 --> 01:06:25.312
that doesn't affect other
agencies, don't really take the

01:06:26.281 --> 01:06:28.578
place of the work that they do
for low income citizens.

01:06:30.609 --> 01:06:32.609
So we feel that that is crucial.

01:06:33.688 --> 01:06:35.688
A second point is targeted one

01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:37.688
penny, one cent for housing for
affordable housing.

01:06:39.940 --> 01:06:41.891
It is the only way, to on a
regular basis be able to address

01:06:43.156 --> 01:06:45.531
the enormous housing needs in
our community.

01:06:47.672 --> 01:06:50.609
the proposed cuts of funds are
nonprofits will hurt

01:06:52.109 --> 01:06:53.875
lower-income citizens who need
affordable housing.

01:06:54.469 --> 01:06:57.172
Mayor pro tem made a good point
about goals and goals are

01:06:58.844 --> 01:07:00.812
essential and a clear part of
this.

01:07:02.160 --> 01:07:04.160
But many of the nonprofits

01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:06.547
indeed have met those goals and
provided an important service

01:07:06.922 --> 01:07:08.359
and they should not be
overlooked.

01:07:13.310 --> 01:07:15.828
Thank you.
>> susan olive.
>> thank you.

01:07:16.969 --> 01:07:19.656
I'm honored to be here on behalf
of urban ministries of durham,

01:07:20.125 --> 01:07:22.125
which I serve as the treasurer.

01:07:22.562 --> 01:07:25.406
As the treasurer, I'm obviously
acutely aware of funding and the

01:07:25.406 --> 01:07:28.172
need for it.
we certainly appreciate what all

01:07:28.438 --> 01:07:31.312
the working committee has done
and the allocations that are

01:07:31.672 --> 01:07:33.672
proposed for the ministries for

01:07:35.375 --> 01:07:37.375
the 2010-2011 coming year.

01:07:39.219 --> 01:07:41.219
That includes $50,000 of cdbg

01:07:41.250 --> 01:07:43.484
funding to feed the homeless.
I'm here not to talk about the

01:07:44.940 --> 01:07:46.562
next few days as I am about the
next several years and our

01:07:48.797 --> 01:07:50.797
concern about what the five-year

01:07:51.359 --> 01:07:52.828
plan would do after this coming
fiscal year.

01:07:54.469 --> 01:07:56.703
This is a time of economic belt
tightening, we can see that.

01:07:57.203 --> 01:07:59.328
We can also see that the
investments that have been made

01:08:00.297 --> 01:08:02.297
in things like the american

01:08:03.734 --> 01:08:05.906
tobacco complex have paid huge
dividends
dividends.

01:08:06.109 --> 01:08:08.844
Rolling hills, the elephant in
the room is going to be the same

01:08:10.953 --> 01:08:12.953
kind of worthy investment, I

01:08:23.310 --> 01:08:26.310
don't know.
We trust you to make the
decisions on that.

01:08:26.703 --> 01:08:29.406
Where the fund comings from is
critically important.

01:08:30.703 --> 01:08:32.703
we ask that rolling hills should

01:08:33.344 --> 01:08:36.344
not be funded in a way to take
money from urban ministries,

01:08:37.281 --> 01:08:39.875
housing for new hope unless
other monies are provided to

01:08:39.875 --> 01:08:41.875
replace the funds.

01:08:41.984 --> 01:08:43.984
The consolidated plan proposes

01:08:44.375 --> 01:08:46.375
to do exactly that.

01:08:48.453 --> 01:08:50.453
The $50,000 cdbg money that

01:08:50.828 --> 01:08:53.656
urban ministries gets goes
dollar for dollar audited to

01:08:54.620 --> 01:08:55.750
provide 50 thousand meals to
homeless folks.

01:08:57.940 --> 01:08:59.940
You remember, as I do, what it

01:08:59.297 --> 01:09:01.297
is like to have people asking

01:09:02.328 --> 01:09:05.141
for money, asking for food, up
and down the streets of durham.

01:09:06.172 --> 01:09:08.172
If we don't have that money

01:09:08.344 --> 01:09:10.344
going to help pay for meals to

01:09:11.812 --> 01:09:14.172
feed those folks, where else are
they gonna get it?

01:09:15.578 --> 01:09:17.160
We can't do it by building
development.

01:09:17.688 --> 01:09:19.688
There has to be a way to give

01:09:19.875 --> 01:09:21.875
money to urban ministries one

01:09:21.891 --> 01:09:24.516
way or another to replace that.
The other thing is that we

01:09:26.453 --> 01:09:29.453
notice in theory, eight units
within each phase of the rolling

01:09:30.188 --> 01:09:32.188
hills subdevelopment were

01:09:33.156 --> 01:09:34.969
supposed to be reserved for
former

01:09:36.438 --> 01:09:38.703
formerly low-income households.
There is not the need for that.

01:09:40.141 --> 01:09:42.141
These are the folks we are

01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:44.438
transitioning out of urban
ministries.

01:09:45.312 --> 01:09:47.938
We provide meals and shelter.
They have to go someplace.

01:09:48.141 --> 01:09:50.141
We need a commitment.

01:09:50.609 --> 01:09:52.750
Not just goals to monitor, but
make sure these folks have a

01:09:52.750 --> 01:09:55.156
place to stay.
Money for them to be able to

01:09:55.156 --> 01:09:57.422
move on.
We can't do this without your

01:09:57.422 --> 01:09:59.422
funding.

01:09:59.484 --> 01:10:02.125
We're consistently seeking more
funding.
We appreciate the suggestion

01:10:02.859 --> 01:10:04.266
that y'all will help in that
effort.

01:10:05.391 --> 01:10:06.828
New funds are to support new
needs.

01:10:08.531 --> 01:10:10.531
We can't do it by taking away

01:10:10.562 --> 01:10:12.562
our $50,000 of existing funding

01:10:12.969 --> 01:10:14.500
and say we will help you find
funding.

01:10:15.266 --> 01:10:18.109
We have more people than ever to
feed at urban ministries.

01:10:18.969 --> 01:10:21.641
Take away $50,000 and say we
will help you find grants [Beep]

01:10:22.109 --> 01:10:24.312
That doesn't help us with the
money we need.
Thank you.

01:10:24.312 --> 01:10:26.906
[Beep].
>> you're welcome.

01:10:31.625 --> 01:10:33.625
>> and ann atchinson.

01:10:35.328 --> 01:10:36.688
>> thank you, mayor bell, and
council.

01:10:38.219 --> 01:10:40.219
I'm ann atchinson, I belong to

01:10:40.859 --> 01:10:43.391
the united church of christ that
supports an awful lot of the

01:10:44.391 --> 01:10:46.391
agencies that are here tonight.

01:10:47.828 --> 01:10:49.828
And I'm here on behalf of those

01:10:50.500 --> 01:10:52.500
organizations that will lose out

01:10:52.703 --> 01:10:55.312
if you decide to devote the
funds to rolling hills and south

01:10:56.484 --> 01:10:58.484
side for the next 20 years.

01:10:58.578 --> 01:11:00.578
It is a tough decision for you.

01:11:02.719 --> 01:11:05.344
You have a weak economy, a tight
budget, and a lot of need.

01:11:07.328 --> 01:11:10.156
You have a longstanding
developer for the rolling hills.

01:11:10.453 --> 01:11:12.797
Practicals like the south side
neighborhood, it could be a

01:11:12.828 --> 01:11:15.531
great community development.
on the other hand, the block

01:11:17.940 --> 01:11:19.940
grant recipients for the coming

01:11:20.969 --> 01:11:23.766
fiscal and coming years, long
list of community orgs that do

01:11:24.406 --> 01:11:26.938
great work and been accountable
to our community for decades.

01:11:27.780 --> 01:11:29.875
They have many community
partners like my church.

01:11:30.203 --> 01:11:33.172
Those partners provide serious
matching leverage for the
dollars you spent.

01:11:34.219 --> 01:11:36.160
where is the match for rolling
hills?

01:11:38.422 --> 01:11:40.422
I ask you that question.

01:11:42.156 --> 01:11:44.156
I ask you to commit to find

01:11:45.156 --> 01:11:47.156
funds for these projects, these

01:11:47.562 --> 01:11:49.562
organizations if you decide to

01:11:52.940 --> 01:11:54.940
go forward with plans to change

01:11:54.469 --> 01:11:56.766
the way you fund -- use
block-grant money.

01:11:56.906 --> 01:11:58.641
Thank you very much.
>> you're welcome.

01:11:59.875 --> 01:12:01.875
Susan amy.

01:12:02.375 --> 01:12:05.470
>> good evening, mayor bell,
members of council, without a

01:12:05.875 --> 01:12:08.609
doubt, we recognize that rolling
hills south side development can

01:12:09.109 --> 01:12:11.781
offer tremendous benefits for
the city of durham and we

01:12:12.470 --> 01:12:14.688
appreciate that there is very
difficult choices that you have
to make.

01:12:15.453 --> 01:12:17.453
as a member of the urb app

01:12:18.250 --> 01:12:20.859
ministries of durham's board of
directors, I want to make sure

01:12:21.828 --> 01:12:23.828
you understand what is at stake

01:12:23.859 --> 01:12:25.859
in the potential for elimination

01:12:27.328 --> 01:12:29.328
or curtailment of the community

01:12:29.500 --> 01:12:31.500
development block grant funds.

01:12:32.734 --> 01:12:34.734
Susan olive spoke eloquently

01:12:35.780 --> 01:12:37.780
about the $50,000 in the funds,

01:12:37.516 --> 01:12:39.750
goes to provide 50,000 meals for
homeless men, women, children

01:12:39.750 --> 01:12:42.109
each year.
I want to provide additional

01:12:42.109 --> 01:12:44.109
context.

01:12:44.484 --> 01:12:46.484
Urban ministries is a community

01:12:46.578 --> 01:12:48.688
organization that can best be
compared to hospital emergency
room.

01:12:50.160 --> 01:12:52.160
We are the first step in the

01:12:52.391 --> 01:12:53.859
continuum of care for people in
homelessness.

01:12:55.125 --> 01:12:57.125
Regardless of what you think

01:12:57.422 --> 01:13:00.328
about the progress of the
10-year plan to end homelessness

01:13:01.828 --> 01:13:04.234
is making, umb and others in the
city who care for this

01:13:04.234 --> 01:13:06.234
population are working together

01:13:06.344 --> 01:13:09.780
more closely and collaboratively
than they ever have in their
hospital.

01:13:09.780 --> 01:13:11.780
They're working together to

01:13:11.312 --> 01:13:13.906
assess the needs of members of
the population, identify

01:13:14.438 --> 01:13:16.812
resources, help clients make the
journey toward permanent

01:13:17.470 --> 01:13:19.470
housing, which is the ultimate

01:13:19.250 --> 01:13:21.984
goal to move people out of
homelessness.
Without this work, more people

01:13:22.453 --> 01:13:24.453
have the opportunity to slide

01:13:24.547 --> 01:13:27.160
into chronic homelessness and
many will never receive the

01:13:27.188 --> 01:13:29.359
guidance and care they need to
make the steps.

01:13:31.234 --> 01:13:33.234
I want to give you an example.

01:13:34.531 --> 01:13:36.562
Sandy is an elderly woman that
entered umb.

01:13:38.375 --> 01:13:41.234
she has significant and
increasing mental and physical
disabilities.

01:13:41.734 --> 01:13:43.109
She does not have family to live
with.

01:13:44.141 --> 01:13:47.141
She can't work, she wasn't live
alone.
There is nowhere else to go.

01:13:49.984 --> 01:13:51.984
Our staff has worked with a past

01:13:55.470 --> 01:13:57.470
team at new home linking mental

01:13:59.594 --> 01:14:02.562
services, durham center for
health services.

01:14:04.562 --> 01:14:06.562
She's applied to be a resident

01:14:07.500 --> 01:14:10.500
of new home square permanent
housing development.
There are many people with the

01:14:11.234 --> 01:14:12.766
types of complex needs that
santy has.

01:14:13.906 --> 01:14:16.438
I want to make sure that you
consider that taking funds from

01:14:17.438 --> 01:14:19.438
the immediate needs of people

01:14:19.578 --> 01:14:21.984
like sandy to fund rolling hills
will not fix the problems of

01:14:24.344 --> 01:14:26.344
durham so much as moving them.

01:14:26.609 --> 01:14:28.609
I remind you of the

01:14:28.844 --> 01:14:30.844
organizations like umd that

01:14:31.391 --> 01:14:34.940
serve as many as 7,000 people a
year.
I urge you not to take funds

01:14:35.531 --> 01:14:37.766
from the organizations without
first identifying how the funds

01:14:37.797 --> 01:14:39.797
can be replaced.

01:14:40.940 --> 01:14:42.500
i can assure you if we knew
where to find them, we would

01:14:42.859 --> 01:14:45.734
have done so already.
A continuum of community care

01:14:45.906 --> 01:14:47.938
requires a continuum of
community funding.

01:14:48.438 --> 01:14:50.438
Thank you.

01:14:53.109 --> 01:14:55.109
>> you're welcome.

01:15:14.766 --> 01:15:17.500
victoria peterson.
>> I would like to look at this

01:15:18.734 --> 01:15:20.734
in a different way.

01:15:23.906 --> 01:15:25.906
durham needs a good carpenter

01:15:26.406 --> 01:15:27.812
training program for our young
people.

01:15:29.109 --> 01:15:30.516
Not just for one job, but
ongoing.

01:15:31.453 --> 01:15:33.453
Mr. Mayor, city council, I would

01:15:34.844 --> 01:15:37.812
like to see durham bring back
youthville or several programs

01:15:37.812 --> 01:15:39.812
similar to youthville.

01:15:39.984 --> 01:15:41.984
I would like that to actually be

01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:45.250
put in this grant here.
That it go to the feds.

01:15:46.940 --> 01:15:48.891
We still have a lot of boarded
up houses in our community.

01:15:49.625 --> 01:15:51.562
We still have a lot of
commercial buildings.

01:15:54.609 --> 01:15:57.234
We have groups that come over,
bring their team and they fix up

01:15:58.406 --> 01:16:01.281
houses and they get up, they
gand they leave.

01:16:01.547 --> 01:16:03.547
Yes, one or two organizations

01:16:04.780 --> 01:16:06.780
may be working with a few youth,

01:16:06.172 --> 01:16:07.812
but we need more than just one
or two.

01:16:10.578 --> 01:16:12.578
This needs to be a broadened and

01:16:13.391 --> 01:16:16.125
broad abroad across the city
understand maybe go out to the
county.

01:16:17.620 --> 01:16:19.594
Mr. Mayor, we still have too
many young men in this community

01:16:21.188 --> 01:16:23.297
that are hanging out on the
street and just out there

01:16:23.297 --> 01:16:25.297
getting in trouble.

01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:29.359
If we had a good training, a

01:16:32.500 --> 01:16:35.780
good carpentry program, 13
weeks, 16 weeks to help them get

01:16:35.906 --> 01:16:38.780
training and then go out into
the community and start fixing

01:16:39.109 --> 01:16:40.812
up some of the houses, even
rolling hills.

01:16:41.453 --> 01:16:42.812
I have a concern about rolling
hills.

01:16:43.781 --> 01:16:46.422
i want us to do something, but
my concern is that these

01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:49.359
companies that are going to get

01:16:51.484 --> 01:16:53.797
these contracts are going to be
bringing men from other parts of

01:16:53.797 --> 01:16:56.797
the state.
We have to put something in
place now.

01:16:58.703 --> 01:17:00.734
A training, so that when rolling
hills starts going and some of

01:17:02.172 --> 01:17:04.172
the other houses that can be

01:17:04.734 --> 01:17:06.734
worked on and fixed that our

01:17:07.375 --> 01:17:09.547
young men and women in this
community will get those jobs.

01:17:10.516 --> 01:17:12.516
We would not have to worry about

01:17:12.750 --> 01:17:14.750
so much about homelessness,

01:17:15.344 --> 01:17:17.344
about feeding folks three and

01:17:17.516 --> 01:17:19.953
four meals a day if durham had
their own various kinds of

01:17:20.453 --> 01:17:22.453
training programs.

01:17:22.547 --> 01:17:25.328
Solar panels.
Solar panelling across this

01:17:26.484 --> 01:17:28.484
country could be a very

01:17:28.766 --> 01:17:30.156
lucrative business for this
community.

01:17:31.422 --> 01:17:33.797
Where is the training for our
young men and women in this

01:17:35.703 --> 01:17:37.703
community to know solar panels?

01:17:37.969 --> 01:17:40.875
You know, some of us are already
doing fiber optic.

01:17:42.578 --> 01:17:44.578
To the homes.

01:17:44.781 --> 01:17:47.250
Various other good kind of
training programs if our young

01:17:48.719 --> 01:17:51.344
men and women had the skills and
training, we could put people to

01:17:51.953 --> 01:17:53.953
work and even bring and lure

01:17:54.312 --> 01:17:56.312
more companies here to durham.

01:17:56.750 --> 01:17:58.750
But that is the only thing I

01:17:58.859 --> 01:18:00.859
would like to say, Mr. Mayor, if

01:18:00.984 --> 01:18:02.984
there was some way that in the

01:18:04.297 --> 01:18:06.391
future, we could put a good
carpentry, construction training

01:18:07.172 --> 01:18:09.938
program that could be used for
part of these funds.

01:18:10.328 --> 01:18:12.620
[Beep] Thank you very much.
>> you're welcome.

01:18:13.500 --> 01:18:16.172
Last speaker is steven hopkins.
>> Mr. Mayor, city council, it

01:18:18.750 --> 01:18:20.750
is good to see you, I am going

01:18:21.250 --> 01:18:23.250
to steal Ms. Peterson's line, I

01:18:24.160 --> 01:18:25.688
will put a different twist on
this.

01:18:26.891 --> 01:18:28.891
i'm concerned about the housing.

01:18:28.984 --> 01:18:30.984
Number one, foreclosures are at

01:18:31.156 --> 01:18:33.156
an all-time high.

01:18:33.422 --> 01:18:34.750
People are losing jobs left and
right.

01:18:36.656 --> 01:18:38.656
And if they don't get some kind

01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:42.391
of help, you know, it is going
to be a problem.

01:18:43.797 --> 01:18:46.500
If you cut funding for
counseling and stuff, it is

01:18:47.375 --> 01:18:49.766
going to get worse.
I'm going to another twist.

01:18:51.672 --> 01:18:53.438
As you know, curdur, we're an
old community.

01:18:55.641 --> 01:18:57.984
A lot of our properties have
been identified with lead

01:18:57.984 --> 01:18:59.984
hazards.

01:19:00.780 --> 01:19:02.422
I don't see anything in the
consolidated plan to address

01:19:02.484 --> 01:19:04.484
that.

01:19:05.984 --> 01:19:07.328
We have a lead program, it is
gone.

01:19:08.719 --> 01:19:10.719
yet we're still out here

01:19:12.940 --> 01:19:14.969
everyday testing houses, finding
lead, hazard.

01:19:17.703 --> 01:19:19.828
Lead is an issue, kids six and
under.

01:19:19.828 --> 01:19:21.297
Teenagers, their mind continues
to develop.

01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:24.266
We have our elderly.
It do affect them.

01:19:26.312 --> 01:19:28.938
We need to address the
lead-based situation.
You know.

01:19:30.781 --> 01:19:32.781
i'm here representing the

01:19:37.984 --> 01:19:40.781
partnership of advancement of
children's health.
Peach.

01:19:43.719 --> 01:19:45.656
We need to address the lead
hazard in this city.

01:19:46.969 --> 01:19:48.734
I would like to talk about the
homeless population.

01:19:50.234 --> 01:19:51.828
when I say homeless, not your
traditional homeless.

01:19:53.797 --> 01:19:55.969
We have a lot of ex-offenders
coming back into the community

01:19:57.672 --> 01:19:59.703
that are being denied work,
housing and everything else.

01:19:59.875 --> 01:20:01.875
So they're homeless.

01:20:02.470 --> 01:20:04.470
Think about it, folks, if we

01:20:04.984 --> 01:20:06.984
don't help these folks, they're

01:20:07.875 --> 01:20:10.344
going to wreak havoc, they are
wreaking havoc on us.

01:20:10.344 --> 01:20:12.625
And the police chief.
thank you.

01:20:15.160 --> 01:20:17.160
>> that concludes the public

01:20:17.656 --> 01:20:19.656
hearing session.

01:20:19.922 --> 01:20:22.266
I will close the public hearing.
The matter is back before the

01:20:22.266 --> 01:20:25.620
council.
Any comments?

01:20:27.203 --> 01:20:29.266
Recognize Councilwoman Catotti.
>> thank you, mayor.

01:20:29.266 --> 01:20:31.578
Thank you, staff.
I have several questions.

01:20:32.672 --> 01:20:34.672
i guess, the first one is can

01:20:36.609 --> 01:20:38.609
you tell me about the urgency of

01:20:40.422 --> 01:20:42.422
passing this tonight?

01:20:42.609 --> 01:20:44.859
What is the time constraint?
>> we can make minor

01:20:44.859 --> 01:20:47.750
adjustments.
We need to get it dealt with, it

01:20:48.250 --> 01:20:50.797
can be dealt with at the
worksession if not tonight.

01:20:51.328 --> 01:20:53.797
However, as long as we're not
making major changes.

01:20:55.234 --> 01:20:57.594
May I also say that I think the
last two years and possibly the

01:21:00.620 --> 01:21:02.734
last three years, the action
plan which is how we will spend

01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:06.438
the money, passed on the consent
agenda.
That is unusual.

01:21:07.406 --> 01:21:09.641
In other words, there was no
discussion, primarily because

01:21:10.250 --> 01:21:12.438
the application process and
everything else seemed to fit

01:21:14.312 --> 01:21:16.984
the goals of the community, the
council and people being served,

01:21:17.812 --> 01:21:20.391
you ask yourself what is
different tonight?

01:21:21.328 --> 01:21:23.656
Well the transparency that this
administration had over the

01:21:25.940 --> 01:21:27.940
possible use of cdbg and home

01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:31.797
money in the future has been
admirable.
We could be having this

01:21:32.203 --> 01:21:34.203
conversation without having had

01:21:34.375 --> 01:21:36.375
the transparency that if we go

01:21:36.562 --> 01:21:38.562
this certain route tell change

01:21:39.172 --> 01:21:41.172
how we use entitlement funding.

01:21:41.406 --> 01:21:43.141
We didn't, we chose to go that
way.

01:21:44.375 --> 01:21:46.875
It is serendipity that that is
on your action plan with the

01:21:48.109 --> 01:21:50.109
five year and action plan.

01:21:51.922 --> 01:21:53.922
It is also probably good.

01:21:54.547 --> 01:21:56.750
had are other reasons you are
having a question bait about the

01:21:57.328 --> 01:22:00.125
action plan nap is because of
the economy causing more needs.

01:22:00.797 --> 01:22:02.766
We have concern over how
services are delivered.

01:22:04.422 --> 01:22:06.297
I wanted to premise what I said
with that.

01:22:07.203 --> 01:22:09.734
After doing all that I need you
to reask me the question.

01:22:12.906 --> 01:22:15.500
I apologize for that.
[Laughter].
>> you answered my question,

01:22:16.812 --> 01:22:19.780
which is we could make minor
adjustments and do it thursday.

01:22:20.453 --> 01:22:22.453
>> I have two experts with me

01:22:22.875 --> 01:22:24.875
too, including the consultant.

01:22:25.156 --> 01:22:26.922
I will let Ms. Conners further
comment on that.

01:22:28.422 --> 01:22:30.859
>> I would like to add this is
a draft plan.

01:22:31.453 --> 01:22:33.453
We can make minor corrections

01:22:34.500 --> 01:22:36.766
and adjustments, keep in mind it
must be submitted to the

01:22:38.797 --> 01:22:40.797
department of housing and urban

01:22:41.906 --> 01:22:44.672
development by May 15th.
Otherwise we jeopardize the

01:22:46.141 --> 01:22:48.844
represent of our funding.
We can make adjustments.

01:22:52.438 --> 01:22:54.781
>> I appreciate that, and the
comments of our citizens.

01:22:55.781 --> 01:22:57.781
i do recall specific targets in

01:22:57.812 --> 01:22:59.953
the past, what were our goals,
what did we make.

01:23:00.625 --> 01:23:03.312
It is absent from this plan.
So can you comment on the lack

01:23:07.562 --> 01:23:09.562
of specific targets, lacks of

01:23:09.922 --> 01:23:11.891
goals, lack of specificity in
numerical terms.

01:23:12.828 --> 01:23:14.531
It is helpful to track
year-to-year what our goals

01:23:15.500 --> 01:23:17.969
were, where we want to go and
how to get there.

01:23:17.969 --> 01:23:20.438
>> several people brought up a
goal and that is the creation of

01:23:21.438 --> 01:23:24.109
the special needs housing.
Particularly since we had two

01:23:24.844 --> 01:23:26.812
broad goals, neighborhood
revitalization, which includes a

01:23:27.812 --> 01:23:29.812
variety of hinges you think of,

01:23:30.406 --> 01:23:32.641
home rehabilitation,
neighborhood beautification.

01:23:33.844 --> 01:23:35.281
The other was special needs
housing.

01:23:36.470 --> 01:23:38.470
The reason we suggested those

01:23:38.594 --> 01:23:40.594
two goals is because we also

01:23:40.984 --> 01:23:42.984
were going to be presenting to

01:23:43.500 --> 01:23:46.125
you a change in the way we use
entitlement monies, which make

01:23:47.156 --> 01:23:49.859
it difficult to predict what we
will do in the other categories,

01:23:51.234 --> 01:23:53.797
fort money is going into for
instance, rolling hills and

01:23:53.797 --> 01:23:55.797
south side.

01:23:56.703 --> 01:23:58.703
The special needs, we had in the

01:24:00.160 --> 01:24:01.516
draft form, there are not any
that is online.

01:24:02.344 --> 01:24:04.344
I believe in the one you have,
there is 10.

01:24:06.780 --> 01:24:08.422
It is not clear if that is fen
for five years or 10 a year.

01:24:09.219 --> 01:24:11.812
Special needs housing, creating
50 over the five-year plan.

01:24:13.125 --> 01:24:16.310
We think that is a doable goal.
We have several resources to

01:24:16.328 --> 01:24:18.719
use, regardless of how the
decision is made tonight on the

01:24:20.234 --> 01:24:22.234
other entitlement accident.

01:24:23.703 --> 01:24:26.469
One is our home dedicated choto
money.
That is community housing

01:24:27.109 --> 01:24:29.672
develop accident organizations
did not need to create special

01:24:31.780 --> 01:24:33.641
needs housing, they can do other
things but oftentimes they do.

01:24:35.516 --> 01:24:37.516
Also money set aside by council

01:24:38.470 --> 01:24:40.219
to try to meet the 10-year plan
goals.
we're comfortable with 10 a

01:24:40.219 --> 01:24:42.219
year.

01:24:42.625 --> 01:24:44.656
If you decided, based on the
articulate testimony you heard

01:24:45.219 --> 01:24:47.219
tonight to make it 20 and we

01:24:48.828 --> 01:24:50.828
would be look at 100 instead of

01:24:51.940 --> 01:24:53.940
50 over the five years, it might

01:24:53.188 --> 01:24:55.188
be difficult to do.

01:24:55.594 --> 01:24:58.406
Would we be penalized if we
didn't make it?
No.

01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:00.969
It is not like hud would have a
finding or concern.

01:25:02.109 --> 01:25:04.406
We try to be realistic.
Five years ago we were not

01:25:04.812 --> 01:25:06.969
facing the situation of the
complete change and how we

01:25:08.516 --> 01:25:10.938
address doing things to use the
mayor's phrase, rifle shot

01:25:11.160 --> 01:25:13.160
versus shotgun.

01:25:14.219 --> 01:25:16.484
It made it very difficult to do
a five-year plan and put

01:25:16.844 --> 01:25:19.453
numerical numbers on there when
we don't know the resources

01:25:23.620 --> 01:25:25.620
we'll have.

01:25:26.156 --> 01:25:28.156
>> I have to say I find that

01:25:30.703 --> 01:25:32.859
more troubling than -- I'm
comfortable with the next item.

01:25:33.266 --> 01:25:36.203
And frankly the penny for
housing we were going to talk
about later.

01:25:37.406 --> 01:25:40.172
It worries me that it sounds
like what we're saying we have

01:25:40.609 --> 01:25:42.609
no goals because we don't think

01:25:43.906 --> 01:25:45.906
we will have money to do it upon

01:25:46.609 --> 01:25:48.781
I thought our approach later on
is we would talk about money to

01:25:49.688 --> 01:25:51.688
meet the goals we have.

01:25:51.812 --> 01:25:53.812
>> look at page 613 over the

01:25:55.859 --> 01:25:57.859
next five years, 25 slum

01:25:59.688 --> 01:26:02.266
blooited units demolished.
60 housing units brought from

01:26:04.562 --> 01:26:06.562
substandard to standard.

01:26:07.940 --> 01:26:08.906
150 rental units constructed
acquired.

01:26:10.375 --> 01:26:11.938
125 units for disabled or
elderly.

01:26:12.906 --> 01:26:15.469
10 permanent housing units for
homeless, that is supposed to be

01:26:16.141 --> 01:26:18.141
50 on a yearly basis.

01:26:19.406 --> 01:26:22.344
We have figures in here.
Are they as ampicious as we

01:26:22.453 --> 01:26:24.453
might want?

01:26:32.969 --> 01:26:34.969
No, they're conservative.

01:26:35.328 --> 01:26:38.266
Dowe need a reference to that
page number again?
Oh.

01:26:39.562 --> 01:26:41.562
>> I found that and I lost my

01:26:42.406 --> 01:26:44.641
notes on what else I wanted to
ask you.

01:26:45.109 --> 01:26:47.797
Regarding some of the other
concerns raised including

01:26:48.470 --> 01:26:50.470
demographic information and the
hud questionnaire.

01:26:50.281 --> 01:26:52.281
Can you address them?

01:26:53.719 --> 01:26:55.812
>> I will ask Ms. Connors or the
consultant to address that.

01:26:57.875 --> 01:27:00.281
>> with regard to the hud
questionnaire, that is not a

01:27:01.125 --> 01:27:02.453
requirement of the annual action
plan.

01:27:04.250 --> 01:27:06.250
and with regard to the

01:27:06.297 --> 01:27:08.297
lead-based hazards, that is

01:27:21.609 --> 01:27:23.609
addressed on 6-15, I believe.

01:27:24.438 --> 01:27:27.172
>> I guess just in follow-up, is
that the draft questionnaire
available?

01:27:27.172 --> 01:27:29.172
Can it be shared with the

01:27:29.719 --> 01:27:32.453
community or agencies that are
concerned?
>> the draft questionnaire was

01:27:33.160 --> 01:27:36.160
something that was incorporated
into the previous five-year plan

01:27:37.328 --> 01:27:39.328
and that is not a requirement

01:27:39.984 --> 01:27:41.984
but however, we had to address

01:27:42.219 --> 01:27:44.219
the section of reg raatory

01:27:44.500 --> 01:27:46.562
barriers and that is addressing
this plan.

01:27:49.766 --> 01:27:51.766
>> my name is pat crawford.

01:27:55.906 --> 01:27:58.578
I'm a member of the freedman con
consettle

01:27:59.281 --> 01:28:01.281
consettling associates.

01:28:01.781 --> 01:28:03.781
I'm glad to be here.

01:28:05.547 --> 01:28:08.250
Grout of the program and it is
good to be back in durham.

01:28:09.719 --> 01:28:11.953
i want to point out that the
city of durham has done an

01:28:12.828 --> 01:28:15.940
outstanding job in making sure
that the community had an

01:28:15.940 --> 01:28:17.940
opportunity to comment.

01:28:18.297 --> 01:28:20.969
A lost the comments that hud is
looking for are from people who

01:28:23.469 --> 01:28:25.328
live in the communities, low or
moderate-income people who are

01:28:25.766 --> 01:28:28.469
going to be affected by some of
the activities that the city

01:28:29.703 --> 01:28:31.703
would be undertaking and want to

01:28:32.469 --> 01:28:34.469
make sure that those people who

01:28:34.984 --> 01:28:37.250
are greatly to be affected would
have an opportunity to comment

01:28:39.250 --> 01:28:41.250
and participate in this process.

01:28:43.688 --> 01:28:45.688
The city has been very gracious

01:28:47.750 --> 01:28:49.750
in having partners to come in to

01:28:52.125 --> 01:28:53.594
participate and to give their
comment.

01:28:57.359 --> 01:28:59.359
Mr. Burress gave me a list

01:28:59.875 --> 01:29:01.875
generated by Mr. Firman, we went

01:29:03.578 --> 01:29:05.578
over this carefully to make sure

01:29:06.203 --> 01:29:08.906
components were included.
There were specific answers that

01:29:11.344 --> 01:29:13.344
he answered, e-mail and phone

01:29:13.688 --> 01:29:15.688
conversation with Mr. Firman.

01:29:15.953 --> 01:29:18.453
He mentioned the part about the
regulatory barriers.

01:29:20.160 --> 01:29:22.160
We have made a comment about

01:29:22.625 --> 01:29:24.625
that in the plan.

01:29:26.797 --> 01:29:29.125
But it is also person to note
that the comments that come from

01:29:29.766 --> 01:29:32.734
the public, that we will make
sure that they are included as a

01:29:34.172 --> 01:29:36.766
part of the attachment to the
consolidated plan as far as the

01:29:38.109 --> 01:29:40.109
comments that were made.

01:29:41.438 --> 01:29:43.438
The city is obligated to respond

01:29:44.781 --> 01:29:46.781
in writing, but the best way to

01:29:47.250 --> 01:29:49.250
be inclusive of what everybody

01:29:49.656 --> 01:29:51.656
said is to provide the summary

01:29:53.953 --> 01:29:55.953
which hud requires and also the

01:30:02.797 --> 01:30:04.797
regulations in section 91.105

01:30:05.125 --> 01:30:08.000
recognize that even though we
have the citizen participation

01:30:08.406 --> 01:30:10.938
comment, that the authority and
the ability for the student to

01:30:11.969 --> 01:30:14.780
put together a consolidated plan
still has that right.

01:30:15.406 --> 01:30:17.406
And to make sure that we do

01:30:18.109 --> 01:30:20.109
include everybody's comments, we

01:30:21.160 --> 01:30:23.160
can attach that to the plan and

01:30:23.516 --> 01:30:25.516
those components, which are

01:30:25.547 --> 01:30:28.250
required by hud, we have gone
through the check list to make

01:30:28.828 --> 01:30:30.828
sure all of those are there.

01:30:32.625 --> 01:30:34.625
we tried to be very responsive

01:30:35.310 --> 01:30:36.453
to the comments and being
inclusive.

01:30:37.891 --> 01:30:40.438
However, I do want to emphasize
the comments made by the

01:30:40.562 --> 01:30:42.562
citizens, we hear them.

01:30:42.875 --> 01:30:45.438
We primarily want to make sure
low or moderate income people

01:30:46.141 --> 01:30:48.844
who are affected by the programs
and are going to be served by

01:30:49.438 --> 01:30:51.609
the programs have that
opportunity to comment.

01:30:52.984 --> 01:30:55.641
we made sure we had a number of
hearings and meetings and made

01:30:57.688 --> 01:30:59.688
sure we had them in places that

01:31:00.812 --> 01:31:03.750
the public could come and
participate.
>> thank you, I recognize

01:31:03.750 --> 01:31:05.750
Councilwoman Catotti.

01:31:06.625 --> 01:31:08.625
>> thank you, mayor, just going

01:31:09.422 --> 01:31:11.422
back to page 6-13 where you have

01:31:11.859 --> 01:31:14.766
the proposed accomplishments,
are these -- well, I just want

01:31:15.906 --> 01:31:18.500
to check the numbers.
It does note 10 permanent

01:31:18.500 --> 01:31:20.500
housing units.

01:31:21.375 --> 01:31:22.812
Mr. Barrett, you suggest 10 per
year.

01:31:23.438 --> 01:31:25.438
50, will that be corrected here.

01:31:25.672 --> 01:31:27.672
>> yes, that will be corrected.

01:31:30.688 --> 01:31:32.688
>> any of the other numbers

01:31:33.344 --> 01:31:35.688
annual as opposed to over the
five-year period.

01:31:36.578 --> 01:31:38.578
That one stood out to me because

01:31:39.219 --> 01:31:41.219
it was brought to my attention.

01:31:42.219 --> 01:31:44.219
>> ok.

01:31:45.891 --> 01:31:47.891
For clarification where would it

01:31:55.109 --> 01:31:57.109
be reflects in this plan, for

01:31:59.875 --> 01:32:02.344
example, if it is changed from
30,000 to 60,000.

01:32:03.906 --> 01:32:05.281
>> that would not be in the
plan.

01:32:10.156 --> 01:32:12.156
We had a mondate to work clooe

01:32:14.953 --> 01:32:16.953
closely in the -- as well as

01:32:23.859 --> 01:32:25.672
using a subsesipient for
counseling people.

01:32:26.609 --> 01:32:29.562
Is a service needed but we would
not address it specifically in
the plan.

01:32:30.141 --> 01:32:32.969
If we go from 30 to 60, that
would have been in the action
plan.

01:32:33.812 --> 01:32:36.609
If we do that, it would be a
supplement to the act plan
before you.

01:32:37.109 --> 01:32:39.719
again, because there is a line
item and a contract there, that

01:32:41.281 --> 01:32:43.281
could be done.

01:32:43.312 --> 01:32:45.470
But I have not had those
conversations with the deputy

01:32:45.578 --> 01:32:48.516
city manager at this point.
>> I guess I was really trying

01:32:50.953 --> 01:32:52.953
to clarify whether we're

01:32:53.940 --> 01:32:55.940
anticipating reaching half as

01:32:55.188 --> 01:32:57.188
man troubled homeowners or folks

01:32:59.859 --> 01:33:01.859
in need of housing counseling.

01:33:02.500 --> 01:33:04.500
>> this issue was also

01:33:04.578 --> 01:33:06.578
challenged by the adhering to

01:33:06.641 --> 01:33:08.641
the rules in the noncity agency

01:33:09.406 --> 01:33:10.906
funding which affected this
organization.

01:33:12.453 --> 01:33:14.375
We're aware of the challenges to
the organization an aware of the

01:33:24.719 --> 01:33:27.156
need for counseling.
>> other questions by council on

01:33:27.156 --> 01:33:29.156
this item?

01:33:31.828 --> 01:33:33.594
We have before us the proposed
draft plan.

01:33:33.906 --> 01:33:36.469
We heard the public comments and
heard the staff questions.

01:33:37.500 --> 01:33:39.500
i entertain a motion on this

01:33:40.780 --> 01:33:42.578
item to authorize the city
manager -- there are several
motions.

01:33:42.578 --> 01:33:44.578
Is item 15.

01:33:45.844 --> 01:33:48.344
You can see what is being
requested.
>> Mr. Mayor.

01:33:49.780 --> 01:33:51.780
>> recognize Councilman Clement.

01:33:52.922 --> 01:33:54.922
>> first of all, in my opinion,

01:33:56.422 --> 01:33:58.422
this is -- this is to receive

01:34:00.688 --> 01:34:02.688
the comments of the public and

01:34:03.531 --> 01:34:05.531
to thank those who came before

01:34:07.500 --> 01:34:09.500
us to make comments for what

01:34:10.875 --> 01:34:12.875
they proposed in response to

01:34:13.438 --> 01:34:15.906
this particular item.
And we accept those comments as

01:34:16.234 --> 01:34:17.844
par of the record.
Thank you.

01:34:19.438 --> 01:34:21.984
>> been properly moved and
second.
Discussion on the motion?

01:34:25.891 --> 01:34:28.391
Mahoney, Madam Clerk, open the
vote.

01:34:31.281 --> 01:34:33.281
Is it open in close it.

01:34:33.297 --> 01:34:35.297
>> it passes 7-0.

01:34:36.328 --> 01:34:38.328
>> now we have the item before

01:34:41.203 --> 01:34:43.203
us on item 15 and would

01:34:44.375 --> 01:34:46.375
entertain a motion on item 15,

01:34:47.203 --> 01:34:49.406
per the record.
Been properly moved and

01:34:49.406 --> 01:34:51.969
seconded.
Discussion on the motion?

01:34:52.750 --> 01:34:55.219
>> what are we voting
o-Mr. Mayor?

01:34:57.578 --> 01:34:59.156
>> voting on item 15, all the
requested actions.

01:35:01.219 --> 01:35:03.219
>> ok.

01:35:03.625 --> 01:35:05.594
Do you want me to read them for
the record?

01:35:06.719 --> 01:35:08.719
>> that isn't necessary.

01:35:09.797 --> 01:35:11.125
But if that is what you want to
do.

01:35:13.766 --> 01:35:16.234
>> you ok?
Madam Clerk, open the vote.

01:35:16.562 --> 01:35:19.469
Close the vote.
>> passes 7-0.

01:35:20.344 --> 01:35:23.470
>> thank you.
Move to
16. Historic landmark
designation-maynard mangum-

01:35:23.470 --> 01:35:25.470
rice diet house (Ld0900005)

01:35:31.688 --> 01:35:34.688
The planning director, steve
medlin.
>> good evening, Mr. Mayor,

01:35:35.312 --> 01:35:37.312
members of council, I am steve

01:35:37.828 --> 01:35:39.516
medlin with the durham city
planning department.

01:35:41.391 --> 01:35:43.391
i have with me lisa miller and

01:35:43.531 --> 01:35:45.531
sara young, planning supervisor

01:35:46.234 --> 01:35:48.234
for urban design section.

01:35:49.203 --> 01:35:51.938
The six applications for local
historic landmark dis

01:35:52.609 --> 01:35:54.438
designation before you are the
2009 applications that came

01:35:57.172 --> 01:35:59.547
before the council at the
November 2, 2009, meeting.

01:36:00.406 --> 01:36:03.406
Last fall, several members of
council raised concerns about

01:36:04.780 --> 01:36:06.780
the current landmark program.

01:36:07.109 --> 01:36:09.109
At the near meeting the council

01:36:09.516 --> 01:36:11.516
continued all six applications

01:36:13.940 --> 01:36:15.940
until this evening's meeting.

01:36:15.188 --> 01:36:17.188
In the interim, staff has met

01:36:18.310 --> 01:36:20.266
individually with members of the
council, board of county

01:36:22.500 --> 01:36:24.766
commissioners and board of
city-planning committees to

01:36:26.562 --> 01:36:28.938
address the concerns raised in
2009.
Staff received direction from

01:36:30.609 --> 01:36:33.438
the joint city planning
committee and they mead to make

01:36:33.844 --> 01:36:35.203
specific steps to revise the
program.

01:36:36.281 --> 01:36:38.547
This is provided as part of the
supplemental information in the

01:36:38.781 --> 01:36:40.781
agenda package.

01:36:41.156 --> 01:36:43.156
Staff has begun working on

01:36:43.250 --> 01:36:45.484
implementation of the revisions.
The six pending applications

01:36:45.719 --> 01:36:47.719
before you this evening have

01:36:50.188 --> 01:36:52.531
been modified in one regard as a
result of the direction.

01:36:52.688 --> 01:36:54.688
The city planning committee.

01:36:55.828 --> 01:36:58.594
The ordinances have been revised
to take into account direction

01:36:59.562 --> 01:37:01.562
to change our local policy to

01:37:01.703 --> 01:37:04.109
apply tax deferral to the
structure only unless the land

01:37:05.578 --> 01:37:07.812
has historic element to be
preserved and protected.

01:37:08.203 --> 01:37:10.672
Staff will continue to work with
all necessary parties to

01:37:12.875 --> 01:37:14.875
establish the parameters for

01:37:15.470 --> 01:37:17.922
implementation for the remaining
director of the joint

01:37:19.156 --> 01:37:22.620
city-county planning committee.
They do not impact those

01:37:23.620 --> 01:37:26.620
applications or apply
retroactively to all previously

01:37:26.969 --> 01:37:29.297
landmark designations.
Staff does not refer to them

01:37:30.969 --> 01:37:33.734
being needed as a result of this
direction.
Also important to note that no

01:37:34.734 --> 01:37:37.375
new applications have been
received for the year 2010.

01:37:38.969 --> 01:37:40.969
This will allow the staff to

01:37:42.250 --> 01:37:44.250
spend our time this year

01:37:44.672 --> 01:37:47.453
dedicated to the revisions of
the program rather than

01:37:49.470 --> 01:37:50.547
reviewing, processing new
applications.

01:37:51.453 --> 01:37:53.453
At this point I would like to

01:37:54.594 --> 01:37:56.594
turn the podium over to

01:37:57.125 --> 01:37:59.125
Ms. Bingham so she can give you

01:38:02.656 --> 01:38:05.438
an overview of the application.
>> good evening, lisa miller

01:38:08.406 --> 01:38:10.406
with the planning department.

01:38:13.470 --> 01:38:15.703
Case ld 0 nooip 0005 is an
application for the mental

01:38:15.703 --> 01:38:18.516
anguish umrice house.
The structure is not located in

01:38:19.172 --> 01:38:21.641
a local historic district or
individually listed on the

01:38:22.453 --> 01:38:24.453
national register but is located

01:38:25.578 --> 01:38:27.578
in the north durham duke park

01:38:27.625 --> 01:38:30.281
national register historic
district.
it is significant.

01:38:32.828 --> 01:38:34.828
As it represents's two of

01:38:36.891 --> 01:38:39.940
curdur's 20th century
ies.

01:38:40.266 --> 01:38:42.266
Tobacco and dieting.

01:38:42.469 --> 01:38:44.469
A former county commissioner.

01:38:44.766 --> 01:38:46.609
It was the site of the original
house.

01:38:48.844 --> 01:38:51.781
Founder of the nationally rice
diet.
the house is significant about

01:38:52.609 --> 01:38:54.609
the lives of persons significant

01:38:54.953 --> 01:38:56.953
in durham's hospital and the ccs

01:39:02.453 --> 01:39:03.828
to the broad patterns of our
history.

01:39:06.219 --> 01:39:08.625
Staff recommends desitionination
of the only.

01:39:10.297 --> 01:39:12.297
and recommended this designation

01:39:12.328 --> 01:39:14.531
in October 6, 2009.
I am happy into answer questions

01:39:18.344 --> 01:39:20.344
you have on this.

01:39:21.310 --> 01:39:23.310
>> I guess I do have a question.

01:39:24.470 --> 01:39:26.470
Maybe I didn't understand quite

01:39:26.906 --> 01:39:28.547
accurately what the planning
director said.

01:39:29.875 --> 01:39:32.578
Did I hear you say you would
exclude the value of the land?

01:39:33.844 --> 01:39:35.844
Did I understand that?

01:39:36.160 --> 01:39:38.328
>> at the April joint
city-county committee meeting,

01:39:41.219 --> 01:39:43.219
one of the items that we

01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:47.656
received was to begin as a
policy to designate only the

01:39:48.500 --> 01:39:50.500
structure in a landmark

01:39:50.859 --> 01:39:53.375
designation, unless the land was
particularly historically
significant.

01:39:54.234 --> 01:39:57.109
We're asked to look at the
current application since they

01:39:57.969 --> 01:39:59.969
have not yet been designated and

01:40:00.312 --> 01:40:02.484
the ordinances have been
modified to take that into

01:40:07.188 --> 01:40:09.688
account at this time.
>> let me tell you the problem I

01:40:09.891 --> 01:40:11.891
had with this item.

01:40:12.484 --> 01:40:14.328
i don't know if it is clarified
or not.

01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:20.000
I can appreciate looking at how

01:40:22.620 --> 01:40:24.359
we should move forward I have no
issue with that.

01:40:26.203 --> 01:40:29.620
When I say that I'm not speaking
specifically of you that have
been recommended.

01:40:31.141 --> 01:40:33.141
What I did have a problem with

01:40:34.703 --> 01:40:36.703
is that people with persons made

01:40:49.391 --> 01:40:52.391
investment in property
ies.
If they purchased those

01:40:53.594 --> 01:40:55.594
properties and made the relevant

01:40:55.891 --> 01:40:57.625
renovations, the changes,
et cetera.

01:40:58.328 --> 01:41:00.328
I just think it is wrong to

01:41:01.844 --> 01:41:03.844
change the rules in the middle

01:41:05.500 --> 01:41:07.500
of this thing.

01:41:08.438 --> 01:41:10.438
When purchase r -- when persons

01:41:10.812 --> 01:41:13.470
have made investments according
to the government guidelines.

01:41:15.780 --> 01:41:17.844
i'm trying to understand what I
just said, that that view, what

01:41:18.940 --> 01:41:20.940
will be the difference in each

01:41:20.125 --> 01:41:22.562
one of the items that is coming
before us relative to what

01:41:22.859 --> 01:41:25.940
persons May have thought they
would have been gaining as a

01:41:25.940 --> 01:41:27.940
result?

01:41:29.891 --> 01:41:31.891
When I say gaining, would have

01:41:32.125 --> 01:41:34.125
had persons, what you're

01:41:35.310 --> 01:41:36.875
recommending now as I understand
it.

01:41:37.203 --> 01:41:40.172
Since we have -- this is a
public hearing, we will have to

01:41:40.844 --> 01:41:42.344
take each one of the items
individually.

01:41:43.344 --> 01:41:45.375
I want to deal with item 16,
which is what we are looking at

01:41:55.160 --> 01:41:56.953
now.
I'm talking about dollars.

01:42:06.406 --> 01:42:08.406
I want to understand that.

01:42:09.734 --> 01:42:11.734
It is only the structure is

01:42:12.780 --> 01:42:14.780
designated is $2,736 based on

01:42:14.578 --> 01:42:17.547
the current value of the
property if the structure and

01:42:18.438 --> 01:42:20.438
the land were designated it

01:42:31.594 --> 01:42:33.719
would be $3,155 your
recommendation is 2736 is that

01:42:33.719 --> 01:42:35.719
what you are saying?

01:42:36.656 --> 01:42:38.797
>> that is correct.
>> I still have an issue with

01:42:38.797 --> 01:42:40.797
that.

01:42:40.828 --> 01:42:42.828
I have one vote.

01:42:43.875 --> 01:42:46.266
So I am open for further
discussion.
It is a public hearing.

01:42:47.234 --> 01:42:49.109
I would like to hear comments
public would have.

01:42:49.969 --> 01:42:52.781
If anyone in the public wants to
speak on this item if not, let

01:42:53.406 --> 01:42:55.484
the record reflect that no one
in the public asked to speak on

01:42:55.484 --> 01:42:57.984
this item.
i will declare the public

01:42:58.219 --> 01:43:00.219
hearing closed, matter back

01:43:04.125 --> 01:43:06.453
before the council.
>> as pertains to this

01:43:06.453 --> 01:43:09.310
particular property.
It is properly moved.

01:43:11.940 --> 01:43:13.940
Is there a second in properly

01:43:14.438 --> 01:43:16.438
moved and second?

01:43:16.703 --> 01:43:18.703
If there is not a second.

01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:21.812
>> I have a question concerning
my colleague who made the
motion.

01:43:21.906 --> 01:43:23.906
Are you talking about the one

01:43:24.375 --> 01:43:26.375
that was presented by Ms. Miller

01:43:30.160 --> 01:43:32.160
when we take out the value of

01:43:36.160 --> 01:43:38.160
the land and increase just the

01:43:38.156 --> 01:43:40.156
property?

01:43:53.310 --> 01:43:55.500
I will second that.
>> I personally would prefer

01:43:56.406 --> 01:43:58.406
that we defer all of these until

01:43:59.312 --> 01:44:01.641
sometime in December to allow
further discussion of the staff

01:44:02.780 --> 01:44:04.780
recommendations.

01:44:10.984 --> 01:44:13.156
It would have no.
>> I understand you are not

01:44:13.156 --> 01:44:15.156
interested in doing that.

01:44:15.188 --> 01:44:17.188
I want to make a few comments.

01:44:18.188 --> 01:44:20.594
The structure only is much -- 
sorry, it is consistent with

01:44:21.859 --> 01:44:24.734
most of the programs in this
state and across the country,

01:44:25.938 --> 01:44:28.672
durham has, based on staff
research, the most generous or

01:44:29.734 --> 01:44:31.734
one of the most generous

01:44:32.641 --> 01:44:35.160
programs in the country.
Both because we do structure and

01:44:35.160 --> 01:44:37.160
land.

01:44:37.641 --> 01:44:40.188
We have no requirement for
maintenance.
So mayor, your comment about

01:44:41.859 --> 01:44:44.547
property owners having made the
investment, some have, some
haven't.

01:44:46.484 --> 01:44:48.484
So there is no requirement

01:44:50.125 --> 01:44:52.891
that -- or no obligation in the
applications that they have made
any investment.

01:44:55.125 --> 01:44:57.531
They just applied and based on
further conversations with

01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:00.000
staff, they, property owners

01:45:14.344 --> 01:45:16.344
when they apply are always told

01:45:16.453 --> 01:45:19.250
with all practicals, they should
go in mindful of that.

01:45:20.484 --> 01:45:22.484
If they proceed now, when will

01:45:22.766 --> 01:45:25.156
we as the body review the
recommendation of staff

01:45:25.422 --> 01:45:27.422
regarding how we choose to amend

01:45:29.125 --> 01:45:31.125
the program or not?

01:45:32.172 --> 01:45:34.310
And or deal with it for next
year.

01:45:38.310 --> 01:45:40.310
Any thoughts?

01:45:40.470 --> 01:45:42.470
Good evening sara young,

01:45:42.203 --> 01:45:44.203
planning department, we have

01:45:44.875 --> 01:45:47.141
begun work on what came out of
the joint city county planning

01:45:47.141 --> 01:45:49.141
committee and we anticipate

01:45:49.484 --> 01:45:51.781
coming back in the fall with a
proposed plan for how to get

01:45:52.156 --> 01:45:54.156
some of the things in motion.

01:45:54.453 --> 01:45:56.750
That includes a special
legislation potentially for a

01:45:57.422 --> 01:45:59.891
little more time intensive to
kind of get the background ready

01:45:59.891 --> 01:46:02.203
for that.
We do anticipate coming back in

01:46:07.297 --> 01:46:09.297
the fall.

01:46:10.406 --> 01:46:13.344
>> yeah, I have a question too,
recognize Councilman Ali.

01:46:13.375 --> 01:46:15.160
>> I understand what you are
saying on this.

01:46:15.938 --> 01:46:17.938
I want to make sure, whatever

01:46:19.344 --> 01:46:21.312
rules we apply to any of these
properties that we're across the

01:46:23.160 --> 01:46:25.188
board that we do this.
I don't know what city county

01:46:26.125 --> 01:46:28.125
planning department did, I'm of

01:46:28.156 --> 01:46:30.422
the opinion no matter what the
appearance is of any interest,

01:46:30.422 --> 01:46:32.422
because I don't have an interest

01:46:37.000 --> 01:46:38.766
in the proper tees, I will be
advocate for being fair.

01:46:40.266 --> 01:46:42.438
If there is no tax deferral, it
shouldn't be for any property.

01:46:46.344 --> 01:46:48.734
it needs to be consistent.
Inconsistency is not measured.

01:46:49.470 --> 01:46:51.312
I know we deferred this a couple
of times.

01:46:53.609 --> 01:46:56.578
I want us to be very clear in
where my advocacy would go, this

01:46:57.875 --> 01:46:59.984
is an equal issue when you
change the game, whatever the

01:47:00.922 --> 01:47:02.922
property rights or the property

01:47:03.750 --> 01:47:05.922
owners and then apply different
standard.

01:47:07.656 --> 01:47:09.594
They call that discrimination in
work I do.

01:47:10.266 --> 01:47:12.266
I want to make sure there is

01:47:16.828 --> 01:47:18.531
parity in the way we do this
work.

01:47:19.875 --> 01:47:21.875
I want to make sure I understood

01:47:21.938 --> 01:47:23.938
what the planning is.

01:47:24.375 --> 01:47:27.141
i understand it is discretionary
as to whether or not the council

01:47:28.719 --> 01:47:30.953
chooses to classify your
property.

01:47:31.844 --> 01:47:34.109
Is it a stretch as to whether it
is the land or the house.

01:47:35.688 --> 01:47:38.250
Is that what we tell people?
>> that has not specifically

01:47:39.391 --> 01:47:42.940
been discussed in the past
because it has not been on the

01:47:44.620 --> 01:47:45.438
table as something that has been
done.

01:47:46.766 --> 01:47:48.766
>> that is the point I'm making.

01:47:49.672 --> 01:47:52.266
There are ground rules in my
opinion that were rather clear

01:47:54.141 --> 01:47:57.000
that people entered into.
And if we change the ground

01:47:57.172 --> 01:47:59.172
rules, you don't change them in

01:47:59.812 --> 01:48:01.906
the middle of the stream, if you
think about it, that is one

01:48:01.906 --> 01:48:04.422
issue.
I wholeheartedly support

01:48:05.470 --> 01:48:07.484
relooking at the plan.
but for persons who already made

01:48:08.470 --> 01:48:10.470
the investment, that is a change

01:48:10.125 --> 01:48:11.656
in the game, I have an issue
with that.

01:48:12.453 --> 01:48:14.453
But again it is just one vote.

01:48:15.562 --> 01:48:17.562
I will recognize -- are you

01:48:19.938 --> 01:48:22.500
still on Councilwoman Catotti.
>> to be quite honest, that is

01:48:23.620 --> 01:48:26.620
sort of my recommendation.
I thought we should wait until

01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:29.000
december so we would have a full

01:48:30.734 --> 01:48:33.172
discussion of all the possible
suggestions and comparisons to

01:48:34.780 --> 01:48:35.984
other programs around the state
and the country.

01:48:36.875 --> 01:48:38.953
And the staff has spent a
tremendous amount of work trying

01:48:39.688 --> 01:48:41.470
to get a handle on what we are
doing.

01:48:41.812 --> 01:48:44.391
My thought would be we wouldn't
add any new properties until we

01:49:02.297 --> 01:49:04.000
have figured out what is an
appropriate.

01:49:06.703 --> 01:49:09.703
That is my rationale to have a
further discussion.
>> I appreciate that.

01:49:10.672 --> 01:49:12.719
Again, these properties made the
request prior to us making the

01:49:13.188 --> 01:49:15.375
decision that we want to relook
at the whole piece.

01:49:16.953 --> 01:49:18.359
That is what I am having some
problems.

01:49:20.625 --> 01:49:23.310
Let me recognize Councilman
Clement.

01:49:23.422 --> 01:49:25.656
Mayor pro tem.
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor.

01:49:28.672 --> 01:49:30.672
i appreciate your looking down

01:49:31.859 --> 01:49:33.859
this way.

01:49:34.172 --> 01:49:36.172
I normally get overlooked most

01:49:36.344 --> 01:49:38.344
of the time.

01:49:41.672 --> 01:49:43.672
But as usual I agree with my man

01:49:51.470 --> 01:49:53.470
on this case.

01:49:54.160 --> 01:49:56.160
I'm inclined to support what our

01:49:56.620 --> 01:49:57.453
colleague diane catotti
suggests.

01:50:07.828 --> 01:50:10.620
There is no time constraint for
passage of the landmark items.

01:50:10.469 --> 01:50:13.344
I think we should wait until the
end of the calendar year to make

01:50:13.781 --> 01:50:16.312
a final determination as to what
our posture should be with

01:50:20.781 --> 01:50:22.781
respect to the proposals.

01:50:25.219 --> 01:50:27.219
In the meantime, I want to thank

01:50:28.156 --> 01:50:30.160
planning department for at least
sounding us out.

01:50:31.297 --> 01:50:33.297
these things came to my office

01:50:33.766 --> 01:50:35.766
to ask the team what my posture

01:50:36.297 --> 01:50:38.297
would be with respect to

01:50:39.125 --> 01:50:40.625
handling historic landmark
designations.

01:50:42.109 --> 01:50:44.109
And how we should proceed.

01:50:44.703 --> 01:50:46.703
I'm grateful that y'all came to

01:50:57.750 --> 01:50:59.750
see me about this.

01:51:00.312 --> 01:51:02.891
I do think with respect to how
we rule on it should be governed

01:51:02.891 --> 01:51:04.891
by fairness.

01:51:05.797 --> 01:51:07.797
And to change the rules in the

01:51:08.859 --> 01:51:10.297
middle of the game as is the
perception.

01:51:12.438 --> 01:51:14.531
as is the perception, in this
instance, I don't think it is

01:51:22.781 --> 01:51:25.672
the correct way to go.
Mr. Mayor, if I'm in order, I

01:51:27.219 --> 01:51:28.578
would like to make a substitute
motion.

01:51:29.250 --> 01:51:31.453
>> Mr. Clement, we have someone
else to speak.

01:51:33.484 --> 01:51:35.484
is everyone else clear.

01:51:36.328 --> 01:51:38.328
Let's let the council persons -- 

01:51:38.922 --> 01:51:40.328
>> Mr. Mayor, I follow your
dictate.

01:51:41.422 --> 01:51:43.422
>> ok Councilman Clement.

01:51:44.156 --> 01:51:46.156
>> Councilman Brown.

01:51:47.406 --> 01:51:48.859
>> I understand diane's
suggestion.

01:51:50.620 --> 01:51:52.620
And in many ways I would go

01:51:52.938 --> 01:51:54.938
along with that, but it appears

01:51:56.641 --> 01:51:58.516
to me that if we move it until
December, the issue will be the

01:51:59.484 --> 01:52:01.484
same.

01:52:02.906 --> 01:52:04.906
Do we so-called change the rules

01:52:05.516 --> 01:52:07.516
in the middle of the stream.

01:52:08.219 --> 01:52:10.219
What we have learned from staff

01:52:22.234 --> 01:52:24.828
is that the stream is drying up.
Revenues are shortfalls, and I

01:52:25.620 --> 01:52:27.620
suggest if we move ahead

01:52:27.780 --> 01:52:29.780
tonight, which I think you want

01:52:30.812 --> 01:52:32.812
to do Mr. Mayor, most of those

01:52:33.780 --> 01:52:35.344
in the audience or watching at
home would go along with the

01:52:40.156 --> 01:52:42.156
fact that at least we support

01:52:43.391 --> 01:52:46.219
them in this tax deduction and
this would be a rather small
issue.

01:52:46.719 --> 01:52:48.719
I would suggest to this council

01:52:49.188 --> 01:52:51.969
that this May be the last time
we have this many applicants and

01:52:53.828 --> 01:52:55.234
that our terms are this
generous.

01:52:57.969 --> 01:52:59.969
and the difference, if you ever

01:53:00.906 --> 01:53:02.906
look at your tax deal between

01:53:05.375 --> 01:53:07.375
the improvement, which is the

01:53:08.470 --> 01:53:10.470
house, versus the land, usually

01:53:11.160 --> 01:53:13.160
80% of the value is in the

01:53:13.156 --> 01:53:15.156
house, not the land.

01:53:15.188 --> 01:53:17.188
I don't think we're talking

01:53:32.734 --> 01:53:34.734
about that much.

01:53:35.203 --> 01:53:37.203
We have probably the most

01:53:37.734 --> 01:53:40.469
generous policy if not in the
county, then in the state.

01:53:41.750 --> 01:53:43.750
I say that as someone who has a

01:53:44.160 --> 01:53:46.160
historic property who has

01:53:46.875 --> 01:53:48.875
received the benefit of.

01:53:54.359 --> 01:53:56.359
So... I think the staff is

01:53:58.266 --> 01:54:01.000
propose will separate out the
two of the land versus

01:54:01.000 --> 01:54:02.859
improvement, seems very
reasonable to me.

01:54:09.672 --> 01:54:12.609
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
>> recognize Councilman Clement.

01:54:13.281 --> 01:54:15.438
>> if I don't have four votes
for this, I won't make the

01:54:16.938 --> 01:54:18.938
motion.

01:54:19.844 --> 01:54:21.844
[Chuckling].
>> I'm serious.

01:54:23.781 --> 01:54:25.781
I think there is substantial

01:54:28.984 --> 01:54:30.984
merit in what our colleague

01:54:33.734 --> 01:54:35.734
diane catotti suggested, that we

01:54:35.859 --> 01:54:37.859
withhold action on these matters

01:55:04.188 --> 01:55:06.188
until December 2010.

01:55:06.500 --> 01:55:08.500
>> you going to second it?

01:55:18.172 --> 01:55:21.780
[Laughter] That is all right.
That is one of the reluctant.

01:55:22.844 --> 01:55:25.812
>> I would have sectioned it
howard, but in joint city-county

01:55:27.484 --> 01:55:29.484
planning I expressed some

01:55:30.719 --> 01:55:32.719
concerns about changing other

01:55:33.940 --> 01:55:35.828
rules in the middle of this.
I think that we should accept

01:55:37.859 --> 01:55:40.656
them as they are and in the
future make whatever changes we

01:55:50.875 --> 01:55:53.406
want to, to this policy.
>> still dealing with item 16.

01:55:54.172 --> 01:55:56.391
I would like to entertain a
motion on this item.

01:55:56.516 --> 01:55:58.172
>> I move that -- 
>> go on.

01:56:02.470 --> 01:56:04.470
>> howard said he didn't want -- 
[Inaudible].
>> wait a minute.

01:56:04.516 --> 01:56:07.160
What did you say, Mr. Mayor.
>> you said that is all right.

01:56:10.453 --> 01:56:13.156
Like it was reluctant.
She reluctantly.

01:56:14.328 --> 01:56:17.234
>> did you accept her second?
>> yeah.
>> in that case, we have a

01:56:17.469 --> 01:56:18.828
motion and a second on the
floor.

01:56:19.594 --> 01:56:21.859
I was listening to the mayor pro
tem.

01:56:22.620 --> 01:56:24.620
Do you have a substitute motion

01:56:24.141 --> 01:56:27.109
or go with the motions on the
floor?
>> I would like to make a

01:56:29.141 --> 01:56:31.344
substitute motion, Mr. Mayor.
A substitute.

01:56:31.750 --> 01:56:34.438
>> you can make a substitute to
the original motion.

01:56:38.219 --> 01:56:40.719
Substitute will be heard first.
>> so are you making a

01:56:40.719 --> 01:56:42.312
substitute motion?
>> yes.

01:56:42.922 --> 01:56:44.281
>> can you state the motion,
please.

01:56:53.531 --> 01:56:55.531
>> I move that we approve this

01:56:55.828 --> 01:56:58.500
item under the regulations that
were present when they applied
for this.

01:56:59.609 --> 01:57:01.609
>> that is the motion, is there

01:57:05.780 --> 01:57:07.641
a second to that motion?
Hearing none, I will say the

01:57:11.312 --> 01:57:12.719
motion dies for lack of a
second.

01:57:14.656 --> 01:57:16.656
>> I have to say something.

01:57:22.125 --> 01:57:24.125
>> [Inaudible].

01:57:27.125 --> 01:57:28.531
>> I will second the policy
issues.

01:57:29.297 --> 01:57:31.531
>> let the attorney rule on this
matter.
>> Mr. Mayor, if I could ask the

01:57:31.531 --> 01:57:33.531
clerk.

01:57:34.000 --> 01:57:36.000
I thought there was an original

01:57:38.375 --> 01:57:39.844
motion to pass the items as
presented.

01:57:42.160 --> 01:57:44.160
>> so there is a substitute that
Mr. Clement brought then that is

01:57:45.219 --> 01:57:46.578
the item that needs to be heard
first.

01:57:47.484 --> 01:57:49.750
And we don't need a substitute
to the substitute.

01:57:50.656 --> 01:57:52.859
Let's go with the substitute.
>> so we have howard's motion on

01:57:52.859 --> 01:57:55.766
the floor.
And it has been seconded to

01:57:56.125 --> 01:57:58.125
postpone it to the 18th.

01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:01.000
Any questions on that motion?

01:58:07.375 --> 01:58:09.969
hearing none, Madam Clerk, open
the vote.

01:58:12.312 --> 01:58:14.312
Close the vote.

01:58:16.641 --> 01:58:19.547
>> it fails 3-4 with council
member ali voting no.

01:58:21.781 --> 01:58:23.781
Mayor bell voting no, mayor pro

01:58:27.453 --> 01:58:30.359
tem cole-Mcfadden voting no and
Councilman Woodard voting no.

01:58:32.125 --> 01:58:34.125
>> back to the original motion.

01:58:34.531 --> 01:58:37.940
>> I think I made the original
motion, the clerk can correct

01:58:37.234 --> 01:58:39.828
me.
My original motion was the

01:58:39.828 --> 01:58:42.109
recommendation of staff, which
was structure only.

01:58:43.875 --> 01:58:45.312
i hear a sentiment for structure
and land.

01:58:46.969 --> 01:58:48.969
I think there is a substitute

01:58:49.780 --> 01:58:51.781
motion in the works.
That is my motion and Councilman

01:58:52.219 --> 01:58:54.470
Brown seconded.
Everybody clear?

01:58:56.312 --> 01:58:58.594
>> Madam Clerk, open the vote -- 
wait a minute.

01:58:59.160 --> 01:59:01.750
>> I got it.
I'm sorry.
I get confused.

01:59:03.891 --> 01:59:06.391
I have the howard syndrome.
>> what was that?

01:59:06.891 --> 01:59:08.891
>> the motion has been made.

01:59:12.641 --> 01:59:15.406
I asked the clerk to open the
vote.

01:59:22.672 --> 01:59:25.609
Close the vote.
Have we have little voices.

01:59:26.375 --> 01:59:28.375
>> someone is not...

01:59:30.250 --> 01:59:32.250
>> reset it again, please.

01:59:34.156 --> 01:59:36.859
>> and open the vote.
Those that are in support of it

01:59:36.859 --> 01:59:39.828
would vote plus.
Those that are opposed to it

01:59:40.656 --> 01:59:43.531
vote minus.
Open the vote.
Is it open?

01:59:44.438 --> 01:59:46.438
It is open.

01:59:50.641 --> 01:59:52.641
close the vote.

01:59:53.470 --> 01:59:55.160
>> it fails.
>> fails.

01:59:56.470 --> 01:59:58.470
>> Councilman Ali voting no,

02:00:01.984 --> 02:00:03.984
mayor bell voting no.

02:00:04.422 --> 02:00:06.422
Council member clement and mayor

02:00:07.470 --> 02:00:08.922
pro tem cole-Mcfadden voting no.
>> Mr. Mayor.

02:00:09.891 --> 02:00:11.891
>> Councilman Woodard.

02:00:13.500 --> 02:00:15.859
>> I make a motion that we adopt
the ordinance for the property

02:00:17.940 --> 02:00:19.940
to include structure and land.

02:00:20.310 --> 02:00:22.310
>> second to that motion?

02:00:23.797 --> 02:00:26.672
Second to that motion?
Question on the motion?

02:00:30.203 --> 02:00:32.281
if not, Madam Clerk, open the
vote.

02:00:33.160 --> 02:00:35.160
Let me understand this.

02:00:36.160 --> 02:00:37.422
Is the council telling you to
abstain.

02:00:39.719 --> 02:00:41.188
>> yes, he needs to make a
disclosure.

02:00:41.828 --> 02:00:44.391
There is a difference in
disclosure and abstaining.

02:00:46.940 --> 02:00:47.453
Can he make a vote for it or
not.

02:00:48.234 --> 02:00:49.656
>> after he makes the
disclosure.

02:00:54.797 --> 02:00:56.797
>> will you make a disclosure.

02:00:59.406 --> 02:01:02.109
[Inaudible]
[Inaudible].
>> so I'm making the disclosure

02:01:03.969 --> 02:01:06.609
that I was in the chain of title
on this particular property on

02:01:08.250 --> 02:01:10.844
number 16 but I no longer have
any economic interest and as a

02:01:12.160 --> 02:01:14.160
result, I believe that it May be

02:01:14.422 --> 02:01:17.160
perceived that I have a conflict
of interest on this property but

02:01:19.940 --> 02:01:21.859
I do not after a ruling from the
city attorney.

02:01:24.656 --> 02:01:26.656
So for perception issues I'm

02:01:26.859 --> 02:01:29.172
abstaining from the vote for the
economic appearance issues.

02:01:30.438 --> 02:01:32.438
>> it is the disclosure that

02:01:32.469 --> 02:01:34.969
Mr. Ali was in the chain of
title.
It is my understanding there is

02:01:36.312 --> 02:01:38.844
no longer an economic interest.
It is a question as to whether

02:01:39.984 --> 02:01:41.406
family members have an economic
interest.

02:01:42.160 --> 02:01:44.156
It is unclear based on your code
of ethics whether or not there

02:01:44.156 --> 02:01:46.156
are family members that are

02:01:46.219 --> 02:01:48.219
still in the chain of title that

02:01:49.719 --> 02:01:51.719
he is formerly related to such

02:01:52.625 --> 02:01:55.266
that I believe abstention for
this vote is proper for

02:01:55.297 --> 02:01:57.297
Councilman Ali.

02:01:59.828 --> 02:02:01.562
>> thank you.
Madam Clerk, open the vote.

02:02:03.797 --> 02:02:05.797
The vote is open, are people

02:02:09.609 --> 02:02:11.609
going to vote?

02:02:20.750 --> 02:02:22.750
close the vote.

02:02:23.250 --> 02:02:25.250
>> it passes 4-2.

02:02:28.359 --> 02:02:30.359
Are you voting Ms. Mcfadden.

02:02:31.422 --> 02:02:33.422
>> it passes 4-2.

02:02:36.562 --> 02:02:39.375
>> historic landmark
designation.
Designation-clark and sorrell
building (Ld0900002)

02:02:42.609 --> 02:02:44.609
Again, this is a public hearing.

02:02:45.609 --> 02:02:47.609
>> this is for the clark and

02:02:48.406 --> 02:02:51.219
sorrel building at 323 foster
street.
It is not located in the

02:02:51.219 --> 02:02:53.516
national register of the
historic district.

02:02:53.781 --> 02:02:56.453
It is listed on the national
register of historic places.

02:02:57.984 --> 02:02:59.984
This is significant.

02:03:00.625 --> 02:03:02.625
It was -- when it closed in 1999

02:03:03.719 --> 02:03:06.188
it was the oldest auto repair
garage in operation of durham

02:03:07.620 --> 02:03:09.594
where a cluster of businesses
once existed.

02:03:11.297 --> 02:03:13.297
Structure is well executed and

02:03:16.844 --> 02:03:19.203
example of 20th century auto
repair garage.

02:03:21.375 --> 02:03:24.219
It embodies the characteristis
of the type now rare.

02:03:24.609 --> 02:03:26.609
The staff recommends designation

02:03:28.160 --> 02:03:30.844
of the structure only hundred
historic preservation

02:03:31.781 --> 02:03:33.891
recommended approval unanimously
on September 1, 2009.

02:03:34.562 --> 02:03:36.562
>> let me make clear, is this

02:03:36.594 --> 02:03:38.719
for structure and land?
>> staff recommendation on this

02:03:39.000 --> 02:03:41.891
is structure only.
>> structure only.
>> ok.

02:03:42.625 --> 02:03:45.594
Public hearing, the public
hearing is open.
Do we have discussions or

02:03:50.406 --> 02:03:52.969
questions by members of the
council?
>> let me ask, is there anyone

02:03:53.812 --> 02:03:55.547
in the public that wants to
discuss this item?

02:03:57.780 --> 02:03:59.780
If you can come up to the

02:03:59.688 --> 02:04:01.688
microphone, state your name and

02:04:06.160 --> 02:04:08.160
address, please.

02:04:08.359 --> 02:04:10.359
>> >> the manager asked the

02:04:11.125 --> 02:04:13.266
question of me di want to know
the financial difference.

02:04:16.859 --> 02:04:19.125
i told him not then, but I do
now, for the public.

02:04:19.234 --> 02:04:21.234
Give us the difference here.

02:04:21.438 --> 02:04:24.310
>> the structure only is
designated the benefit to the

02:04:25.266 --> 02:04:27.266
property owner and tax deferral

02:04:29.141 --> 02:04:31.141
would be $11,860.

02:04:31.609 --> 02:04:33.609
For based on the current value.

02:04:34.547 --> 02:04:36.547
If the structure and land were

02:04:38.516 --> 02:04:41.188
designated it would be $14,099.
>> in the future, can you just

02:04:42.891 --> 02:04:44.719
give us that information
up-front.
>> ok.

02:04:45.828 --> 02:04:47.219
State your name and address
please.

02:04:50.766 --> 02:04:52.766
>> my name is joan pepper.

02:04:54.969 --> 02:04:56.969
My address is 3104 sparta road.

02:04:57.141 --> 02:04:59.141
my comment here is not just in

02:04:59.703 --> 02:05:02.578
reference to this property but
also in reference to what I

02:05:04.938 --> 02:05:06.938
witnessed tonight, from the

02:05:08.188 --> 02:05:10.188
board, from the council.

02:05:11.188 --> 02:05:13.188
The passion with which people

02:05:15.484 --> 02:05:17.484
speak, members of this council

02:05:22.328 --> 02:05:24.328
on items that are relatively

02:05:25.766 --> 02:05:27.766
trivial and the lack of passion

02:05:31.672 --> 02:05:34.438
and comment on items which are
vital.
I'm not a political person.

02:05:36.203 --> 02:05:39.780
I do not regularly attend
political meetings.

02:05:42.281 --> 02:05:44.156
I'm not an active member of any
political organization.

02:05:45.344 --> 02:05:47.344
But I'm ashamed tonight.

02:05:47.984 --> 02:05:49.984
I'm ashamed of the process that

02:05:51.359 --> 02:05:53.359
I have witnessed tonight.

02:05:54.000 --> 02:05:56.000
And I feel I must speak to this.

02:05:57.703 --> 02:05:59.703
i must speak to each of you.

02:06:00.297 --> 02:06:02.297
Because we have heard

02:06:03.141 --> 02:06:05.141
discussions tonight on people's

02:06:06.766 --> 02:06:08.766
lives and services to people

02:06:10.906 --> 02:06:13.516
that we chose to contact with or
choose not to come into contact

02:06:13.984 --> 02:06:15.984
with everyday.

02:06:17.141 --> 02:06:19.141
But you get passion and effort

02:06:20.219 --> 02:06:23.188
and energy to whether or not a
property or property and land

02:06:24.484 --> 02:06:26.484
should be designated.

02:06:27.922 --> 02:06:29.922
I want to designate every person

02:06:30.891 --> 02:06:32.891
in durham as valuable.

02:06:32.938 --> 02:06:35.672
Whether they own a property or
do not own a property.

02:06:36.875 --> 02:06:38.875
Whether they have a place to

02:06:39.375 --> 02:06:41.375
sleep or no place to sleep.

02:06:46.484 --> 02:06:48.172
And what I have seen tonight
embarrasses me.

02:06:48.906 --> 02:06:50.906
It embarrasses me for durham, a

02:06:51.188 --> 02:06:53.188
city that I have moved to, have

02:06:57.719 --> 02:06:59.719
grown to love, advocate for.

02:07:00.484 --> 02:07:02.562
and I cannot leave this meeting
without saying that.

02:07:05.391 --> 02:07:07.391
And I am very sad, very sad by

02:07:19.406 --> 02:07:20.781
what I have seen and heard
tonight.

02:07:22.516 --> 02:07:24.844
Your choices impact people who
can't afford but will afford the

02:07:25.812 --> 02:07:28.422
services that you denied folks
and the effort with what you

02:07:30.160 --> 02:07:32.160
now, you know, speak with

02:07:33.328 --> 02:07:35.328
passion about something that is

02:07:35.422 --> 02:07:37.359
as trivial as a historic
landmark documentation.

02:07:41.620 --> 02:07:43.297
as opposed to people's lives.
I'm embarrassed.

02:07:44.766 --> 02:07:46.766
I'm ashamed to be from durham
tonight.

02:07:47.734 --> 02:07:49.734
That is all I'm going to say.

02:07:50.406 --> 02:07:53.406
I ask God to watch out over
durham [Beep].
>> you're welcome.

02:07:54.250 --> 02:07:56.438
Thank you.
Is there any other public

02:07:57.688 --> 02:07:59.688
comment on this item?

02:08:00.160 --> 02:08:02.812
If not, let the record reflect
no one else asked to speak.

02:08:03.594 --> 02:08:05.594
I will determine the public

02:08:05.859 --> 02:08:08.297
hearing closed and matter back
before the council.

02:08:09.719 --> 02:08:11.719
>> Mr. Mayor, I will move item

02:08:11.859 --> 02:08:13.234
17 to include structure and
land.

02:08:14.625 --> 02:08:17.625
>> spoend properly moved and
seconded.

02:08:17.625 --> 02:08:20.531
Question?
Hearing none, Madam Clerk, open

02:08:20.766 --> 02:08:22.297
the vote.
close the vote.

02:08:23.734 --> 02:08:25.734
>> it passes.

02:08:26.160 --> 02:08:28.406
>> now move to
8. Historic landmark
designation-W.W. Card house

02:08:28.406 --> 02:08:30.406
(Ld0900003)

02:08:34.250 --> 02:08:36.250
>> it is the landmark

02:08:37.156 --> 02:08:39.516
designation for the property at
1110 minerva heavy.

02:08:40.160 --> 02:08:42.562
It is not individually listed on
the national register but

02:08:43.594 --> 02:08:45.594
located in the trinity national

02:08:45.922 --> 02:08:47.922
register historic district.

02:08:49.594 --> 02:08:51.594
The director of athletic college

02:08:51.672 --> 02:08:54.172
KNOWNs the father of involved
for bringing the sport to north

02:08:54.172 --> 02:08:56.172
carolina.

02:08:56.203 --> 02:08:58.203
This is his longstanding

02:08:58.906 --> 02:09:01.172
residence and significant by
contributions to provide

02:09:01.516 --> 02:09:03.516
patterns for our history.

02:09:03.578 --> 02:09:05.984
this report and application were
reviewed by the state

02:09:05.984 --> 02:09:07.984
preservation office.

02:09:08.780 --> 02:09:10.780
Staff recommends designation of

02:09:11.281 --> 02:09:13.516
the office only and historic
preservation recommended

02:09:15.625 --> 02:09:17.625
approval unanimously at

02:09:19.266 --> 02:09:21.391
October 6, 2009, meeting.
The benefits to the property

02:09:22.359 --> 02:09:24.359
owner in terms of tax deferral

02:09:27.766 --> 02:09:29.141
for the structure only would be
$3,687.

02:09:30.297 --> 02:09:32.297
If the land and structure were

02:09:37.781 --> 02:09:39.312
designated it would be four
$4,244.

02:09:41.688 --> 02:09:43.688
>> questions by members of the

02:09:43.953 --> 02:09:46.656
staff.
recognize Councilman Brown.

02:09:47.859 --> 02:09:49.859
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor.

02:09:55.359 --> 02:09:57.359
I know the house.

02:09:57.625 --> 02:10:00.172
I was a listing agent many years
ago when it was sold.

02:10:00.938 --> 02:10:02.328
I do not know the current
owners.

02:10:04.297 --> 02:10:06.297
I know we had it on the trinity

02:10:08.812 --> 02:10:10.812
park tour that it was probably

02:10:10.984 --> 02:10:13.641
one of the best renovations I
had seen in a very long time.

02:10:14.578 --> 02:10:17.375
They actually took it back to
the original period of 1910 when

02:10:17.781 --> 02:10:19.719
the house was built, which is
very rare.

02:10:25.484 --> 02:10:26.891
so I would support this being
approved.

02:10:32.594 --> 02:10:34.438
>> Mcfadden would you open the
vote.

02:10:35.203 --> 02:10:36.641
 -- Madam Clerk would you open
the vote.

02:10:37.672 --> 02:10:39.672
>> >> we don't have a motion.

02:10:41.703 --> 02:10:43.750
>> I thought the mayor pro tem
seconded.
>> do it again for the record,

02:10:43.750 --> 02:10:46.281
mike.
>> I will make the motion that

02:10:47.406 --> 02:10:49.875
we approve the ordinance to
include structure and land.

02:10:49.875 --> 02:10:51.453
>> second.
>> recognize -- 

02:10:52.516 --> 02:10:55.940
>> I want to remind the council,
this is a public hearing item.

02:10:55.625 --> 02:10:58.620
I believe you do need to open
the public hearing.

02:10:58.516 --> 02:11:00.516
>> I had opened it.

02:11:01.594 --> 02:11:04.125
>> he opened and closed it.
>> yeah.

02:11:06.531 --> 02:11:07.938
>> >> the public hearing is
closed.

02:11:09.328 --> 02:11:12.234
And you have got the motion and
a second.

02:11:12.906 --> 02:11:14.906
Open the vote.

02:11:16.781 --> 02:11:18.781
Close the vote.

02:11:24.281 --> 02:11:26.281
>> it passes 6-1 with council

02:11:26.422 --> 02:11:28.422
member catotti voting no.

02:11:28.625 --> 02:11:31.484
>> next to the next.
19. Historic landmark
designation-liberty warehouse
(Ld0900001)

02:11:34.625 --> 02:11:36.625
>> it is the warehouse number

02:11:40.531 --> 02:11:42.266
one and two on 611 and 13 on
rigsbee avenue.

02:11:42.859 --> 02:11:45.438
It is individually listod the
national register.

02:11:47.780 --> 02:11:49.780
It is the only surviving tobacco

02:11:49.266 --> 02:11:51.578
house in an area where
structures once stood.

02:11:51.969 --> 02:11:54.160
It is significant for a broad
pattern of the history.

02:11:56.547 --> 02:11:58.719
The application and report were
reviewed.

02:11:59.984 --> 02:12:01.984
The staff recommends designation

02:12:02.891 --> 02:12:04.891
of the structure only.

02:12:07.359 --> 02:12:10.266
Approval was recommended
unanimously.
Public hearing is open.

02:12:11.625 --> 02:12:13.656
>> give the numbers.
>> yes.

02:12:14.234 --> 02:12:16.234
>> public hearing is open.

02:12:17.172 --> 02:12:19.172
>> the benefit to the property

02:12:19.797 --> 02:12:21.797
owner for structure only would

02:12:22.203 --> 02:12:24.203
be $6,227.

02:12:28.344 --> 02:12:29.750
For structure and land is
$12,282.

02:12:30.672 --> 02:12:32.953
>> public hearing.
Would ask first are there

02:12:33.375 --> 02:12:35.547
questions by members of the
council on this item?

02:12:36.219 --> 02:12:39.160
>> let me ask, anyone in the
public that wants to speak on

02:12:39.940 --> 02:12:41.940
this item?

02:12:41.359 --> 02:12:44.188
Let the record reflect no one in
the public asked to speak on
this item.

02:12:44.500 --> 02:12:46.500
>> Mr. Mayor?

02:12:48.828 --> 02:12:50.828
>> recognize Councilman Brown.

02:12:52.141 --> 02:12:54.969
>> I would support this motion
because I think this is the only

02:12:56.641 --> 02:12:58.641
house that we're discussing this

02:12:58.844 --> 02:13:00.844
evening that is actually

02:13:03.219 --> 02:13:05.219
individually listed in the

02:13:06.312 --> 02:13:07.719
national register of historic
places.

02:13:08.656 --> 02:13:10.578
As a result of that, it is an
important motion.

02:13:10.719 --> 02:13:12.719
>> Mr. Mayor.

02:13:13.125 --> 02:13:15.125
>> recognize Councilman Woodard.

02:13:15.219 --> 02:13:17.656
>> for my sake, you said house,
Mr. Brown.

02:13:18.719 --> 02:13:21.469
I believe we're discussing
liberty warehouse.
>> right.

02:13:21.469 --> 02:13:23.531
>> ok.
>> you said house.

02:13:24.234 --> 02:13:26.297
I just wanted to make sure.
It confused me.

02:13:26.297 --> 02:13:28.297
>> ok.

02:13:28.531 --> 02:13:30.703
>> I'm sure a lot of tobacco
farmers spent time in there over

02:13:31.172 --> 02:13:32.969
the years.
>> ok.

02:13:34.703 --> 02:13:36.703
>> Mr. Mayor, the microphone.

02:13:37.312 --> 02:13:38.672
>> recognize Councilman Woodard.
>> ok.

02:13:39.609 --> 02:13:42.344
I actually will vote against
this.
I will be happy to make the

02:13:42.781 --> 02:13:44.891
motion for the sake of getting
an item on the table.

02:13:45.281 --> 02:13:48.219
I will vote against this.
Because this is an example to me

02:13:48.891 --> 02:13:51.422
of one of the reasons why we
need to reform the policy.

02:13:52.500 --> 02:13:54.500
few improvements have been made

02:13:58.672 --> 02:14:00.500
to the structure since it was
declared historic.

02:14:01.531 --> 02:14:04.344
This is to me an example of
there are others in this stack

02:14:04.469 --> 02:14:06.469
that actually work against what

02:14:07.969 --> 02:14:10.281
we are trying to accomplish
here.

02:14:11.172 --> 02:14:13.160
I appreciate the historic
nature.

02:14:13.344 --> 02:14:15.344
One of the things we talked

02:14:15.750 --> 02:14:18.156
about on this is the nature of
investing in a property and

02:14:19.160 --> 02:14:21.160
helping to preserve it and the

02:14:21.688 --> 02:14:23.688
current ownership in my mind has

02:14:24.125 --> 02:14:27.940
done very little to preserve
this.
I will vote against this item

02:14:27.594 --> 02:14:29.594
and would urge my colleague to

02:14:31.359 --> 02:14:33.734
join me in voting no.
>> entertain a motion on the

02:14:33.734 --> 02:14:35.734
item.

02:14:36.797 --> 02:14:39.172
>> I will move the item with
structure and land, again with

02:14:39.766 --> 02:14:41.766
my intent of voting no.

02:14:49.344 --> 02:14:51.344
>> second to the motion?

02:14:53.160 --> 02:14:55.160
properly

02:14:55.547 --> 02:14:57.781
properly moved and seconded.
Madam Clerk, open the vote,
close the vote.

02:15:02.797 --> 02:15:04.797
>> it passes 4-3.

02:15:07.266 --> 02:15:09.266
Members woodard, and others

02:15:09.703 --> 02:15:11.703
voting no.

02:15:12.578 --> 02:15:14.672
>> let's move to the next one.
20. Historic landmark
designation-dillard and

02:15:14.672 --> 02:15:16.672
mildred teer house (Ld0900004)

02:15:20.953 --> 02:15:23.875
>> it is located at 4375.
It is in the forest hills

02:15:24.984 --> 02:15:27.578
national register historic
district.
The house is significant as one

02:15:29.281 --> 02:15:31.422
of the few examples of true
moderate or residential

02:15:32.250 --> 02:15:34.250
architecture in durham and well

02:15:34.359 --> 02:15:36.359
executed and preserved model of

02:15:37.703 --> 02:15:39.703
the human strain of modernism.

02:15:42.620 --> 02:15:44.620
The organic integrate of the

02:15:45.375 --> 02:15:47.375
structure and swimming pool ond

02:15:47.703 --> 02:15:49.203
outbuilding contribute
significantly.

02:15:50.141 --> 02:15:52.281
That is why staff recommends the
structure of the land as well in

02:15:52.281 --> 02:15:54.281
this case.

02:15:54.516 --> 02:15:56.406
The historic preservation
commission unanimously

02:15:57.188 --> 02:15:59.188
recommended approval on

02:16:00.391 --> 02:16:02.391
October 6, 2009.

02:16:02.516 --> 02:16:04.922
For your information the benefit
to the property owner if the

02:16:06.391 --> 02:16:08.391
structure only was designated

02:16:08.562 --> 02:16:10.562
would be $3,988.

02:16:11.234 --> 02:16:13.234
If the structure and land were

02:16:15.203 --> 02:16:17.531
both designated would be $4,692.
I would be happy to answer any

02:16:17.531 --> 02:16:19.531
questions.

02:16:20.203 --> 02:16:21.609
>> thank you, again, a public
hearing.

02:16:23.000 --> 02:16:25.875
I will declare the public
hearing open.

02:16:26.875 --> 02:16:29.516
Is there questions by the
council for staff presentation.

02:16:29.750 --> 02:16:31.875
Is there anyone in the public
that would like to speak on this

02:16:31.875 --> 02:16:34.312
item?
Let the record reflect that no

02:16:38.859 --> 02:16:40.219
one in the public asked to
speak.

02:16:41.359 --> 02:16:44.188
I declare the matter closed.
>> for purposes of taking action

02:16:45.234 --> 02:16:47.766
on this I will move that we
adopt the ordinance for the

02:16:48.172 --> 02:16:50.859
structure and land.
However saying that, I intent to

02:16:50.859 --> 02:16:52.859
vote no.

02:16:53.310 --> 02:16:55.844
This is another example of why I
believe we need clarification on

02:16:57.734 --> 02:16:59.734
this as the council has

02:17:01.109 --> 02:17:04.160
considered this item.
Age is a question and

02:17:04.188 --> 02:17:07.780
improvements is a question.
My understanding from staff,

02:17:08.780 --> 02:17:10.780
there have been minimal

02:17:10.281 --> 02:17:12.281
improvements on the property.

02:17:13.656 --> 02:17:16.625
It was in very good shape when
the current owners purchased it.

02:17:18.922 --> 02:17:21.125
i would be happy to make that
motion with the intent of voting

02:17:21.125 --> 02:17:23.266
no.
>> let me ask, first of all, the

02:17:23.266 --> 02:17:25.266
motion.

02:17:26.562 --> 02:17:28.562
Is there a second to the motion.

02:17:29.266 --> 02:17:31.938
Properly moved and seconded.
I appreciate your comments,

02:17:31.938 --> 02:17:33.938
Mr. Woodard.

02:17:34.406 --> 02:17:36.406
I need some clarification from

02:17:41.812 --> 02:17:44.422
the council.
From the staff in lieu of what

02:17:44.422 --> 02:17:46.422
he made.

02:17:46.656 --> 02:17:48.656
You are recommending landmark
designation but not to include

02:17:49.219 --> 02:17:51.328
the land; is that correct.
>> that is correct.

02:17:52.594 --> 02:17:55.359
>> but I also heard Councilman
Woodard said there has been very

02:17:56.438 --> 02:17:58.438
little improvement to the house.
Now is that true?

02:18:06.172 --> 02:18:07.672
why are you making the
recommendation?

02:18:08.641 --> 02:18:10.160
>> I'm sorry I missed the end of
that.

02:18:10.938 --> 02:18:13.141
>> if I understand Mr. Woodard,
I understand little was done to

02:18:13.219 --> 02:18:15.219
the truckure.

02:18:15.375 --> 02:18:17.484
>> the structure has been
maintained over time, which is

02:18:17.812 --> 02:18:20.453
one of the things that is
essential in the historic

02:18:21.219 --> 02:18:23.359
preservation, not only the
renovation of historic

02:18:23.594 --> 02:18:25.797
properties but also maintenance
of the properties over time.

02:18:27.562 --> 02:18:30.203
So the structure is in fantastic
condition, inside and out, very

02:18:33.828 --> 02:18:35.828
little change to it since it was

02:18:37.938 --> 02:18:39.938
built and the owner, I know, is

02:18:40.469 --> 02:18:43.281
replacing the roof, it is a flat
roof, so there has been

02:18:43.812 --> 02:18:46.281
maintenance needed there.
Other than that, this property

02:18:47.188 --> 02:18:49.750
has been maintained over time.
>> if you have comments on that.

02:18:51.470 --> 02:18:54.470
>> to put a point on this.
I think this case -- I am

02:18:55.953 --> 02:18:58.359
actually going to make a comment
about item 21 when it comes

02:18:58.594 --> 02:19:01.391
before us in a moment.
To me, these are examples of why

02:19:02.625 --> 02:19:05.469
we need clarification in the
policy.
When the tear family lived in

02:19:06.141 --> 02:19:07.797
the home, they maintained it
very well.

02:19:08.406 --> 02:19:10.406
So when the current owners

02:19:11.141 --> 02:19:13.141
bought it, they didn't buy a

02:19:13.672 --> 02:19:15.672
house that has a home to one of

02:19:16.375 --> 02:19:18.984
durham prominent families.
I would suggest that -- I have

02:19:19.578 --> 02:19:20.953
concerns about the age of the
home.

02:19:22.688 --> 02:19:25.470
I don't think it is old enough.
i won't go any further.

02:19:26.656 --> 02:19:28.859
That is one point.
Two, the maintenance of it.

02:19:29.219 --> 02:19:31.219
The current owners have done

02:19:31.297 --> 02:19:34.266
little to improve it because the
house didn't need improvement.

02:19:34.891 --> 02:19:36.891
That is why some of the points

02:19:37.156 --> 02:19:39.672
staff has brought to us tonight
I think will help us clarify

02:19:40.000 --> 02:19:42.766
that when we have that
discussion later in the year.

02:19:44.000 --> 02:19:46.000
>> and again, I guess I need to

02:19:47.780 --> 02:19:49.780
make myself clear, again.

02:19:50.344 --> 02:19:53.172
My whole concern has been not
whether or not the staff has the

02:19:53.172 --> 02:19:55.172
discretion to determine whether

02:19:55.188 --> 02:19:57.109
the property is historic or not.
That is not the question.

02:19:58.780 --> 02:20:00.484
If all the property his been
brought to us and you said we

02:20:01.156 --> 02:20:03.547
don't think we merit it, that is
a different issue than to say we

02:20:04.953 --> 02:20:07.828
think it merits it, but we don't
think the land merits it.

02:20:08.000 --> 02:20:09.500
That is what the discussion was
for me.

02:20:10.391 --> 02:20:12.391
So having said that, I will call

02:20:15.620 --> 02:20:17.828
the question on this item.
Madam Clerk, open the vote.

02:20:22.172 --> 02:20:24.172
Close the vote.

02:20:26.470 --> 02:20:28.470
>> it passes 4-3 with council

02:20:31.344 --> 02:20:33.344
member brown, catotti and
woodard voting no.

02:20:34.780 --> 02:20:36.780
>> thank you, we'll move to the

02:20:36.484 --> 02:20:39.422
final one, which is
21. Historic landmark
designation-paschall-thomas
house (Ld0900006)

02:20:45.531 --> 02:20:47.969
>> application for this house
listed at 2009 west club

02:20:47.969 --> 02:20:50.438
boulevard.
It is not individually listed on

02:20:51.500 --> 02:20:53.500
the national register but listed

02:20:53.875 --> 02:20:56.578
in the national register and
local historic district.

02:20:59.484 --> 02:21:01.484
The house is a well executed and

02:21:01.547 --> 02:21:03.547
intricately detailed house.

02:21:03.781 --> 02:21:06.281
The elaborate beams, glass
windows along the east bay and

02:21:11.859 --> 02:21:14.156
the undivided double hung
transoms, the unique elements

02:21:14.594 --> 02:21:16.594
throughout the house, that are

02:21:17.828 --> 02:21:19.828
believed to be from the mansion.

02:21:20.969 --> 02:21:23.859
Thereby significant by inviting
the type and high artistic
value.

02:21:25.234 --> 02:21:27.797
The state has reviewed the
application.
Staff recommends designation of

02:21:29.344 --> 02:21:31.344
the structure only.

02:21:31.375 --> 02:21:33.375
And the historic designation

02:21:33.781 --> 02:21:35.812
recommended this 4-1 on auction
six, 2009.

02:21:37.312 --> 02:21:39.312
The benefit to the property

02:21:39.891 --> 02:21:41.891
owner if the structure only is

02:21:42.125 --> 02:21:44.125
designated would be $2,873.

02:21:47.422 --> 02:21:49.422
The structure and land would be

02:21:59.906 --> 02:22:02.875
$33,430 -- $300,430 -- $3,430.
>> let me ask, is there anyone

02:22:03.312 --> 02:22:05.312
in the public that would like to

02:22:06.641 --> 02:22:08.641
speak on this item in.

02:22:10.484 --> 02:22:12.719
>> let me indicate no one
requested to discuss.

02:22:12.984 --> 02:22:14.750
>> I don't want to prolong our
discussions tonight, but I

02:22:16.516 --> 02:22:18.516
believe this is an example to me

02:22:18.828 --> 02:22:21.359
of contrasting this with the
teer house, why we need to make

02:22:21.359 --> 02:22:23.359
changes in this.

02:22:23.391 --> 02:22:26.940
This was a historic home, we
heard the connections with

02:22:26.969 --> 02:22:29.203
washington duke, with other
residents who lived here.

02:22:29.766 --> 02:22:31.766
however the house had fallen

02:22:33.562 --> 02:22:36.344
into disrepair, converted into a
triplex.
I think I mentioned in a

02:22:37.578 --> 02:22:39.938
previous council moring on this
in our neighborhood, I live near

02:22:40.672 --> 02:22:42.672
this house.

02:22:43.344 --> 02:22:45.719
It was known as disgreat land
because it had fallen into such

02:22:45.719 --> 02:22:47.719
disrepair.

02:22:47.984 --> 02:22:50.719
Here the owners have come in,
made significant work and

02:22:50.750 --> 02:22:52.750
investment and I suggest because

02:22:53.422 --> 02:22:56.188
of their investment, the
properties in proximity to them

02:22:56.828 --> 02:22:58.828
have benefitted as well.

02:23:00.531 --> 02:23:02.531
This is a good example of how we

02:23:02.891 --> 02:23:04.391
should use the historic
designations.

02:23:07.406 --> 02:23:09.406
Contrasting that with the teer

02:23:09.531 --> 02:23:12.172
house or liberty warehouse.
i hope that edifies this as we

02:23:12.172 --> 02:23:14.703
move forward.
Having said that, I will move

02:23:16.312 --> 02:23:18.812
that we adopt the ordinance to
include structure and land.

02:23:20.547 --> 02:23:22.812
>> properly moved and seconded.
Discussion on the motion?

02:23:23.547 --> 02:23:25.547
Hearing none, calling the

02:23:25.719 --> 02:23:27.156
question, Madam Clerk, open the
vote.

02:23:27.922 --> 02:23:29.922
Close the vote.

02:23:32.156 --> 02:23:34.797
>> it passes 7-0.
>> let me just make a comment.

02:23:36.438 --> 02:23:38.766
I don't usually make comments
when public comments are made at

02:23:38.906 --> 02:23:41.562
the public hearing.
I think it might be appropriate,

02:23:43.344 --> 02:23:44.797
at least for me as the mayor to
do that.

02:23:45.875 --> 02:23:48.141
And I'm directing my comments to
the young lady that came before

02:23:48.609 --> 02:23:50.609
the podium who said she had

02:23:51.406 --> 02:23:53.470
never been to one of our council
meetings before.

02:23:54.484 --> 02:23:56.484
What you saw this evening was

02:23:58.780 --> 02:24:00.984
not so much a matter of passion.
We May have been emphatic in

02:24:01.219 --> 02:24:03.219
some of our remarks.

02:24:03.422 --> 02:24:06.620
There are a list of items, that
my opinion, we had to bring some

02:24:06.125 --> 02:24:08.125
type of order to.

02:24:08.969 --> 02:24:11.156
So we could proceed smoothly
with others.

02:24:11.938 --> 02:24:14.703
that is what was occurring
during the first motion in terms

02:24:15.438 --> 02:24:17.438
of how do we as a council choose
to vote on an item.

02:24:19.109 --> 02:24:21.438
I can tell you, we have had very
passionate arguments at this

02:24:22.172 --> 02:24:23.969
council, but in my opinion, that
wasn't one of them.

02:24:26.406 --> 02:24:28.516
It was sort of trying to reign
order to chaos.

02:24:29.453 --> 02:24:31.781
Sometimes we have to have chaos
before you bring order.

02:24:33.719 --> 02:24:35.312
this is what we were attempting
to do.

02:24:36.328 --> 02:24:38.328
We would invite you back and

02:24:39.219 --> 02:24:41.625
this council is very open to
receiving comments from anyone

02:24:43.469 --> 02:24:45.734
when we have public hearings.
I don't want you to take that to

02:24:46.310 --> 02:24:47.359
mean anything other than what I
said.

02:24:48.266 --> 02:24:50.266
I appreciate your comments.

02:24:51.969 --> 02:24:54.266
Let's move now to item
25. Local funding commitment for
rolling hills submission to

02:24:54.266 --> 02:24:55.766
north carolina housing finance
agency (Nchfa)

02:25:01.453 --> 02:25:04.780
>> Councilwoman Catotti.
>> thank you, mayor.

02:25:04.688 --> 02:25:07.125
>> prior to going through this
actual agenda item, I want to

02:25:07.391 --> 02:25:10.250
make a few remarks.
There was a lot of concern

02:25:11.797 --> 02:25:13.656
expressed last week in our
discussions of rolling hills.

02:25:15.125 --> 02:25:17.125
many of us support the

02:25:18.000 --> 02:25:20.000
revitalization of rolling hills,

02:25:20.328 --> 02:25:22.328
south side, st. Teresa, many of

02:25:22.734 --> 02:25:24.734
us are concerned about the

02:25:25.000 --> 02:25:27.000
proposed redirection of cdbg for

02:25:30.469 --> 02:25:32.469
20 and 10 years they're funded

02:25:33.109 --> 02:25:34.516
from low services in our
community.

02:25:35.250 --> 02:25:37.250
for safe affordable housing to

02:25:38.160 --> 02:25:40.160
support our homeless population.

02:25:40.250 --> 02:25:42.250
I expect we will hear from many

02:25:42.625 --> 02:25:44.625
concerned parties as we have.

02:25:45.940 --> 02:25:47.940
In an effort to ease those

02:25:47.188 --> 02:25:49.562
occurrence I I want to make a
motion that council direct the

02:25:52.734 --> 02:25:54.734
city manager to study evaluate

02:25:54.859 --> 02:25:57.406
funding, delivery services to
help with the functions

02:25:58.562 --> 02:26:00.672
currently funded through the
community development block

02:26:01.578 --> 02:26:03.578
grant and home entitlement and

02:26:03.672 --> 02:26:05.672
present the results of this

02:26:06.281 --> 02:26:09.172
study in evaluation along with
recommendation no longer than

02:26:12.375 --> 02:26:14.656
the second city council agenda
in 2010 for consideration.

02:26:15.484 --> 02:26:18.219
that would allow us to have
additional information about

02:26:19.453 --> 02:26:22.310
essentially those reprogram
dollars and how else we might be

02:26:22.594 --> 02:26:25.594
able to fund those serves prior
to approving a development

02:26:26.734 --> 02:26:29.125
agreement for rolling hills.
I do so move.

02:26:30.234 --> 02:26:32.438
That text language is in italics
before all of us.

02:26:33.203 --> 02:26:35.203
>> second the motion.

02:26:35.344 --> 02:26:37.344
>> properly moved and seconded.

02:26:37.672 --> 02:26:39.703
discussion on the motion?
Recognize mire pro tem.

02:26:42.547 --> 02:26:44.547
>> with the understanding

02:26:47.344 --> 02:26:49.344
[Inaudible] That we're going to

02:26:49.547 --> 02:26:52.156
approve the finance plan as
approved by the manager?

02:26:53.359 --> 02:26:55.125
>> I asked to make a motion to
respond to that.

02:26:55.594 --> 02:26:58.266
>> I believe that will be the
next -- I believe that will be

02:27:00.625 --> 02:27:02.625
the actual agenda item, so yes,

02:27:04.469 --> 02:27:07.438
that would be the under
consideration.
Yeah, it is a new motion, thank

02:27:10.000 --> 02:27:12.375
you.
Is there further question on the

02:27:12.375 --> 02:27:14.969
motion?
Diane, I apologize did you read

02:27:15.375 --> 02:27:17.375
what was in italics.

02:27:18.160 --> 02:27:20.875
>> I amended it slightly, just
to say that council direct the

02:27:21.578 --> 02:27:24.578
city manager to study and
evaluate.
That is the only change.

02:27:24.812 --> 02:27:26.812
>> recognize -- 

02:27:27.219 --> 02:27:29.219
>> grammatical.

02:27:31.422 --> 02:27:33.422
>> clarity again on this motion.

02:27:34.500 --> 02:27:37.620
If we support this motion does
that mean we're also supporting

02:27:39.766 --> 02:27:42.266
the proposal as presented
autofinancial proposal.

02:27:42.406 --> 02:27:45.141
>> they're two separate.
>> definitely two separate?

02:27:46.203 --> 02:27:47.547
I thought that was the issue.
Ok.

02:27:48.672 --> 02:27:51.470
>> my feeling is they're both
two independent motions so

02:27:53.188 --> 02:27:54.688
everyone could make their own
determination.

02:27:55.422 --> 02:27:57.422
My hope would be yes in fact you

02:27:58.470 --> 02:28:00.984
would support the plan, noting
that the merits of that and we

02:28:01.160 --> 02:28:03.160
can talk about that later.

02:28:03.984 --> 02:28:06.359
I think a lot of us want to see
the rolling hills plan move
forward.

02:28:06.688 --> 02:28:08.688
We were concerned about the

02:28:08.703 --> 02:28:10.703
impact on many of our sub

02:28:10.969 --> 02:28:13.620
subrecipients and the important
services they provide.

02:28:13.938 --> 02:28:15.328
So does that answer your
question?

02:28:16.344 --> 02:28:18.344
You could vote yes on this and

02:28:18.766 --> 02:28:21.734
no on that at your discretion.
I can't say we will or won't.

02:28:22.344 --> 02:28:23.906
It is my intention to vote yes
on both.

02:28:29.156 --> 02:28:31.156
I can tell you that.

02:28:31.719 --> 02:28:33.922
>> I want to make sure
Councilman Brown was clear on
the motion.

02:28:36.797 --> 02:28:38.797
I will call the question.

02:28:40.234 --> 02:28:41.766
madam clerk, open the vote.
Close the vote.

02:28:42.500 --> 02:28:44.500
You are looking puzzled.

02:28:45.172 --> 02:28:47.620
What are you looking puzzled
about?

02:28:48.375 --> 02:28:50.766
Are you ok?
Ok.

02:28:53.470 --> 02:28:55.470
Say what?

02:28:55.547 --> 02:28:57.547
>> oh, ok.

02:28:57.844 --> 02:29:00.160
>> passes 7-0.
>> thank you.

02:29:01.922 --> 02:29:03.922
now turn it over to the city

02:29:07.312 --> 02:29:09.312
manager and likewise.

02:29:10.656 --> 02:29:12.219
>> good evening again mayor
bell.

02:29:13.188 --> 02:29:15.188
Larry jarvis.

02:29:15.625 --> 02:29:17.625
The motion before you -- 

02:29:18.266 --> 02:29:20.203
>> larry can you get closer to
the microphone.

02:29:21.328 --> 02:29:24.172
>> the motion before you is like
the ones you dealt with.

02:29:25.641 --> 02:29:28.203
The first is for council to
authorize the city manager to

02:29:29.734 --> 02:29:32.312
issue to mba development
corporation a conditional

02:29:34.609 --> 02:29:36.750
submission in the amount of
$5 million for rental

02:29:44.160 --> 02:29:45.688
development consisting of 119
mix-income units and 16

02:29:46.310 --> 02:29:48.219
live-work in units and site and
infrastructure improvements in

02:29:54.594 --> 02:29:56.620
an amount not to exceed
$3,887,410.

02:29:56.906 --> 02:29:58.906
Before we ask you to consider

02:29:59.469 --> 02:30:02.000
that, we wanted to present the
powerpoint we gave at

02:30:02.000 --> 02:30:04.000
worksession last week so anyone

02:30:04.470 --> 02:30:06.719
that was not able to see that
would have the benefit of the

02:30:08.844 --> 02:30:11.160
information that was presented.
Particularly those who were at

02:30:11.391 --> 02:30:13.391
home who have not been able to

02:30:21.359 --> 02:30:23.359
see the powerpoint.

02:30:24.620 --> 02:30:26.828
>> the image before you now is
represented by the intent white,

02:30:26.828 --> 02:30:29.641
dashed outline.
There are other areas that are

02:30:31.172 --> 02:30:33.906
represented there, more for
reference than anything else,

02:30:35.766 --> 02:30:37.578
such as fayette place, forest
hills heights.

02:30:39.344 --> 02:30:41.812
Those areas are not within the
redevelopment plan.

02:30:43.422 --> 02:30:45.875
it was less more or less for
context.
One thing that is important to

02:30:47.859 --> 02:30:49.859
keep in mind is the geographic

02:30:51.940 --> 02:30:54.940
proximity of the redevelopment
area to downtown durham.

02:30:54.484 --> 02:30:57.234
The durham freeway there.
You can see the location of

02:30:59.469 --> 02:31:00.891
american tobacco durham athletic
park.

02:31:02.828 --> 02:31:05.141
To the staff, we have north
carolina central university just

02:31:10.203 --> 02:31:12.875
beyond the southern border.
Just went to the very end for

02:31:16.484 --> 02:31:18.719
some reason.
One thing we thought was

02:31:20.109 --> 02:31:22.344
important was to kind of recap
why we're here to talk about the

02:31:23.656 --> 02:31:25.781
level of stress that we have in
the rolling hills and south side

02:31:25.781 --> 02:31:27.828
community.
We thought it was important to

02:31:28.719 --> 02:31:30.719
start with a few photographs

02:31:31.310 --> 02:31:33.766
that are kind of representative
of the disinvestment that has

02:31:34.125 --> 02:31:36.125
taken place in the neighborhood

02:31:37.875 --> 02:31:39.875
over many, many years.

02:31:40.844 --> 02:31:42.844
This of course is on the rolling

02:31:43.344 --> 02:31:45.344
hills site itself.

02:31:47.609 --> 02:31:50.547
homestead street.
Then most people are familiar

02:31:52.281 --> 02:31:54.281
with the wooded school, which is

02:31:55.780 --> 02:31:57.780
also on that street.

02:31:58.594 --> 02:32:00.484
Your key points that we want to
make.

02:32:01.940 --> 02:32:03.940
First is that one of the

02:32:03.453 --> 02:32:05.891
affordable housing elements, the
rolling hills project is first

02:32:07.391 --> 02:32:10.620
and foremost a neighborhood
revitalization project with the

02:32:12.940 --> 02:32:14.469
objective of attracting private,
profit-motivated investment over
the long-term.

02:32:15.703 --> 02:32:17.578
Because of the years of
disinvestment, the neighborhood

02:32:20.438 --> 02:32:22.812
has more vacant and deteriorated
properties than available local

02:32:23.672 --> 02:32:25.672
and federal funding can address.

02:32:26.109 --> 02:32:28.609
the centerpiece of the
revitalization strategy for the

02:32:29.516 --> 02:32:31.812
area is what we refer to as the
stepping point project, which

02:32:33.453 --> 02:32:35.453
consists of the following
elements.

02:32:36.188 --> 02:32:38.859
Superior design, construction
quality and mixture of rental

02:32:39.500 --> 02:32:41.500
and homeownership opportunities

02:32:41.594 --> 02:32:44.297
for a broad range of income and
approximately 250 rental units

02:32:47.266 --> 02:32:49.266
and 40 homeownership units.

02:32:50.234 --> 02:32:53.000
Our desired outcome is catalytic
effect resulting in an

02:32:54.906 --> 02:32:57.906
additional 1,000 new residential
units over the next six to eight

02:32:59.780 --> 02:33:01.780
years and accelerating the

02:33:01.688 --> 02:33:04.547
timing for heritage square and
redevelopment of fayette place.

02:33:06.470 --> 02:33:08.160
Here we want to draw your
attention to the green area here

02:33:09.310 --> 02:33:11.310
in the center of the image.

02:33:11.594 --> 02:33:14.297
That is where the tipping point
phase will occur.

02:33:15.940 --> 02:33:18.000
Here, most people can recognize
what is the existing rolling

02:33:18.266 --> 02:33:20.266
hills site where the city is in

02:33:20.672 --> 02:33:22.672
the process of acquiring what

02:33:23.141 --> 02:33:25.812
were 51 privately owned
properties from that site.

02:33:29.203 --> 02:33:31.984
to the left is the area in which
self-help has concentrated its

02:33:33.312 --> 02:33:36.160
acquisition efforts in the south
side communities.

02:33:37.160 --> 02:33:39.125
Self-help has upwards of 100
properties they have acquired

02:33:39.125 --> 02:33:41.125
over there.

02:33:41.156 --> 02:33:43.156
We also want to draw your

02:33:44.156 --> 02:33:46.156
attention to some of the

02:33:47.266 --> 02:33:49.766
adjacent areas that could be
influenced by the particular

02:33:50.703 --> 02:33:52.703
project and of course, over to

02:33:52.797 --> 02:33:54.797
the immediate right of the image

02:33:55.703 --> 02:33:57.703
is fayette place, which is a

02:33:58.844 --> 02:34:01.312
vacant 20-acre former public
housing complex, immediately to

02:34:02.470 --> 02:34:04.470
the north of rolling hills.

02:34:06.875 --> 02:34:08.875
It is the proposed heritage

02:34:09.470 --> 02:34:11.344
square redevelopment project, if
redeveloped, according to the

02:34:12.470 --> 02:34:14.470
plans submitted and approved a

02:34:15.516 --> 02:34:17.516
couple of years ago,

02:34:18.125 --> 02:34:20.125
approximately 780,000 square

02:34:20.219 --> 02:34:22.219
feet of mixed use.

02:34:24.266 --> 02:34:26.234
Here we focus in on the
consensus plan.

02:34:26.500 --> 02:34:28.500
Rolling hills is on the right.

02:34:28.969 --> 02:34:30.969
to the left, if you see

02:34:32.310 --> 02:34:34.109
properties shaded in green, that
represents property that has

02:34:36.109 --> 02:34:38.109
been acquired or under the

02:34:39.609 --> 02:34:41.609
control of self-help.

02:34:42.609 --> 02:34:44.609
Here at look wood avenue is the

02:34:44.656 --> 02:34:47.312
location for the first
developmental phase.
The subject of the action

02:34:47.312 --> 02:34:49.312
tonight to provide the

02:34:49.656 --> 02:34:52.328
commitment of financing.
That will go in for the

02:34:52.328 --> 02:34:54.656
application that will be
submitted on May 14th.

02:35:01.266 --> 02:35:04.000
On that site, that would include
119 mixed-income rental units in

02:35:06.812 --> 02:35:08.906
addition to 13 live-work units
on lakewood avenue.

02:35:12.641 --> 02:35:14.719
the site plan shows more detail
what is proposed in the first

02:35:14.719 --> 02:35:16.719
phase.

02:35:16.953 --> 02:35:19.719
First at the corner of lakewood
avenue and rocks borrow street.

02:35:20.625 --> 02:35:23.219
That would be a large water
feature that would serve both as

02:35:25.453 --> 02:35:27.453
an amenity for the entire

02:35:27.859 --> 02:35:29.859
project area, but would also

02:35:29.922 --> 02:35:32.500
have a functional element that
would be for storm water control

02:35:32.891 --> 02:35:34.891
and management.

02:35:35.620 --> 02:35:37.620
We also wanted people to be able

02:35:37.828 --> 02:35:40.469
to visualize the types of
buildings that would go into

02:35:41.310 --> 02:35:43.310
that first phase, keeping in

02:35:43.500 --> 02:35:45.547
mind, one of the things that is
very important to us that we

02:35:46.375 --> 02:35:48.172
want to make sure we are
consistent about throughout the

02:35:50.219 --> 02:35:52.219
project is that we have very

02:35:52.953 --> 02:35:54.953
high quality standards and that

02:35:55.422 --> 02:35:57.422
everything looks market rate.

02:36:01.297 --> 02:36:02.922
Of course here is a four-unit
townhouse bell

02:36:04.703 --> 02:36:06.328
townhouse building, nine-unite
walk up.

02:36:07.234 --> 02:36:08.672
This is one of the elevator
buildings.

02:36:10.797 --> 02:36:12.797
This one would be located facing

02:36:12.938 --> 02:36:14.938
rocks

02:36:15.812 --> 02:36:17.812
rocks borrow street.

02:36:22.406 --> 02:36:24.484
We have a mixed unit building on
lake worth avenue.

02:36:25.188 --> 02:36:27.922
You can see where the units
would be located.

02:36:27.922 --> 02:36:29.922
Concurrent with the development

02:36:29.984 --> 02:36:31.984
of the first phase of mixed

02:36:32.160 --> 02:36:34.719
income rental, we would begin
with the development of

02:36:35.422 --> 02:36:37.422
homeownership units on-sites

02:36:39.859 --> 02:36:41.859
that are owned by self-help over

02:36:42.625 --> 02:36:44.500
on hillside avenue and chestnut
street.

02:36:46.438 --> 02:36:48.438
Indicated here, 30 properties

02:36:48.766 --> 02:36:50.766
that are under self-help site

02:36:50.969 --> 02:36:53.703
control in that location.
the second phase rental

02:36:54.641 --> 02:36:56.641
development would occur on about

02:37:00.922 --> 02:37:03.281
three acres of the rolling hills
site on bee man place on the

02:37:06.781 --> 02:37:08.781
west side of rocks borrow street

02:37:09.250 --> 02:37:11.250
continue nap involves a new

02:37:12.828 --> 02:37:15.531
street from rocks borrow
connecting that to piedmont.

02:37:20.609 --> 02:37:22.469
That would be additional 115
mixed-income units.

02:37:23.609 --> 02:37:25.609
The second phase of

02:37:26.780 --> 02:37:28.470
homeownership units would occur
on sat street.

02:37:28.875 --> 02:37:31.141
Adjacent to sat street and
indicated here, currently 15

02:37:32.141 --> 02:37:34.141
properties in that location that

02:37:37.160 --> 02:37:39.160
are on self-help site control.

02:37:39.781 --> 02:37:42.391
What we wanted to do here was to
summarize what we refer to as

02:37:42.828 --> 02:37:44.828
the tipping point project in

02:37:45.940 --> 02:37:47.940
terms of the component, the cost

02:37:48.000 --> 02:37:50.000
anlet proposed funding source.

02:37:50.203 --> 02:37:52.203
In order to develop any of these

02:37:53.328 --> 02:37:55.328
rolling hills site, it will be

02:37:55.734 --> 02:37:58.172
necessary to rough grade the
entire site at once.

02:37:58.172 --> 02:38:01.141
Because there is excess material
that needs to be removed from

02:38:01.172 --> 02:38:03.844
the rolling hills site, some
portion of that would be used

02:38:08.484 --> 02:38:10.484
actually to bring up and raze

02:38:11.516 --> 02:38:12.891
the bemon place of the second
rentals.

02:38:13.688 --> 02:38:15.188
The estimated cost is
2.5 million.

02:38:18.625 --> 02:38:21.620
the funding source would be cdbg
section 108 loan that would be

02:38:22.156 --> 02:38:24.625
repaid over a 20-year term.
Secondly, the infrastructure to

02:38:26.172 --> 02:38:28.172
serve the first phase of the

02:38:28.328 --> 02:38:30.672
mixed-income rental unit on the
rolling hills site is estimated

02:38:34.266 --> 02:38:36.266
to under just under 1.4 million,

02:38:37.516 --> 02:38:40.109
to be repaid section 108,
20-year term.

02:38:42.250 --> 02:38:44.250
Bemon place portion, some

02:38:46.188 --> 02:38:48.780
properties the city has
participated with self-help.

02:38:49.188 --> 02:38:50.688
Most of the properties is
already acquire

02:38:51.656 --> 02:38:53.656
od their own.

02:38:53.766 --> 02:38:55.766
There will be some net

02:39:00.797 --> 02:39:03.940
acquisition cost of around
$805,000
$805,000.

02:39:05.141 --> 02:39:07.578
The subordinate phase for the
mixed-income rental units.

02:39:08.109 --> 02:39:10.109
The units in the phase.

02:39:10.578 --> 02:39:12.578
The estimated gap there is a

02:39:12.875 --> 02:39:14.875
little over $5.4 million.

02:39:15.844 --> 02:39:17.844
Those will be derived from

02:39:18.250 --> 02:39:20.250
housing bond loan repayments and

02:39:21.422 --> 02:39:23.625
borrowed funds to repay from
home entitlements.

02:39:23.984 --> 02:39:25.984
The period of payback is

02:39:35.297 --> 02:39:37.297
approximately 10 years.

02:39:40.797 --> 02:39:42.797
the bemon place fras frais a -- 

02:39:44.234 --> 02:39:46.438
infrastructure is little over
$2.4 million.

02:39:47.469 --> 02:39:49.469
We have subordinate line item

02:39:50.109 --> 02:39:53.109
for the second phase of rental
development just under
4.6 million.

02:39:53.953 --> 02:39:55.953
The funding source being

02:39:56.156 --> 02:39:58.156
borrowed funds to be repaid from

02:39:58.359 --> 02:40:00.359
home entitlement over a period

02:40:01.156 --> 02:40:03.156
of approximately 10 years.

02:40:05.156 --> 02:40:07.156
Finally, the subord-98 financing

02:40:07.359 --> 02:40:09.359
from the units we talked about

02:40:09.594 --> 02:40:11.594
and the estimated cost of that

02:40:11.734 --> 02:40:13.734
financing gap is under just

02:40:13.828 --> 02:40:16.641
under 2.6 million.
Those would be budgeted as part

02:40:17.969 --> 02:40:20.438
of the annual entitlement over a
period of approximately five
years.

02:40:22.406 --> 02:40:24.406
So you can see the total

02:40:24.781 --> 02:40:26.781
investment in terms of public

02:40:27.609 --> 02:40:29.609
dollars for the tipping point

02:40:35.219 --> 02:40:37.219
project is $19,776,000.

02:40:38.719 --> 02:40:40.719
We wanted to recap the cdbg

02:40:41.940 --> 02:40:43.125
section 108 and home bridge loan
development of those so you can

02:40:44.672 --> 02:40:46.672
see the numbers in aggregate.

02:40:47.828 --> 02:40:49.828
Again, the approximate amount of

02:40:50.531 --> 02:40:52.531
cdbg section 108 loan is under

02:40:54.938 --> 02:40:56.938
under 7.2 million with 20-year

02:40:57.141 --> 02:40:59.141
debt service period and home

02:40:59.344 --> 02:41:01.344
bridge under 7.6 million to be

02:41:04.780 --> 02:41:06.156
repaid over approximately a
10-year period.

02:41:08.328 --> 02:41:10.328
Obviously, to be able to access

02:41:11.391 --> 02:41:13.891
future cdbg funds and home
funds, we would need to look at

02:41:14.531 --> 02:41:16.531
doing things differently than we

02:41:19.594 --> 02:41:21.594
have in the postin terms of how

02:41:24.469 --> 02:41:26.469
they're in in terms of how

02:41:26.812 --> 02:41:28.812
they're they're allocated.

02:41:29.469 --> 02:41:31.469
The subject of tonight's action

02:41:33.250 --> 02:41:36.219
and comparing what the
approximate distribution of the

02:41:36.891 --> 02:41:38.891
funds might be going forward.

02:41:39.156 --> 02:41:41.156
As you can see, that third line

02:41:42.719 --> 02:41:44.125
item there is the 108 celebrity
service.

02:41:48.000 --> 02:41:50.000
That is estimated to be around

02:41:50.391 --> 02:41:52.969
26% of the total cdbg
entitlement and program income.

02:41:53.406 --> 02:41:55.406
That would be constant for a

02:41:58.172 --> 02:42:00.812
period of 20 years.
Additionally, there are a very

02:42:02.344 --> 02:42:04.344
modest aim of funds that -- 

02:42:05.344 --> 02:42:07.875
amount of funds we plugged in,
for ongoing miscellaneous

02:42:08.719 --> 02:42:10.719
activities in the south side

02:42:10.891 --> 02:42:12.891
area, such as some additional

02:42:13.719 --> 02:42:15.859
streetscape improvements,
gateway treatments, possibly

02:42:16.625 --> 02:42:18.750
some additional acquisition.
But very minimal.

02:42:19.422 --> 02:42:21.422
So basically, you can see that

02:42:22.620 --> 02:42:24.620
the activity that would be

02:42:30.531 --> 02:42:32.531
funded by cdbg under this

02:42:33.780 --> 02:42:35.780
scenario would be under

02:42:35.109 --> 02:42:37.109
celebrity service, south side,

02:42:40.375 --> 02:42:42.453
code enforcement undertaken by
neighborhood improvement

02:42:42.609 --> 02:42:44.141
services and then
administration.

02:42:44.953 --> 02:42:46.953
On the home side, the period of

02:42:48.940 --> 02:42:51.160
the payback is about 10 years.
You can see initially we would

02:42:53.688 --> 02:42:55.688
start maintaining the 15% shut

02:42:56.891 --> 02:42:58.891
aside which could be used for

02:43:00.734 --> 02:43:02.734
special-needs housing.

02:43:04.469 --> 02:43:07.297
then we would have the loan
repayment, the rolling hills

02:43:08.609 --> 02:43:10.609
south side advanced payment, for

02:43:11.281 --> 02:43:13.578
the first five years 41% of the
home entitlement.

02:43:15.984 --> 02:43:17.984
Then bump up to 65% in years six

02:43:18.188 --> 02:43:20.188
through 10 to complete that

02:43:20.344 --> 02:43:22.344
payback within a 10-year period.

02:43:23.719 --> 02:43:26.620
we would also have funds for
rolling hills south side homen

02:43:26.620 --> 02:43:28.562
orship.
Of course, that is where we

02:43:30.656 --> 02:43:33.940
budget the funds for the
construction costs that are

02:43:35.620 --> 02:43:37.620
needed for the first 40 units.

02:43:39.310 --> 02:43:40.609
You can see that in year six
through 10.

02:43:41.875 --> 02:43:43.312
You start seeing some shift and
movement.

02:43:45.281 --> 02:43:47.281
Year 11, we would be completely

02:43:47.484 --> 02:43:49.875
paid back with funds.
An approximate distribution of

02:43:50.109 --> 02:43:52.109
what the funds might look like

02:43:53.250 --> 02:43:55.250
at that point in time.

02:43:56.922 --> 02:43:58.922
In summary, we want to recognize

02:43:59.984 --> 02:44:01.984
that rollsouth side is an

02:44:02.620 --> 02:44:04.620
ambitious project and require an

02:44:04.188 --> 02:44:05.594
equally ambitious amount of
funding.

02:44:06.203 --> 02:44:08.625
The decision to target necessary
funding involves establishing

02:44:09.203 --> 02:44:11.203
priorities and making choices

02:44:12.531 --> 02:44:14.531
among many competing needs.

02:44:14.938 --> 02:44:17.609
but in terms of impact it could
be equal significance to the

02:44:19.160 --> 02:44:21.160
durham bulls athletic park.

02:44:21.719 --> 02:44:24.281
Again, just to recap, the
recommended actions, it is

02:44:24.844 --> 02:44:26.844
authorize the city manager to

02:44:27.156 --> 02:44:29.156
extend that conditional funding

02:44:29.688 --> 02:44:31.688
commitment that we need for

02:44:32.125 --> 02:44:34.484
May 14, 2010, submittal to the
housing finance agency.

02:44:35.125 --> 02:44:37.125
because we want to give the

02:44:37.625 --> 02:44:40.156
bigger picture of what phase two
involves as well, for council to

02:44:41.125 --> 02:44:43.125
accept that financing plan for

02:44:44.469 --> 02:44:46.469
the first two phases.

02:44:47.172 --> 02:44:49.172
Now, I believe that council did

02:44:49.906 --> 02:44:51.906
receive today responses to

02:44:52.203 --> 02:44:54.203
questions that were asked at

02:44:55.312 --> 02:44:57.875
worksession and so we would be
glad to answer any questions

02:44:58.547 --> 02:45:00.547
about our answers or to address

02:45:01.516 --> 02:45:03.219
any other questions that council
might have.

02:45:05.160 --> 02:45:07.160
I would also like to indicate

02:45:08.940 --> 02:45:11.940
that carl slacker from the firm
of barrel salazar is

02:45:11.156 --> 02:45:13.359
representing the development
team if there are questions of

02:45:13.359 --> 02:45:15.359
that group as well.

02:45:15.859 --> 02:45:18.266
>> thank you, larry.
Let me set some ground rules.

02:45:19.234 --> 02:45:21.734
This is not a public hearing.
I need to make that clear.

02:45:22.906 --> 02:45:24.906
It is not a public hearing.

02:45:25.000 --> 02:45:26.844
We recognize the importance of
this project.

02:45:29.844 --> 02:45:32.780
We recognize the interests that
persons have in this project.

02:45:33.609 --> 02:45:35.609
So persons that have signed up

02:45:37.160 --> 02:45:39.160
to speak, I'm going to allocate

02:45:39.516 --> 02:45:42.188
three minutes for each person.
And before I get into the

02:45:43.219 --> 02:45:45.219
council, I want to lay this out

02:45:45.531 --> 02:45:47.656
so people can have thoughts.
I have 17 persons signed up to

02:45:47.656 --> 02:45:50.156
speak.
Is not a public hearing.

02:45:50.359 --> 02:45:53.266
It is not a public hearing.
We don't have to let anyone
speak.

02:45:54.594 --> 02:45:57.172
So what I will do is call up
names of the persons that are

02:45:57.906 --> 02:45:59.906
signed up to speak.

02:46:00.109 --> 02:46:02.875
And after the last name, no one
else is going to be permitted to

02:46:06.719 --> 02:46:08.719
speak on this item.

02:46:10.470 --> 02:46:13.470
And ann atchin son, jack price.
If you are here, raise your
hand.

02:46:13.125 --> 02:46:15.125
So I know.

02:46:18.531 --> 02:46:20.531
jack price, ryan firm an,

02:46:21.562 --> 02:46:23.562
katherine flail.

02:46:25.125 --> 02:46:27.125
V. Peterson, john brison.

02:46:27.266 --> 02:46:29.266
I thought I saw john.

02:46:29.734 --> 02:46:32.203
Anita odom.
Ok.

02:46:36.938 --> 02:46:38.938
Philip azar.

02:46:39.516 --> 02:46:41.516
donovan drake.

02:46:42.470 --> 02:46:44.470
Terry alver.

02:46:46.391 --> 02:46:48.250
Larry hester, patrice nelson.
Ray [Inaudible].

02:46:50.453 --> 02:46:52.453
Is ray still here in jail, I

02:46:53.719 --> 02:46:55.562
thought I saw jill.
Denise hester.

02:46:57.328 --> 02:46:59.328
I saw denise.

02:47:00.438 --> 02:47:02.734
dennis boot.
Laurisa sign.
Ok.

02:47:02.938 --> 02:47:05.797
They will be the persons that
will speak at the appropriate
time.

02:47:07.312 --> 02:47:09.312
Again, we don't yield time.

02:47:09.344 --> 02:47:10.734
So if you are up, you have three
minutes.

02:47:12.516 --> 02:47:15.453
If you have written comments, we
appreciate if you leave it with
the clerk.

02:47:16.484 --> 02:47:19.484
And you can complete your
comments.
Leave them with the clerk as a

02:47:19.750 --> 02:47:22.125
matter of the record.
Having said that, go back to the

02:47:22.125 --> 02:47:24.125
council.

02:47:24.359 --> 02:47:25.750
I recognize Councilman Ali for
comments.

02:47:26.422 --> 02:47:29.620
If there are others.
>> I have a question questions

02:47:31.234 --> 02:47:33.234
for larry, if you don't mind.

02:47:34.620 --> 02:47:36.620
Larry, on the code enforcement,

02:47:37.672 --> 02:47:39.672
22% in administration of 20%, do

02:47:40.641 --> 02:47:43.438
you have -- for the next 20
years, what is currently the

02:47:43.938 --> 02:47:45.938
percentage that you are using

02:47:46.906 --> 02:47:48.438
for code enforcement
administration.

02:47:49.172 --> 02:47:51.688
>> under the program, we're
allowed to use 20% for

02:47:51.688 --> 02:47:54.609
administration which covers part
of the staffing cost, such

02:47:54.922 --> 02:47:57.780
things as rent and other
personnel costs.

02:47:58.940 --> 02:48:00.219
So we're capped at 20%.
>> those are the current

02:48:00.219 --> 02:48:02.594
allocations.
>> right.
>> those are not increases,

02:48:02.594 --> 02:48:04.969
those are the current.
>> I want to make sure we're

02:48:04.969 --> 02:48:06.969
clear on that.

02:48:09.469 --> 02:48:11.234
And on the 20 years, is the
20-year financing typical inside

02:48:14.266 --> 02:48:16.266
of what they do with hud for the

02:48:16.875 --> 02:48:19.469
cdbg money?
>> [Inaudible] For the term of

02:48:19.469 --> 02:48:21.469
section 108.

02:48:21.875 --> 02:48:23.281
you could pay it off faster or
sooner.

02:48:24.375 --> 02:48:26.375
No penalty for prepayment.

02:48:28.156 --> 02:48:30.156
>> not unusual to go 20 years?

02:48:30.984 --> 02:48:32.984
>> no, not on 108.

02:48:33.125 --> 02:48:35.125
>> thank you.

02:48:35.594 --> 02:48:37.391
>> other questions by members of
the council?

02:48:39.940 --> 02:48:40.500
If not -- I recognize Councilman
Brown.

02:48:42.000 --> 02:48:44.703
>> I just want to thank you for
your response to the list of

02:48:45.938 --> 02:48:48.672
questions I had at the
worksession.
Unfortunately, I just got it

02:48:49.000 --> 02:48:51.000
around 6:30.

02:48:51.109 --> 02:48:53.734
So thanks again.
>> you're welcome.

02:48:54.906 --> 02:48:56.906
>> any other questions by

02:48:57.172 --> 02:48:59.172
members of the council?

02:49:01.578 --> 02:49:03.984
if not, ann atchin son.
I know you pronounced your name

02:49:03.984 --> 02:49:05.984
correctly.

02:49:07.160 --> 02:49:09.688
I garbled it is ann here?
She went home?
Ok.

02:49:12.234 --> 02:49:14.891
Jack price.
In fact, you can start lining up

02:49:15.297 --> 02:49:17.297
if you would like.

02:49:19.203 --> 02:49:21.203
Jack price, ryan firm an,

02:49:21.672 --> 02:49:23.672
katherine, v. Peterson.

02:49:26.469 --> 02:49:29.141
john brison, a9 nita adom
pjonathan drake.

02:49:30.312 --> 02:49:32.312
Terry alvar.

02:49:34.875 --> 02:49:37.688
Ly, jill parker, denise hester,
dennis booth.

02:49:38.160 --> 02:49:40.160
Laurisa sovereign.

02:49:40.953 --> 02:49:43.859
>> thank you Mr. Mayor, I must
say that every time I heard the

02:49:46.940 --> 02:49:48.469
presentation of this proposal it
sounded less and less favorable

02:49:50.234 --> 02:49:52.234
from the standpoint of finances

02:49:52.500 --> 02:49:54.500
of policy and almost every other

02:49:56.310 --> 02:49:58.609
good criterion I can think of.
In other words, as the mayor has

02:50:00.734 --> 02:50:02.734
said on other occasions, this

02:50:03.470 --> 02:50:05.470
represents a c change in how

02:50:05.109 --> 02:50:06.547
we're dealing with this kind of
situation.

02:50:08.688 --> 02:50:10.688
And I say, it is not only a seat

02:50:11.780 --> 02:50:12.516
change, it is more like a
tsunami.

02:50:13.922 --> 02:50:16.516
In other words, what we're doing
here, if you decide to go ahead

02:50:17.688 --> 02:50:19.688
with this thing as it is

02:50:20.620 --> 02:50:22.500
currently being proposed is to
absolutely put the city in a

02:50:23.656 --> 02:50:26.438
kind of a mortgage position,
which I would think on the face

02:50:29.310 --> 02:50:31.844
of it is about untenable.
Mortgaging the amounts of money

02:50:32.780 --> 02:50:34.780
we get from the federal

02:50:34.844 --> 02:50:37.781
government for one thing is just
outrageous in terms of what we

02:50:40.547 --> 02:50:43.422
are looking at down the road 10
years, 20 years, of encapturing

02:50:45.391 --> 02:50:48.250
these funds for this project,
which in effect is only a

02:50:48.391 --> 02:50:50.984
possibility that it will
generate the kinds of income

02:50:51.766 --> 02:50:53.766
that are being talked about.

02:50:55.562 --> 02:50:57.562
And I would submit to you that

02:50:58.891 --> 02:51:00.891
the kinds of benefits that are

02:51:01.906 --> 02:51:04.109
supposed to derive from this are
simply not spelled out.

02:51:04.109 --> 02:51:06.109
They can't be.

02:51:06.766 --> 02:51:08.766
all that can be spelled out are

02:51:09.172 --> 02:51:11.172
the obligations we are putting

02:51:12.375 --> 02:51:14.375
the city under in terms of its

02:51:14.406 --> 02:51:16.406
own budget, of the money that

02:51:16.547 --> 02:51:18.547
presumably will be coming down

02:51:19.656 --> 02:51:21.656
year by year from the feds and

02:51:21.812 --> 02:51:23.812
also in terms of possibilities

02:51:25.656 --> 02:51:27.656
from housing finance agency.

02:51:27.953 --> 02:51:30.328
The most sad thing about it, I
think is the fact that the

02:51:33.172 --> 02:51:35.625
developer is putting up nothing.
In other words, what has

02:51:35.766 --> 02:51:37.766
happened here is that in other

02:51:38.141 --> 02:51:40.141
words to get a developer in,

02:51:42.406 --> 02:51:44.406
apparently, the city has to make

02:51:45.172 --> 02:51:47.844
these astronomical commitments
over huge amounts of time.

02:51:49.141 --> 02:51:51.141
I mean, the whole thing is

02:51:51.344 --> 02:51:53.344
really unprecedented.

02:51:54.547 --> 02:51:56.547
I can't imagine that any city

02:51:57.250 --> 02:51:59.656
council member here when you
think through what you would be

02:51:59.656 --> 02:52:02.531
putting the city under with
respect upon to future

02:52:04.188 --> 02:52:06.188
expenditures in the area of

02:52:07.594 --> 02:52:09.594
housing, we just passed a

02:52:09.875 --> 02:52:12.766
consolidated plan, which depends
upon financing.

02:52:14.312 --> 02:52:16.312
And yet, this proposal,

02:52:17.172 --> 02:52:19.172
absolutely cuts the rug out from

02:52:19.844 --> 02:52:21.844
under the possibilities that

02:52:24.160 --> 02:52:25.375
might be under the consolidated
plan.

02:52:26.312 --> 02:52:28.781
As I said earlier, these two
things simply don't mesh.

02:52:30.359 --> 02:52:32.359
For the city to go down this

02:52:33.250 --> 02:52:35.250
road with its eyes open or shut

02:52:36.453 --> 02:52:38.453
as the case May be, to fund this

02:52:39.620 --> 02:52:41.359
kind of a project seems to me
just about outrageous.

02:52:42.828 --> 02:52:44.828
I have lived in this town for 50

02:52:45.766 --> 02:52:47.766
years [Beep] And I have been

02:52:48.609 --> 02:52:51.266
involved in -- 
>> I'll submit further comments
in writing.

02:52:51.344 --> 02:52:53.344
>> thank you.

02:52:53.781 --> 02:52:55.406
>> that is what you got, my
centimes.

02:52:55.906 --> 02:52:57.906
Thanks for listening.

02:53:01.750 --> 02:53:03.750
>> you're welcome.

02:53:05.470 --> 02:53:07.891
>> require firman.
Thank you Councilwoman Catotti.

02:53:08.359 --> 02:53:10.266
i appreciate that.
That felt like a bone.

02:53:12.310 --> 02:53:14.156
A lot of people in this room
feel like they need a bone right

02:53:14.156 --> 02:53:17.125
now.
You can't take a study to the
bank.

02:53:17.406 --> 02:53:19.875
That is no guarantee of
anything.
What I know is that the

02:53:22.703 --> 02:53:24.703
animalses that are -- the

02:53:25.641 --> 02:53:28.109
agencies that are receiving cdbg
dollars in this community that

02:53:28.906 --> 02:53:30.906
won't pay the bills or continue

02:53:31.641 --> 02:53:34.484
the services being provided.
I'm not going to be too excited,

02:53:35.281 --> 02:53:36.891
but I appreciate the thought
behind that.

02:53:37.656 --> 02:53:39.922
What I would say in
fund-raising, one of the things

02:53:43.797 --> 02:53:46.562
you do is create a sense of
urgency
urgency.
Not tomorrow or later, you want

02:53:47.422 --> 02:53:49.766
people to do it now.
I have to commend the people for

02:53:50.703 --> 02:53:52.703
creating a huge sense of urgency

02:53:53.940 --> 02:53:55.000
around this funding proposal.
Surprising me we're talking

02:53:55.266 --> 02:53:58.780
about making a decision to
affect 10 to 20 years of funding

02:53:58.781 --> 02:54:00.781
and we're moving forward so

02:54:01.109 --> 02:54:03.844
quickly that in my mind the
public hasn't even had ample

02:54:04.375 --> 02:54:06.406
opportunity to grasp the
consequences of this decision.

02:54:07.656 --> 02:54:09.984
I ask you, please, answer the
questions that are floating out

02:54:13.516 --> 02:54:15.516
in price that have been asked

02:54:15.891 --> 02:54:17.953
over and -- space that have been
asked over and over.

02:54:19.000 --> 02:54:21.000
We have heard for a long time we
will get details.

02:54:22.391 --> 02:54:23.859
There are a lot of details yet
determined.

02:54:25.297 --> 02:54:27.531
Put the brakes on, make sure
that the answers are right for

02:54:27.531 --> 02:54:30.500
durham.
Think about the 10 or 20-year

02:54:30.500 --> 02:54:33.172
time period.
how much our world has changed.

02:54:33.672 --> 02:54:36.780
We can't predict what will
happen next week in this kind of

02:54:36.203 --> 02:54:39.141
environment in this economy.
We can't predict next year.

02:54:39.578 --> 02:54:42.250
We're talking about 10 or 20
years of funding.

02:54:43.453 --> 02:54:45.453
20 years ago we didn't use

02:54:47.594 --> 02:54:50.156
e-mail, didn't have an internet.
President Bush we were

02:54:50.625 --> 02:54:52.422
complaining about was a
different President Bush.

02:54:53.188 --> 02:54:55.188
I ask you to think about the

02:54:55.422 --> 02:54:58.266
gravity of 10 or 20 years means
and how much -- how we lose that

02:54:58.328 --> 02:55:00.328
impact over time.

02:55:00.906 --> 02:55:02.906
I did have a conversation with

02:55:05.375 --> 02:55:06.906
gary dimmic that conducts hud's
greensboro office.

02:55:08.375 --> 02:55:10.375
He said it is unusual to use

02:55:12.641 --> 02:55:15.578
home owny in the way we're -- 
home money in the way we pran to

02:55:16.453 --> 02:55:19.219
in this plan.
It is unordinary and surprised

02:55:20.188 --> 02:55:21.516
at how fast it is coming to a
vote.

02:55:22.688 --> 02:55:25.562
He highlighted a couple of
realities that have come up.

02:55:26.156 --> 02:55:28.125
Cdbg and home allocation levels
can change over time.

02:55:30.125 --> 02:55:31.969
If we have a fiscally
conservative President Come in

02:55:32.500 --> 02:55:34.500
that wants to deal with the

02:55:34.938 --> 02:55:37.672
debt, we could be nidifficult
position where durham could be

02:55:37.734 --> 02:55:40.000
holding the bag.
We could default on this

02:55:40.000 --> 02:55:42.780
project.
I don't think anyone wants to do

02:55:42.780 --> 02:55:44.780
that.

02:55:44.438 --> 02:55:47.160
One thing I do want to bring up
is over the past several months

02:55:49.344 --> 02:55:51.453
we have built more of an open
relationship with the department

02:55:51.688 --> 02:55:53.688
of community development.

02:55:55.484 --> 02:55:58.156
we have asked for the impact of
rolling hills south side

02:55:58.594 --> 02:56:00.594
development since mid-January.

02:56:00.797 --> 02:56:03.620
We were never -- this came out
and was available last week.

02:56:04.656 --> 02:56:07.469
We did not have time to mobilize
constituents, volunteers to give

02:56:07.938 --> 02:56:09.328
their input into what will
happen.

02:56:10.406 --> 02:56:12.406
[Beep] Please do not finance

02:56:13.203 --> 02:56:15.203
this project on the back of our

02:56:15.781 --> 02:56:17.172
hopeless, poor and hungry.
Please.

02:56:23.160 --> 02:56:25.160
>> thank you.

02:56:25.391 --> 02:56:27.391
>> Mr. Mayor, city council

02:56:28.781 --> 02:56:30.781
members, I am cathy pliel.

02:56:30.859 --> 02:56:33.766
I attend, serving homeless
families with children.

02:56:36.297 --> 02:56:38.297
i oppose the proposal to use 20

02:56:38.797 --> 02:56:40.797
years of cdbg money to fund

02:56:42.641 --> 02:56:44.641
rolling hills.

02:56:46.766 --> 02:56:49.734
It allows us to provide
extensive case management to our

02:56:52.172 --> 02:56:54.438
guests to get employment and
long-term housing.

02:56:54.875 --> 02:56:56.875
we feel strongly about the

02:56:58.160 --> 02:57:00.160
benefit of the ongoing case

02:57:00.953 --> 02:57:02.953
management that we applied for a

02:57:03.470 --> 02:57:05.828
grant to provide follow-up, case
management for a year after

02:57:07.188 --> 02:57:10.620
families graduate from ihs.
The food shelter for our

02:57:12.234 --> 02:57:14.656
families are provided by the
generosity of 30 congregations

02:57:15.531 --> 02:57:17.531
in durham that participate.

02:57:19.000 --> 02:57:21.000
If our cdbg money goes away in

02:57:24.906 --> 02:57:27.312
2011-12 we would be unable to
retain our case manager which

02:57:27.609 --> 02:57:30.609
would reduce the probably of
parents getting jobs, housing or

02:57:31.547 --> 02:57:32.844
staying in housing once they get
in.

02:57:34.780 --> 02:57:36.780
>> I not only oppose the rolling

02:57:36.891 --> 02:57:38.891
hills funding proposal on behalf

02:57:39.422 --> 02:57:41.422
of ihn and families of our

02:57:41.625 --> 02:57:44.625
families of the future and all
the homeless community in
durham.

02:57:46.625 --> 02:57:48.625
We had 26% increase in

02:57:48.859 --> 02:57:50.859
homelessness from 2009 to 2010

02:57:50.906 --> 02:57:52.906
and 50% increase in families.

02:57:53.297 --> 02:57:55.297
And everyone seems to agree that

02:57:55.469 --> 02:57:57.469
major work needs to be done to

02:57:57.609 --> 02:57:59.609
address the issue.

02:57:59.844 --> 02:58:01.781
And there is an economic
environment and probably due to

02:58:02.141 --> 02:58:04.750
the 10-year plan.
Now is not the time to take

02:58:04.984 --> 02:58:06.781
money from our ability to
address this.

02:58:09.470 --> 02:58:11.547
As is mentioned earlier by umd,
we have excellent collaboration

02:58:12.250 --> 02:58:14.625
among the providers who work
with the homeless population and

02:58:15.391 --> 02:58:17.359
we are passionate about
improving the situation.

02:58:17.922 --> 02:58:19.922
i would request that you find

02:58:21.125 --> 02:58:23.125
another way to fund rolling

02:58:25.469 --> 02:58:27.469
hells and send money toward the

02:58:27.797 --> 02:58:30.469
best collaborative efforts to
improve in durham.
>> thank you.

02:58:41.312 --> 02:58:43.188
>> you're welcome.
>> she's gone.

02:58:43.516 --> 02:58:45.516
>> mayor bell, city council

02:58:47.781 --> 02:58:49.625
thank you for the opportunity to
speak.

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This proposal is implemented as
written, tell have an impact on

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the people of durham and your
constituent, we need to remember
them.

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Tell severely limit funding to

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area nonprofit agencies that

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provide needed services and
affordable housing.

02:59:09.375 --> 02:59:12.141
By limiting allocation to
nonprofits to build or rehab

02:59:13.406 --> 02:59:16.188
affordable housing, it is a
leveraging tool that the

02:59:16.484 --> 02:59:18.484
nonprofits use in that the city

02:59:18.516 --> 02:59:20.922
is supporting a project then
their application to north

02:59:21.781 --> 02:59:23.781
carolina housing finance or hud

02:59:24.422 --> 02:59:26.422
is looked at in a better light.

02:59:26.500 --> 02:59:28.500
Because they say the city's

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investing in it as well, it must
be a good project.

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It May not only lose your
dollars but other dollars that

02:59:37.000 --> 02:59:39.406
can be leveraged with your money
as well.

02:59:39.734 --> 02:59:41.734
limiting cdbg and home funding

02:59:42.312 --> 02:59:44.312
for five to 10 years or 20 years

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in some cases May cause agencies

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to abandon programs for lack of
funding.

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You can say we should look at
other sources of funding.

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The climate is difficult since
the recession.

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You know that from your own
budget.

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foundations lost money and

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they're granting less moneys.

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Individual donors lost money and
giving less.

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Fund-raising activities are not

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as well attended.

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Dahc asked mortgage lenders to
finance the program.

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Currently receiving 25% of the
donations received five years

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ago and there is no real hope

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for that amount to go up from
mortgage lenders, many of whom

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have their own problems.

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I'm sure every agency has some
source of funding that just

03:00:36.594 --> 03:00:38.594
since dried up that they

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depended on in the past.

03:00:42.828 --> 03:00:45.438
for our housing council program,
for example, we provide

03:00:45.703 --> 03:00:47.703
foreclosure met mitigation of

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the people that come to our
counselors for foreclosure

03:00:52.375 --> 03:00:54.375
mitigation, 75% of the

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foreclosures are prevented.
That is good for the individual

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person able to keep their moment
home.
It is good for the neighborhood

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and the city of durham.
It is a ripple effect.

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I want you to consider these
things.

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It doesn't make sense to end a

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productive program that an
agency might provide to have a

03:01:20.469 --> 03:01:22.469
housing revitalization in just

03:01:23.641 --> 03:01:25.641
one neighborhood in the city.

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And perhaps as Mr. Jarvis said,
the whole city will benefit,

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that is something none of us
really know at this point.

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City staff has mentioned working

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on a plan for funding for

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nonprofit agencies without cdbg

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funds and trying to find funding

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from other sources many other
avenues [Beep] The city could

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take.
We hope that that plan will be

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done and will be presented this
summer sometime.
[Beep].

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>> thank you.

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>> john brison.

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>> I am john bryson, the

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immediate past President Of land
dclt.
I still serve on the committee.

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Because of the short winder
available to prepare an official

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statement from the board, I

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would like to offer the
following comment that reflect

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the sentiment of many board
member s.

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we ask that you consider the

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approval of the rolling hills

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project until an alternate
source can be found.

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We ask that you vote for rolling

03:02:38.438 --> 03:02:40.438
hills to raise taxes by at least

03:02:40.484 --> 03:02:42.609
one-half cent and create a
dedicated source of funding to

03:02:43.156 --> 03:02:45.156
continue the many housing

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efforts that will be ended if
federal dollars are diverted to

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rolling hills and not replaced.

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As you know, for more than 20
years dclt has been creating

03:02:57.828 --> 03:03:00.203
affordable housing in the
southwest central durham area.

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We're one of the many nonprofit
groups that have to eliminate

03:03:04.469 --> 03:03:07.172
most of the housing starts for
low-income residents because the

03:03:07.406 --> 03:03:09.406
critical federal dollars we need

03:03:10.281 --> 03:03:12.281
for land acquisition would no

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longer be available.

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Dclt supports rolling hills.
The board member has been

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serving on the advisory group
for rolling hills, however

03:03:21.688 --> 03:03:23.688
rolling hills should be a

03:03:24.940 --> 03:03:26.940
project that expands the housing

03:03:26.328 --> 03:03:28.328
amount in durham not a project

03:03:29.391 --> 03:03:31.391
that sucks the life blood from

03:03:31.469 --> 03:03:34.297
groups and initiatives.
Durham has a strong track record

03:03:35.938 --> 03:03:38.234
of financing practicals yet
continuing the benefits of the

03:03:38.297 --> 03:03:39.734
existing organizations and
projects.

03:03:40.766 --> 03:03:42.766
When the city created a new

03:03:44.641 --> 03:03:47.141
ballpark, it did not cease the
support of the old ballpark.

03:03:48.484 --> 03:03:50.484
When the city created the dpac,

03:03:50.656 --> 03:03:52.656
it did not displace funding from

03:03:53.250 --> 03:03:55.719
the carolina theater or civic
center or many downtown

03:03:56.688 --> 03:03:59.625
buildings that also serve
durham's citizens.

03:04:00.391 --> 03:04:02.391
Some contrast, rolling hills

03:04:03.656 --> 03:04:05.656
will not get new city funding

03:04:06.797 --> 03:04:08.797
but rather, will use existing

03:04:09.375 --> 03:04:11.375
federal dollars, thus

03:04:15.172 --> 03:04:17.703
terminating services elsewhere
in durham.

03:04:19.609 --> 03:04:21.609
The aims are targeted toward

03:04:23.375 --> 03:04:25.984
housing needs of currently
low-income durham residents.

03:04:28.156 --> 03:04:30.828
the housing is created for fewer
units to continue to be used as

03:04:31.391 --> 03:04:33.391
it is now.

03:04:33.656 --> 03:04:35.656
Durham's low-income residents

03:04:37.469 --> 03:04:39.469
would get less and not from the
project.

03:04:42.940 --> 03:04:44.297
The existing nonprofits are
leverages affordable dollars to

03:04:45.172 --> 03:04:47.844
the benefit from each federal
dollars in our way.

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we cannot do this without the
federal funds.

03:04:53.470 --> 03:04:55.470
It is no solution to say the

03:04:55.641 --> 03:04:57.470
city staff will have foundation
grants.

03:04:57.844 --> 03:04:59.844
We have solved those for years.

03:05:00.156 --> 03:05:02.422
We get assistance from other
sources.

03:05:02.984 --> 03:05:04.922
That is why we bring other
dollars to the projects.

03:05:05.719 --> 03:05:07.719
However the grants are not

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sufficient [Beep] To replace the
critical federal funding that

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will be given to rolling hills.
>> philip azar.

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>> mayor bell, mayor pro tem,
city council members, rather

03:05:21.000 --> 03:05:23.203
than read my letter into this
evening, I will give it to the

03:05:23.203 --> 03:05:25.203
clerk.

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I would like to mention a few
points.

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I work for habitat, but this is

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not about habitat or any of the
potential subrecipients that May

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be affected.
As the young citizen mentioned,

03:05:36.656 --> 03:05:38.656
this is about services and
people affected.

03:05:39.625 --> 03:05:41.625
Thus far, the slides the city

03:05:42.688 --> 03:05:44.688
has put up are cold and clinical

03:05:48.203 --> 03:05:50.531
and only show zeros going out
showing the effect of dollars on

03:05:50.969 --> 03:05:52.969
this project and no effort has

03:05:55.703 --> 03:05:58.578
been made to show the effect on
people and services.

03:05:58.609 --> 03:06:00.672
Second remark that other
neighborhoods have received

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funding in the past years and it

03:06:04.609 --> 03:06:06.484
is time for rolling hills to get
cdbg funds.

03:06:08.516 --> 03:06:10.516
A lot of money has already been

03:06:10.547 --> 03:06:12.547
spent in rolling hills in

03:06:12.625 --> 03:06:14.625
acquisition and relocation.

03:06:15.422 --> 03:06:18.620
Other areas other communities,
other populations should not

03:06:19.500 --> 03:06:22.297
suffer because the city has
chosen a path that while very

03:06:24.940 --> 03:06:26.940
good and very valid in many ways

03:06:26.828 --> 03:06:29.703
has long gestation period.
That project and that long

03:06:30.344 --> 03:06:32.344
gestation period needs to ride

03:06:34.875 --> 03:06:37.750
on its own merits.
Third, key assumptions were made

03:06:38.516 --> 03:06:41.516
when this developer was
selected, both in terms of the

03:06:43.953 --> 03:06:45.953
equity they would bring and the

03:06:46.470 --> 03:06:48.470
market for real estate credits.

03:06:49.328 --> 03:06:52.188
Those assumptions have changed.
their key assumptions and it

03:06:53.188 --> 03:06:55.188
requires stepping back and

03:06:55.766 --> 03:06:57.891
considering is another developer
appropriate or another time

03:06:58.172 --> 03:07:00.172
period when the markets are

03:07:01.141 --> 03:07:03.141
better to proceed with this

03:07:03.375 --> 03:07:05.375
project.

03:07:05.500 --> 03:07:07.500
Finally, clearly alternative

03:07:08.109 --> 03:07:10.938
funding needs to be found so we
can find a way to grow the

03:07:10.938 --> 03:07:13.344
housing pie.
despite the measure that was put

03:07:14.578 --> 03:07:16.578
forward earlier today, frankly,

03:07:16.750 --> 03:07:18.750
I think rolling hills is such an

03:07:18.922 --> 03:07:20.922
important project and uniquely

03:07:21.562 --> 03:07:23.562
durham that durham funds should

03:07:24.125 --> 03:07:26.125
be spent to represent our values

03:07:26.297 --> 03:07:27.688
and our commitment to that
community.

03:07:30.234 --> 03:07:32.531
Thank you very much for your
consideration.
>> you're welcome.

03:07:37.703 --> 03:07:40.406
>> donovan drake.
>> Mr. Mayor council members,

03:07:43.250 --> 03:07:45.547
I'm the advocate of the
community children and I'm on

03:07:46.516 --> 03:07:48.516
the board for housing for new

03:07:51.219 --> 03:07:54.160
hope is because of a man named
alfonso williams who showed me

03:07:54.188 --> 03:07:56.922
some information about
salvation.
There was a story about being

03:07:58.688 --> 03:08:00.125
dead and alive and homeless to
homeowner.

03:08:01.531 --> 03:08:03.310
More than that, he was a
humanitarian.

03:08:04.000 --> 03:08:06.000
This amazing man took a guy like

03:08:07.141 --> 03:08:09.969
me and showed me how valuable
people are that there are

03:08:10.938 --> 03:08:12.938
treasures hidden in this world

03:08:13.844 --> 03:08:16.203
and hidden sometimes in the
woods and under bridges.

03:08:17.781 --> 03:08:20.609
All we need to do is dust them
off.
Once they're held up to the

03:08:21.641 --> 03:08:23.641
light, they shine.

03:08:24.812 --> 03:08:26.812
After alfonso's death from

03:08:27.470 --> 03:08:29.470
cancer, my conjugation have

03:08:29.453 --> 03:08:31.984
taken special interest in the
apartments built in memory of

03:08:31.984 --> 03:08:33.984
this man.

03:08:35.734 --> 03:08:38.656
held fund-raisers, helped with
landscaping and provided room

03:08:38.797 --> 03:08:40.734
furnishings for the members of
the apartments.

03:08:42.375 --> 03:08:44.969
A way of continuing his story.
24 people with disabling

03:08:44.969 --> 03:08:47.780
conditions on the street will
have a place to dau home.

03:08:48.780 --> 03:08:51.470
Right now, there is a woman who
has been evicted from multiple

03:08:52.312 --> 03:08:54.312
apartments over the last decade,

03:08:54.484 --> 03:08:55.875
mostly due to her active
addition.

03:08:57.578 --> 03:09:00.344
She's been in housing for new
hope's did you have program,

03:09:01.940 --> 03:09:04.160
working a program of recovery
from homelessness and addiction

03:09:05.156 --> 03:09:07.156
for the past year while holding

03:09:07.266 --> 03:09:09.266
a steady job and a modest income

03:09:09.297 --> 03:09:11.297
as a housekeeper.

03:09:11.859 --> 03:09:13.859
Soon she will graduate from the

03:09:14.672 --> 03:09:16.672
did you have house and move into

03:09:18.141 --> 03:09:20.297
into -- dove house and this is
what it is all about.

03:09:20.938 --> 03:09:23.734
We have no way of helping
someone move from addiction to
recovery.

03:09:24.516 --> 03:09:27.281
We have no way of helping
everyone who comes knocking on

03:09:31.780 --> 03:09:33.484
our doors seeking help
thankfully we don't have to.

03:09:34.156 --> 03:09:35.547
This city cares true the home
dollars.

03:09:36.281 --> 03:09:38.719
the home dollars leverage other
dollars, they also leverage

03:09:40.562 --> 03:09:43.562
other support like ours from our
congregation.
My hope is that the city will

03:09:45.531 --> 03:09:47.531
continue to be a partner to

03:09:47.797 --> 03:09:49.797
people who need a little food,

03:09:49.828 --> 03:09:51.562
need some shelter, need a place
called home.

03:09:53.375 --> 03:09:55.969
We need a little hope and some
life.
Thank you very much.

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>> you're welcome.
>> terry.

03:10:00.375 --> 03:10:02.875
>> executive director of housing
for new hope.

03:10:03.516 --> 03:10:05.516
I speak to urge you to say no to

03:10:05.844 --> 03:10:07.844
the financing plan you have been

03:10:08.422 --> 03:10:10.422
presented with and send it back

03:10:10.859 --> 03:10:12.859
to staff for one that makes

03:10:12.953 --> 03:10:14.984
better chance for all of
durham's citizens.

03:10:15.688 --> 03:10:17.688
I say that with the obligation

03:10:19.125 --> 03:10:21.125
this there is no obligation to

03:10:21.266 --> 03:10:23.266
fund housing for new hope or any

03:10:24.141 --> 03:10:26.141
of the others.

03:10:27.875 --> 03:10:29.875
We're an int-meadiary to help

03:10:29.906 --> 03:10:32.160
make for the citizens of durham
that need our help.

03:10:32.938 --> 03:10:34.938
The best way to make that point

03:10:35.609 --> 03:10:37.609
is let you know what we did with

03:10:38.141 --> 03:10:40.141
the cdbg funds we receive from

03:10:41.891 --> 03:10:43.922
2004 to 2008 to help fund the
phoenix and dove transitional

03:10:43.922 --> 03:10:46.562
houses.
With that we served 127 people

03:10:46.719 --> 03:10:48.719
during that time.

03:10:49.125 --> 03:10:51.125
Men and women who came to us

03:10:51.625 --> 03:10:53.625
100% of them were homeless.

03:10:54.891 --> 03:10:56.234
100% of them were in active arc
dic.

03:10:57.000 --> 03:10:59.141
Some with as little as two weeks
recovery time.

03:11:01.234 --> 03:11:03.234
0% of them had any employment.

03:11:07.906 --> 03:11:09.906
Many of the women near 50% of

03:11:10.875 --> 03:11:13.547
them suffered from trauma from
violence to sexual abuse.

03:11:14.422 --> 03:11:16.422
Number of them had co-occurring

03:11:21.484 --> 03:11:23.484
mental illness as well.

03:11:24.562 --> 03:11:27.562
>> the name was on a lease,
their particular name was on a

03:11:28.940 --> 03:11:30.203
lease, which helped them give
security for the future.

03:11:31.310 --> 03:11:33.310
Some of the folks including ryan

03:11:34.141 --> 03:11:36.141
who secured a job in

03:11:37.703 --> 03:11:39.703
construction he is still work

03:11:40.000 --> 03:11:42.703
there, now he's a foreman,
reunited with his child and

03:11:43.203 --> 03:11:45.203
child's mother and a daily dad.

03:11:45.953 --> 03:11:48.516
This is a man who spent numerous
years in prison before coming to

03:11:48.516 --> 03:11:51.422
us.
Included michael living in the

03:11:51.781 --> 03:11:54.160
woods near ninth street, living
in a tent there.

03:11:54.688 --> 03:11:57.656
He came into the phoenix house
during the four years, he repair

03:12:00.531 --> 03:12:02.531
repaired his credit, saved his

03:12:03.203 --> 03:12:05.203
money and moved out into

03:12:05.828 --> 03:12:07.828
permanent surviving housing and

03:12:08.875 --> 03:12:10.297
became a habitat for humanity
homeowner.

03:12:11.641 --> 03:12:13.672
Philip, who I saw the other day
at brewingers.

03:12:14.470 --> 03:12:16.469
He was working construction the
last I had seen him two years

03:12:16.469 --> 03:12:18.469
ago.

03:12:18.844 --> 03:12:20.641
He was now a foreman and no
longer working construction he

03:12:21.688 --> 03:12:24.250
has a job where he's earning
enough money that he's in the

03:12:24.516 --> 03:12:26.516
process of buying a house.

03:12:26.594 --> 03:12:28.594
He works for the city of durham.

03:12:28.922 --> 03:12:31.250
These are your true partners.
These are the partners that over

03:12:32.620 --> 03:12:34.453
the next 20 years you will limit
your option to be able to help

03:12:35.266 --> 03:12:37.266
them and have the outcomes that

03:12:38.391 --> 03:12:40.391
we want for all of the city of

03:12:40.406 --> 03:12:42.620
durham
durham.

03:12:43.310 --> 03:12:45.797
i hope you will pause and take
time to rethink the funding plan

03:12:45.812 --> 03:12:47.500
as presented.
Thank you.

03:12:48.703 --> 03:12:50.703
>> you're welcome.

03:12:52.250 --> 03:12:54.250
Larry hester.
>> good evening.

03:12:57.750 --> 03:12:59.750
My name is larry hester.

03:13:00.484 --> 03:13:02.484
I am here with several concerns.

03:13:04.922 --> 03:13:06.922
i don't think I will take my

03:13:07.891 --> 03:13:09.891
three minutes.

03:13:10.310 --> 03:13:12.438
We have concerns about the
financing concerns.

03:13:14.000 --> 03:13:16.000
We have met with homeowners that

03:13:16.641 --> 03:13:19.141
have property in the area.
Much of the federal -- one of

03:13:20.500 --> 03:13:22.547
the concerns is much of the
federal allocation as people

03:13:23.234 --> 03:13:25.641
have said before will be used
for this one development for the

03:13:28.219 --> 03:13:30.219
income 20 years or so.

03:13:32.516 --> 03:13:34.516
Nonprofits who are here tonight

03:13:34.656 --> 03:13:36.656
want their usual share of

03:13:36.859 --> 03:13:38.625
housing monies, you can't blame
them for that.

03:13:40.188 --> 03:13:42.188
They have been doing a good job.

03:13:42.766 --> 03:13:45.000
But we don't see any funds
earmarked for the people that

03:13:46.620 --> 03:13:49.000
live, own proper and pay taxes
in the area being developed.

03:13:50.609 --> 03:13:53.406
There is nothing that existing
homeowners will receive to

03:13:54.375 --> 03:13:56.969
rehabil state their property and
participate in the upswing

03:13:57.781 --> 03:13:59.781
planned for the area.

03:14:01.641 --> 03:14:04.609
Everything is going to those two
developers.
there are no opportunities that

03:14:06.219 --> 03:14:08.891
we can determine or that have
been explained for

03:14:08.891 --> 03:14:10.891
african-american small

03:14:11.516 --> 03:14:13.859
businesses, developers,
contractors, on the front end of

03:14:16.188 --> 03:14:19.125
the financing to build capacity.
As we have seen from the
nonprofits tonight.

03:14:21.940 --> 03:14:23.940
There is a need for capacity in

03:14:27.375 --> 03:14:28.875
our community also.
Internet

03:14:31.547 --> 03:14:33.703
internet domain is still on the
table as a main concern.

03:14:34.641 --> 03:14:36.641
We suggest that the city declare

03:14:38.470 --> 03:14:40.688
the area as a rehabilitation
area that will remove the threat

03:14:43.156 --> 03:14:46.620
of eminent domain once and for
all.
we know in durham there is a

03:14:51.620 --> 03:14:53.594
wealth disparity.
African-americans have -- I'm
sorry.

03:14:55.406 --> 03:14:57.406
Their wealth position is $4,000

03:14:59.375 --> 03:15:02.141
when anglo-saxon americans or
caucasians have a wealth

03:15:04.734 --> 03:15:06.516
position of about $44,000, which
is tenfold.

03:15:07.781 --> 03:15:09.781
I don't think this is the time
that people that own property

03:15:11.470 --> 03:15:14.470
should lose their property.
We recommend that the council

03:15:14.656 --> 03:15:16.656
identify funds first for

03:15:17.625 --> 03:15:19.625
property owners who wish to

03:15:19.984 --> 03:15:22.594
remain in the area and improve
their properties before

03:15:23.719 --> 03:15:25.156
earmarking any funds for the
developers.

03:15:27.203 --> 03:15:29.203
that the developers commit to

03:15:29.469 --> 03:15:31.500
40% of the african-american
participation in all phases of

03:15:31.500 --> 03:15:33.500
the development.

03:15:33.938 --> 03:15:36.531
This is an african-american
community and has been here

03:15:40.641 --> 03:15:43.203
since durham has been here.
Whose citizens should benefit

03:15:43.844 --> 03:15:45.844
economically from the use of

03:15:46.160 --> 03:15:48.160
their own tax dollars.

03:15:49.470 --> 03:15:51.219
without these provisions, it is
obvious who pays and who

03:15:51.219 --> 03:15:53.219
benefits.

03:15:53.828 --> 03:15:55.828
Thank you.

03:15:56.719 --> 03:15:58.719
>> you're welcome.

03:16:01.203 --> 03:16:03.940
>> patrice [Inaudible] Patrice
nelson.

03:16:05.969 --> 03:16:07.375
Ray erquad, jill parker, denise
hester.

03:16:08.500 --> 03:16:10.969
>> good evening, I'm patrice
nelson, executive director of

03:16:12.109 --> 03:16:14.109
urban ministries of durham.

03:16:14.938 --> 03:16:17.375
A while ago, one of our board
members used the line at the end

03:16:20.641 --> 03:16:22.641
of her statement, a continuum of

03:16:23.312 --> 03:16:25.547
community care means a continuum
of community funding.

03:16:26.750 --> 03:16:29.750
I have been in urban ministries
for the past year and in that

03:16:31.594 --> 03:16:33.594
year, I have been very committed

03:16:34.625 --> 03:16:36.625
to developing the continuum of

03:16:37.531 --> 03:16:40.125
community care and the community
funding, we have worked really

03:16:41.940 --> 03:16:43.500
hard to get on board with the
10-year plan to try to make

03:16:44.938 --> 03:16:47.609
sense of it, to collaborate, to
figure out how we do a better

03:16:50.160 --> 03:16:52.484
job of preventing housing,
rehousing those that become

03:16:54.470 --> 03:16:56.516
homeless in as little time as
possible and making sure that we

03:16:58.312 --> 03:17:00.312
do whatever we can to make sure

03:17:02.160 --> 03:17:04.940
that those who are chronically
homeless move forward and become

03:17:05.297 --> 03:17:07.297
part of a pathway to stability.

03:17:07.531 --> 03:17:09.531
Tonight at urban ministries

03:17:09.828 --> 03:17:12.297
there are 150 people who are
sleeping in our shelter.

03:17:13.940 --> 03:17:15.594
There were sick people today
served food and clothing from

03:17:15.828 --> 03:17:17.828
our pantry.

03:17:19.766 --> 03:17:21.766
There were over 300 people who

03:17:25.160 --> 03:17:26.547
ate today a total of 600
different meals.

03:17:27.250 --> 03:17:29.250
We're doing all we can to figure

03:17:30.160 --> 03:17:32.160
out how to help durham as a

03:17:33.578 --> 03:17:35.578
growing nunt to have a -- 

03:17:36.828 --> 03:17:38.156
community to have a continuum of
care.

03:17:39.422 --> 03:17:41.422
We work with housing of new hope

03:17:41.953 --> 03:17:43.953
with offices in our shelter so

03:17:44.359 --> 03:17:46.359
this month we will move four

03:17:46.766 --> 03:17:49.469
families on to permanent
housing.
We did three last month.

03:17:51.203 --> 03:17:53.203
working closely with the durham

03:17:55.312 --> 03:17:57.312
center to do assessment, lincoln

03:17:58.984 --> 03:18:01.875
community health, with ihn, with
the entire collaboration, in

03:18:02.719 --> 03:18:04.719
spite of what May or May not

03:18:04.844 --> 03:18:07.391
have happened, the partners are
trying out how to make it work.

03:18:08.688 --> 03:18:10.953
We have the reality of what it
takes to fund our agency.

03:18:12.953 --> 03:18:14.719
when I started we had over
$100,000 deficit.

03:18:15.828 --> 03:18:18.620
We have closed our deficit,
ending this year on balance and

03:18:21.594 --> 03:18:23.469
we have had to cut our budget by
$100,000 approximate year.

03:18:24.328 --> 03:18:27.000
We're trying to figure out how
to make it work.

03:18:28.703 --> 03:18:30.703
73% of the million two it takes

03:18:33.470 --> 03:18:34.578
to run our anxious
gency comes from

03:18:35.109 --> 03:18:37.109
private sources not public.

03:18:37.344 --> 03:18:39.609
Less than 5% of that comes from
the city.

03:18:41.922 --> 03:18:43.984
With the cuts in the cdbg
funding, less than 3% from the

03:18:43.984 --> 03:18:46.953
city.
Last week, I met with our staff

03:18:48.484 --> 03:18:51.328
to figure out how we go about
making our budget for next year.

03:18:52.266 --> 03:18:54.703
looking at closing a gap.
I'm talking to staff members

03:18:55.594 --> 03:18:58.172
with years of experience working
with the homeless.

03:19:01.969 --> 03:19:04.844
They have not had a raise.
27% increases in health care
premiums.

03:19:05.578 --> 03:19:07.578
The staff I talked to said

03:19:07.750 --> 03:19:09.750
instead of us getting a raise

03:19:09.781 --> 03:19:12.641
instead of us figuring out how
to do a better health care

03:19:14.656 --> 03:19:16.922
package, we need more staff
[Beep].
We can't do it.

03:19:16.922 --> 03:19:18.922
>> thank you.

03:19:18.953 --> 03:19:20.953
>> last thing I want to say is

03:19:21.828 --> 03:19:23.828
that there is a commercial that

03:19:25.620 --> 03:19:27.266
says give it to mikey, he will
eat it.

03:19:28.562 --> 03:19:31.940
The urban ministries of durham
nor the rest of the agencies in

03:19:33.297 --> 03:19:35.500
this room can digest all of
durham's homeless and at-risk

03:19:35.500 --> 03:19:37.203
people.
We will not do it.

03:19:38.844 --> 03:19:40.844
>> thank you.

03:19:44.484 --> 03:19:46.484
>> ray irkwaut.

03:19:48.547 --> 03:19:49.953
>> good evening, my name is no
parker.

03:19:53.188 --> 03:19:55.359
i'm here as vice chair of the
rolling hills south side

03:19:55.516 --> 03:19:57.516
steering committee.

03:19:59.562 --> 03:20:02.328
Ray is the other vice chair.
The steering committee has been

03:20:03.594 --> 03:20:06.234
meeting on a regular basis for
the past oh, couple of years.

03:20:06.969 --> 03:20:08.969
We have talked about all of

03:20:10.812 --> 03:20:12.812
these things mentioned tonight.

03:20:13.547 --> 03:20:15.812
We all know the -- what is going
on in south side rolling hills.

03:20:18.750 --> 03:20:20.750
We know that we have vacant land

03:20:21.547 --> 03:20:23.547
over there, boarded up houses,

03:20:24.470 --> 03:20:25.656
vacant houses, especially in the
rolling hills site.

03:20:26.188 --> 03:20:29.160
We know the history of rolling
hills.
We have a team in place now with

03:20:30.328 --> 03:20:32.953
the developers, the city has
been working closely with them.

03:20:33.594 --> 03:20:36.125
We have been working as a
steering committee with them.

03:20:39.672 --> 03:20:42.438
We believe this team will build
the development on the rolling

03:20:42.969 --> 03:20:45.672
hills site that we all will be
proud of.

03:20:48.438 --> 03:20:50.438
As you drive down 147 you will

03:20:50.641 --> 03:20:52.160
see an tractive development
there.

03:20:53.781 --> 03:20:55.922
We had a meeting last week, the
steering committee as we

03:20:57.344 --> 03:20:59.344
received additional information.

03:21:01.656 --> 03:21:04.359
We have eye would say, a lively
somewhat healthy discussion

03:21:05.297 --> 03:21:07.297
about what has been said here

03:21:08.156 --> 03:21:10.156
tonight, the cost per unit, the

03:21:10.938 --> 03:21:12.938
financing structure and especial

03:21:14.203 --> 03:21:16.203
the impact this development will

03:21:18.000 --> 03:21:20.000
have on if you sur services and

03:21:20.641 --> 03:21:22.641
housing that are now being

03:21:23.516 --> 03:21:25.484
provided by local nonprofitses.
Throughout this discussion, at

03:21:27.281 --> 03:21:29.281
the end, we came to a consensus

03:21:30.609 --> 03:21:32.609
and that is that we are

03:21:32.625 --> 03:21:34.625
supporting item 25 and that is

03:21:34.859 --> 03:21:36.859
the application to be submitted

03:21:37.594 --> 03:21:40.422
to the housing finance agency so
this project can go forward.

03:21:42.594 --> 03:21:44.594
In doing so, we made this
recommendation with some

03:21:45.391 --> 03:21:47.391
concerns about the three items I

03:21:48.940 --> 03:21:50.940
mentioned a minute ago.

03:21:50.844 --> 03:21:53.531
Financing, cost, as well as the
impact this development would

03:21:54.672 --> 03:21:57.234
have on other nonprofits that
have done an outstanding job in

03:21:57.234 --> 03:21:59.938
the city of durham.
Again, with that being said, we

03:21:59.938 --> 03:22:02.688
are supporting this.
Thank you.

03:22:02.688 --> 03:22:04.688
>> you're welcome.

03:22:07.781 --> 03:22:09.781
Denise hester.

03:22:12.797 --> 03:22:15.688
>> good evening, denise hester.
This item May be a financing

03:22:16.891 --> 03:22:18.703
plan, but actually it is a much
larger issue.

03:22:19.469 --> 03:22:22.406
I know everybody wants to narrow
it down and move the item and

03:22:23.266 --> 03:22:25.266
vote, but I do want people to

03:22:25.938 --> 03:22:28.312
consider that this is really an
economic justice issue.

03:22:29.500 --> 03:22:31.500
And it is an issue specifically

03:22:32.172 --> 03:22:34.172
about who benefits and who pays.

03:22:35.344 --> 03:22:38.281
It comes up over and over again
in our city.

03:22:41.359 --> 03:22:44.125
why is it that in durham
african-americans have to move

03:22:46.594 --> 03:22:48.594
out and are the means by which

03:22:48.891 --> 03:22:50.891
others succeed but cannot

03:22:51.266 --> 03:22:53.328
participate in the process that
creates wealth?

03:22:53.672 --> 03:22:55.672
Where is the economic justice

03:22:56.234 --> 03:22:58.234
for residents of south side

03:22:59.109 --> 03:23:01.109
which Mr. Jarvis, whose land

03:23:01.531 --> 03:23:03.734
Mr. Jarvis has stated is some of
the most valuable that exists in

03:23:03.734 --> 03:23:05.734
durham.

03:23:06.641 --> 03:23:08.703
He said that on January 12th of
this year at the planning

03:23:09.470 --> 03:23:11.470
commission.

03:23:12.453 --> 03:23:14.453
I have to ask an obvious

03:23:15.250 --> 03:23:17.250
inconsistency, how can a

03:23:18.984 --> 03:23:21.953
property be blight and be some
of the most valuable at the same
time.

03:23:22.422 --> 03:23:24.422
This is the second potential

03:23:24.531 --> 03:23:27.266
large displacement of a
predominantly african-american

03:23:28.969 --> 03:23:30.359
community to create progress for
others.

03:23:34.438 --> 03:23:37.375
Progress where everyone benefits
except those who live there now.

03:23:38.344 --> 03:23:41.160
The unstated assumption is that
these folk will move on.

03:23:42.438 --> 03:23:44.438
Now, I don't care what is said

03:23:44.547 --> 03:23:45.875
publicly to the media and all
that.

03:23:47.160 --> 03:23:49.160
I think we all know in our

03:23:49.312 --> 03:23:51.688
hearts that that is what is up
in south side.

03:23:52.125 --> 03:23:54.719
Rolling hills has already been
decimated.
So where is the economic justice

03:23:57.359 --> 03:23:59.828
for residents of south side?
Where is their piece of the

03:24:01.625 --> 03:24:03.625
action that others are here

03:24:05.500 --> 03:24:08.344
tonight to ask for?
Good deeds, but still the money

03:24:08.469 --> 03:24:10.469
is for others.

03:24:11.906 --> 03:24:13.906
Where are the funds to rehab the

03:24:26.562 --> 03:24:28.562
properties of those who are in

03:24:29.656 --> 03:24:31.922
south side.
No one is saying that the

03:24:31.922 --> 03:24:33.625
neighborhood shouldn't be
rehabbed.

03:24:34.391 --> 03:24:36.766
It is the manner in which it is
done that is suspect.

03:24:39.328 --> 03:24:42.328
We believe it should be declared
a rehabilitation area, which

03:24:45.312 --> 03:24:47.312
creates a win-win situation,

03:24:48.438 --> 03:24:51.470
which people can remain in their
homes, improve their properties

03:24:55.750 --> 03:24:58.160
and not live in the problem of
eminent domain.
Everyone has been silent about

03:24:58.160 --> 03:25:00.160
that.

03:25:00.453 --> 03:25:03.422
We would like it to be a
rehabilitation area and not
redevelopment area.

03:25:04.766 --> 03:25:07.500
We urge the council to declare
the area as such when it comes

03:25:08.234 --> 03:25:09.797
before you again after the
planning commission.

03:25:14.203 --> 03:25:17.000
Thank you.
>> you're welcome.
Dennis booth.

03:25:17.266 --> 03:25:20.172
Sorry.
>> good evening Mr. Mayor,

03:25:20.844 --> 03:25:22.703
members of council, my name is
dennis booth.

03:25:24.953 --> 03:25:26.953
i am a resident of durham.

03:25:29.844 --> 03:25:31.844
And I am legal counsel for

03:25:32.219 --> 03:25:34.953
millers boat.
We provide affordable housing

03:25:35.922 --> 03:25:37.328
and job training to durham
residents.

03:25:38.797 --> 03:25:40.797
I wanted to speak directly how

03:25:41.310 --> 03:25:43.500
we're impacted like many others
who have spoken tonight and

03:25:44.500 --> 03:25:46.500
being able to provide services

03:25:49.844 --> 03:25:51.844
and affordable housing to durham
residents.

03:25:52.672 --> 03:25:55.312
We would like to ensure that
there is strong, serious

03:25:55.609 --> 03:25:57.609
consideration and discussion

03:25:59.344 --> 03:26:02.312
about this selected developer's
capacity to perform as provided

03:26:07.922 --> 03:26:09.922
under this proposal.

03:26:10.922 --> 03:26:12.922
And more particularly, why the

03:26:15.625 --> 03:26:18.469
lead planner for this proposal
was removed.

03:26:18.969 --> 03:26:20.969
The planner which provided some

03:26:21.172 --> 03:26:23.203
of what we is seen tonight, we
heard was removed.

03:26:23.875 --> 03:26:26.780
we would like to hear some
discussion about why that
happened.

03:26:30.470 --> 03:26:32.470
Thank you.

03:26:32.516 --> 03:26:34.516
>> you're welcome.

03:26:34.641 --> 03:26:36.641
Teresa sibel.

03:26:37.219 --> 03:26:38.609
>> I'm on the steering
committee.

03:26:39.625 --> 03:26:41.625
Along with ray and joe.

03:26:43.984 --> 03:26:45.984
I would like to sincerely thank

03:26:46.188 --> 03:26:48.766
council members for the emotion
that is addressing one of the

03:26:49.620 --> 03:26:51.620
concerns that the steering

03:26:52.310 --> 03:26:54.562
committee had which is the
effect on service providers that

03:26:56.234 --> 03:26:58.234
would provide services, we hope

03:26:59.938 --> 03:27:01.938
in the south side neighborhood

03:27:02.609 --> 03:27:04.780
as we move forward with this
redevelopment.

03:27:05.672 --> 03:27:08.516
i want to talk about the housing
subcommittee on which I serve as

03:27:10.344 --> 03:27:13.156
chair for the south side rolling
hills steering committee.

03:27:15.219 --> 03:27:17.219
And we're working under a set of

03:27:17.625 --> 03:27:19.625
principles that the steering

03:27:20.594 --> 03:27:22.594
committee has agreed to

03:27:23.297 --> 03:27:25.297
including a rider for turn for

03:27:26.310 --> 03:27:28.828
people that live in south side
rolling hills or former
resident.

03:27:30.000 --> 03:27:32.000
One is to build housing that is

03:27:32.266 --> 03:27:33.844
affordable so people truly could
return.

03:27:34.844 --> 03:27:36.844
And also to assist the

03:27:37.234 --> 03:27:39.344
homeowners with repairs so they
May remain.

03:27:40.547 --> 03:27:42.547
To include permanently

03:27:42.906 --> 03:27:44.906
affordable homeownership so we

03:27:45.219 --> 03:27:47.750
can have a mixed-income
community where all people can

03:27:48.391 --> 03:27:50.391
live and to create a committee

03:27:50.828 --> 03:27:52.656
that will work with the
developers to decide who will be

03:27:54.422 --> 03:27:56.422
there and come up with designs

03:27:59.000 --> 03:28:01.891
and look at homeownership mic'ed
with rentals, et cetera.

03:28:03.500 --> 03:28:05.703
And we also are working together
on a service plan.

03:28:07.141 --> 03:28:09.141
i have to say that some of our

03:28:09.578 --> 03:28:12.344
concerns are about the cost of
this project, the physical cost

03:28:13.406 --> 03:28:15.406
of this project and how that is

03:28:18.781 --> 03:28:21.516
not just going to impact the
nonprofit groups, the people

03:28:21.719 --> 03:28:24.125
they serve and live in the
community who we are trying to

03:28:26.620 --> 03:28:28.391
serve with the neighborhood
revitalization and affordable
housing.

03:28:29.828 --> 03:28:31.828
Some of the things not funded at

03:28:34.000 --> 03:28:36.000
this point are the services for

03:28:37.500 --> 03:28:39.500
jobs, youth, seniors also

03:28:39.969 --> 03:28:41.969
housing counseling services to

03:28:42.234 --> 03:28:44.641
assist people with budgeting and
credit counseling which we need

03:28:46.672 --> 03:28:48.672
for homeownership but qualify

03:28:48.906 --> 03:28:51.312
for rental housing and the jobs,
the job opportunities which we

03:28:51.984 --> 03:28:53.875
hope will be created for the
people in the community.

03:28:55.750 --> 03:28:57.750
Also what is not funded is

03:29:00.719 --> 03:29:03.422
housing for seniors and disabled
and others with special needs

03:29:04.188 --> 03:29:07.125
that now live in the community.
And we hope that many of the

03:29:07.859 --> 03:29:09.859
groups that you will be working

03:29:10.940 --> 03:29:12.940
with to come up with financing

03:29:12.562 --> 03:29:14.562
will be able to provide that

03:29:15.469 --> 03:29:17.469
housing as well as supportive

03:29:17.547 --> 03:29:20.375
services that will serve the
thousand or so people who live

03:29:22.172 --> 03:29:24.781
in the area now as well as the
people throughout the durham

03:29:25.484 --> 03:29:28.219
community that they serve.
So we appreciate your concern

03:29:29.484 --> 03:29:31.625
and hope you will work with us
and come to our steering

03:29:32.391 --> 03:29:34.688
committee meetings to work with
us to serve this community and

03:29:34.688 --> 03:29:36.688
the city of durham.

03:29:37.620 --> 03:29:40.000
Thank you.
>> you're welcome.

03:29:41.656 --> 03:29:43.620
That concludes all of the
speakers.

03:29:44.940 --> 03:29:46.940
I now come back to the council

03:29:47.266 --> 03:29:49.266
for any comments that council

03:29:49.375 --> 03:29:51.375
members May have.

03:29:51.844 --> 03:29:53.844
just a minute.

03:29:54.234 --> 03:29:56.312
Councilman Ali, commissioner
commissioner woodard,

03:29:56.312 --> 03:29:58.160
commissioner commissioner brown.
That order.

03:29:59.516 --> 03:30:01.922
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor, I would
like to ask the gentlemen from

03:30:03.516 --> 03:30:05.516
the genesis house to come back

03:30:13.891 --> 03:30:15.891
up for a moment.

03:30:16.297 --> 03:30:18.797
You said you had spoken to.
>> gary dimmer.

03:30:19.234 --> 03:30:21.375
>> what did he say about this
practical he said.

03:30:22.203 --> 03:30:24.203
>> it is unusual for home

03:30:25.310 --> 03:30:27.312
funding to be used in this way.
He did think it was legal.

03:30:27.875 --> 03:30:30.578
There are questions about
legality.
He said it was legal.

03:30:32.141 --> 03:30:34.141
and other concerns about how

03:30:36.984 --> 03:30:39.312
fast the vote was coming up and
unpredictability of the

03:30:40.516 --> 03:30:42.516
entitlement and the numbers

03:30:44.484 --> 03:30:46.484
could go down.

03:30:48.297 --> 03:30:50.297
>> >> I think his concern was

03:30:52.620 --> 03:30:54.406
more around originally we
weren't sure if home money could

03:30:54.766 --> 03:30:56.641
be used.
It appropriate.

03:30:58.500 --> 03:31:00.500
But it sounds like the 20-year

03:31:01.781 --> 03:31:03.781
term is common for the 108 loan.

03:31:04.780 --> 03:31:06.172
He can express concerns that it
is not a common arrangement in

03:31:06.875 --> 03:31:08.875
other parts of the state in

03:31:09.875 --> 03:31:12.547
terms of the subrecipient money
disappearing for that length of
time.

03:31:14.281 --> 03:31:17.160
it sounds like other categories
within cdbg are often used to

03:31:17.620 --> 03:31:19.620
pay off the 108.

03:31:19.500 --> 03:31:20.891
>> all right.
Thanks.

03:31:22.359 --> 03:31:24.359
>> recognize Councilwoman

03:31:24.531 --> 03:31:26.625
Catotti, mayor pro tem
Councilman Woodard and brown in

03:31:26.625 --> 03:31:28.938
that order.
>> thank you, mayor I have

03:31:29.234 --> 03:31:31.234
several questions.

03:31:31.906 --> 03:31:33.906
I didn't know if staff was going

03:31:34.312 --> 03:31:36.734
to comment to any of the remarks
made, particularly those that

03:31:39.516 --> 03:31:41.516
might be incorrect?

03:31:46.547 --> 03:31:48.547
>> [Inaudible].

03:31:48.828 --> 03:31:51.719
>> I wasn't referring to those
remarks.
>> ok.

03:31:51.750 --> 03:31:54.391
Please do.
>> a specific.

03:31:54.953 --> 03:31:57.156
>> anything that you heard
that -- well, anyway, keep

03:31:57.156 --> 03:31:59.531
going.
>> larry, please answer that

03:32:00.203 --> 03:32:02.438
question now that you started to
answer it about a conversation

03:32:03.172 --> 03:32:05.766
you had about gary demmic.
>> as a courtesy to the

03:32:06.438 --> 03:32:09.141
department he wanted us to know
he had received a call.

03:32:12.781 --> 03:32:15.453
He indicated that he left -- 
from a note that he would

03:32:16.141 --> 03:32:18.141
discuss the questions with the

03:32:19.953 --> 03:32:21.953
staff to make us aware of them.

03:32:22.422 --> 03:32:24.422
Reviewed the proposal again so

03:32:24.656 --> 03:32:26.797
he was clear on what we were
intending to do.

03:32:28.656 --> 03:32:30.656
And he confirmed that it seems

03:32:30.922 --> 03:32:32.922
reasonable to him, he would

03:32:34.203 --> 03:32:36.359
confirm that there was nothing
prohibitive on the home side

03:32:38.266 --> 03:32:40.266
with borrowing the money in the

03:32:40.297 --> 03:32:42.297
way that we're proposing to do.

03:32:42.703 --> 03:32:44.703
He did remind us again that

03:32:45.780 --> 03:32:47.780
there is no guarantee that the

03:32:47.141 --> 03:32:49.953
entitlements will remain at the
existing level and we indicated

03:32:51.109 --> 03:32:53.109
that we recognize that, that we

03:32:53.422 --> 03:32:55.984
are assuming that risk, but
nothing is guaranteed, the

03:32:57.156 --> 03:32:59.156
entitle ams can go up or down in

03:33:00.562 --> 03:33:02.562
the fiscal, and as long as you

03:33:03.859 --> 03:33:06.203
understand, that is fine.
>> sorry, I didn't mean to

03:33:06.203 --> 03:33:08.203
interrupt there.

03:33:08.766 --> 03:33:10.766
I didn't want you to think that

03:33:11.172 --> 03:33:14.310
I was making comments directed
to brian there.

03:33:15.310 --> 03:33:17.641
Can you comment on -- about the
affordability of the housing

03:33:18.406 --> 03:33:20.406
that is proposed in the area and

03:33:21.844 --> 03:33:24.281
sort of the parameters of tax
credit for anybody that isn't

03:33:24.484 --> 03:33:26.484
familiar with that?

03:33:27.781 --> 03:33:29.781
>> the mixed-income rental

03:33:30.656 --> 03:33:32.828
units, the 119 units, first
phase, 80 of those will be

03:33:32.828 --> 03:33:34.828
affordable.

03:33:35.625 --> 03:33:38.620
They're considered tax-credit
units and affordable for a

03:33:41.562 --> 03:33:43.562
period of 30 years.

03:33:43.734 --> 03:33:46.406
Actually restrictive covenants
recorded to make sure they

03:33:47.141 --> 03:33:49.906
remain affordable for 30 years.
They're monitored not only by

03:33:50.969 --> 03:33:53.906
the housing finance agency to
make sure that the project stays

03:33:56.547 --> 03:33:58.547
in compliance with the I.R.S.

03:33:59.516 --> 03:34:02.484
Rules but because we are using
home dollars to produce these

03:34:04.188 --> 03:34:07.940
units, it also creates a period
of 20 years that the city of

03:34:07.359 --> 03:34:09.984
durham is going to be
responsible for monitoring the

03:34:11.310 --> 03:34:13.310
units to make sure that they

03:34:13.266 --> 03:34:15.266
remain affordable and occupied

03:34:15.766 --> 03:34:17.766
by income-eligible tenants.

03:34:18.594 --> 03:34:20.828
>> diane, I am jumping in.
We take for granted what the

03:34:20.828 --> 03:34:22.828
terms mean.

03:34:23.312 --> 03:34:25.312
You know, millionaires can have

03:34:26.109 --> 03:34:28.781
houses that are affordable.
Maybe we need to define what

03:34:29.406 --> 03:34:31.781
affordable means so the public
will understand what we are

03:34:31.781 --> 03:34:33.344
talking about.
>> ok.

03:34:35.344 --> 03:34:37.344
When we say they must remain

03:34:37.812 --> 03:34:39.812
affordable, the households who

03:34:40.656 --> 03:34:42.656
occupy the units cannot have

03:34:43.562 --> 03:34:45.859
incomes that exceed 60% of the
area median income.

03:34:47.203 --> 03:34:49.203
In your packets, there was a

03:34:50.234 --> 03:34:52.734
chart and I will try to find an
income chart.

03:34:52.734 --> 03:34:54.734
>> it was -- 

03:34:57.344 --> 03:34:59.344
>> it goes 60, 50, 40, 30%, 20%,

03:34:59.875 --> 03:35:01.875
i think eight of the houses have

03:35:02.375 --> 03:35:04.203
to be for homeless veterans or
something like that.

03:35:06.547 --> 03:35:08.516
>> eight of the units must be
affordable to persons with

03:35:09.750 --> 03:35:11.750
special needs with incomes at or

03:35:12.688 --> 03:35:14.688
below 30% of median.

03:35:15.828 --> 03:35:18.562
And for let's say a two.
Person household could have an

03:35:20.859 --> 03:35:22.859
income not exceeding $34,200 a

03:35:24.594 --> 03:35:26.594
year, that is at 60% level.

03:35:29.203 --> 03:35:31.703
Let's then take a one-person
household at 30% that income is

03:35:33.312 --> 03:35:36.234
$15,000 a year.
Basically, when you talk about

03:35:37.641 --> 03:35:39.641
30% of median, that roughly

03:35:41.160 --> 03:35:43.160
equates with ssi income.

03:35:43.188 --> 03:35:45.188
>> it is in the first phase,

03:35:46.312 --> 03:35:48.859
only 33 of the units were market
rate, everything else was below

03:35:50.922 --> 03:35:52.922
market rate in terms of income.

03:35:55.859 --> 03:35:57.859
>> correct.

03:35:58.328 --> 03:36:00.562
>> >> can you also comment on
opportunities for rehab and

03:36:01.620 --> 03:36:03.406
support to existing homeowners
to address the concerns also

03:36:03.406 --> 03:36:04.938
raised.
>> right.

03:36:07.547 --> 03:36:09.938
There are -- we have 45 or 46
homeowners within the boundaries

03:36:11.470 --> 03:36:13.219
of the redevelopment area.
Although potentially some of

03:36:13.641 --> 03:36:15.641
these individuals are eligible

03:36:16.484 --> 03:36:19.422
for our programs as they are
currently configured, there May

03:36:20.516 --> 03:36:22.516
need to be some fine tuning of

03:36:23.859 --> 03:36:26.500
our existing rehab and repair
programs.
We'll be working over that in

03:36:28.620 --> 03:36:30.969
the next few months, such that
as we moved working for example,

03:36:32.625 --> 03:36:35.266
on hillside and chestnut with
homeownership development, we

03:36:36.703 --> 03:36:38.703
are in a position to assist

03:36:38.797 --> 03:36:40.797
existing homeowners that might

03:36:40.906 --> 03:36:43.578
live on those streets and
realistically, it May be that?

03:36:45.875 --> 03:36:48.781
Some instances it is more
cost-effective to provide

03:36:50.188 --> 03:36:53.188
assistance for existing
homeowners to buy a new unit

03:36:54.984 --> 03:36:57.453
that is being developed by
self-help or land trust or

03:36:59.219 --> 03:37:02.310
whoever as opposed to trying to
rehab the house they're in now

03:37:03.000 --> 03:37:04.969
because of the condition that
structure is in.

03:37:07.359 --> 03:37:10.203
So you want to make sure that,
you know, everyone is lifted up

03:37:10.766 --> 03:37:12.297
as the entire neighborhood is
lifted up.

03:37:12.797 --> 03:37:14.797
We don't have all the answers

03:37:15.438 --> 03:37:17.438
right now, but we recognize that

03:37:17.609 --> 03:37:20.344
as we move along, block by
block, that we need to take into

03:37:20.344 --> 03:37:22.781
consideration the individual
needs of the homeowners.

03:37:23.312 --> 03:37:25.516
>> I appreciate that.
I don't know fort manager wants

03:37:26.984 --> 03:37:28.984
to comment on proposed safety

03:37:30.422 --> 03:37:32.422
and security enhance ams for the

03:37:32.484 --> 03:37:33.828
area -- enhancements for the
area.

03:37:35.594 --> 03:37:38.266
The fact is it is a challenged
neighborhood and we think this

03:37:39.562 --> 03:37:41.766
project May be the best
[Inaudible] Of addressing some

03:37:42.234 --> 03:37:44.234
of the concerns.

03:37:45.875 --> 03:37:48.531
can you provide specifics there.
>> I'm not sure what specific it

03:37:49.438 --> 03:37:51.438
is there are to provide, other

03:37:52.172 --> 03:37:54.406
than from a public safety law
enforcement standpoint,

03:37:54.438 --> 03:37:56.438
certainly, the neighborhood has

03:37:56.781 --> 03:37:59.422
continued to be on the police
department's radar screen.

03:38:01.984 --> 03:38:03.984
But the reality is that until we

03:38:04.453 --> 03:38:06.453
generate, again, a substantial

03:38:08.422 --> 03:38:11.125
number of folks living back in
the area that are committed to

03:38:14.594 --> 03:38:17.203
the area, whether they be 10
tants, developing community

03:38:17.234 --> 03:38:19.438
homeowners, it will continue to
be a challenge.

03:38:20.375 --> 03:38:22.375
We can't law enforcement our way

03:38:22.500 --> 03:38:24.000
out of that neighborhood, I can
assure you.

03:38:24.703 --> 03:38:26.375
>> I appreciate that.
Thank you.

03:38:29.344 --> 03:38:31.344
>> I guess just lastly, for me,

03:38:32.160 --> 03:38:34.160
can larry, I guess walk us

03:38:34.391 --> 03:38:36.391
through the steps right now if

03:38:36.516 --> 03:38:39.188
this is -- sorry, this motion is
approved tonight, can you talk

03:38:40.219 --> 03:38:42.219
about what this means, what will

03:38:43.620 --> 03:38:45.469
happen between now and August
and then I'll follow-up with one

03:38:45.469 --> 03:38:48.940
last question.
I guess if you can provide

03:38:48.531 --> 03:38:50.672
clarity approximate the
development agreement and what

03:38:51.562 --> 03:38:53.562
are the necessary steps for the

03:38:53.734 --> 03:38:56.109
project to continue to move
forward?
>> ok.
>> thank you.

03:38:56.109 --> 03:38:58.109
>> ok.

03:38:58.203 --> 03:39:00.969
The next step obviously is the
submittal of the application to

03:39:02.172 --> 03:39:04.875
the housing finance agency on
May 14th nap is the action that

03:39:05.984 --> 03:39:08.109
we're requesting tonight is you
authorize the manager to provide

03:39:09.780 --> 03:39:10.922
the necessary items to go along
with that.

03:39:12.625 --> 03:39:15.328
And then the agency will
announce awards on which

03:39:15.922 --> 03:39:17.984
application is going to receive
tax credits in August.

03:39:18.797 --> 03:39:20.797
In the meantime, we'll be

03:39:20.922 --> 03:39:23.734
continuing to work with the
steering committee on refining

03:39:24.734 --> 03:39:26.734
the redevelopment plan itself.

03:39:27.766 --> 03:39:29.906
and that is going to spell out
not only what we're talking

03:39:31.469 --> 03:39:33.469
about here for phases one and

03:39:34.203 --> 03:39:36.203
two, but for those of you who

03:39:37.547 --> 03:39:39.516
have seen the sherred
presentation, there is phase

03:39:40.780 --> 03:39:42.780
three in there to talks to the

03:39:42.156 --> 03:39:43.844
development of the remaining
self-help properties and

03:39:44.250 --> 03:39:46.250
development of the remaining

03:39:51.328 --> 03:39:53.328
rolling hills proper.

03:39:54.469 --> 03:39:56.469
That redevelopment plan will

03:39:56.625 --> 03:39:58.625
talk about some consensual long

03:40:06.234 --> 03:40:09.141
range uses for the school and
talk about what time frame.

03:40:09.203 --> 03:40:11.203
For this or this.

03:40:11.578 --> 03:40:13.984
The near term need is to get in
there, stabilize, secure that

03:40:13.984 --> 03:40:15.984
building.

03:40:16.516 --> 03:40:19.219
There are additional street
improvements, more obviously

03:40:19.547 --> 03:40:21.547
ones to reestablish the

03:40:22.156 --> 03:40:24.156
connection there in front of the

03:40:24.188 --> 03:40:25.688
school on the cul-de-sac in the
80s.

03:40:31.594 --> 03:40:33.594
and for access to the park and

03:40:33.828 --> 03:40:35.828
others to reestablish the

03:40:35.906 --> 03:40:37.906
connection.

03:40:38.000 --> 03:40:40.969
Improvements along lakewood in
terms of gateway treatments to

03:40:43.160 --> 03:40:45.160
make the self-help units easier

03:40:58.797 --> 03:41:01.328
to market some entry features.
And work on the master

03:41:01.328 --> 03:41:03.328
development agreement.

03:41:04.500 --> 03:41:06.500
That really speaks to the deal

03:41:10.406 --> 03:41:12.734
points between the city of
durham and developer.

03:41:13.312 --> 03:41:15.312
As between the questions and

03:41:15.812 --> 03:41:18.109
answers we distributed this
afternoon, the primary

03:41:20.780 --> 03:41:22.780
negotiating things are such as

03:41:26.656 --> 03:41:28.656
what fees would be allowed to be

03:41:30.594 --> 03:41:32.156
earned and what the loan terms
would be.

03:41:35.620 --> 03:41:37.620
Right now, suggests looking at

03:41:39.125 --> 03:41:41.625
0% cash flow terms for the 30.
Year term.

03:41:44.797 --> 03:41:47.734
Would flesh out those aspects in
more details, such that by the

03:41:48.703 --> 03:41:50.969
time we know in August whether
it will be awarded, you will

03:41:52.406 --> 03:41:54.906
have everything in front of you
be able to look at the content

03:41:56.219 --> 03:41:58.219
of the development agreements,

03:41:58.391 --> 03:42:00.391
exactly what is in it for us and

03:42:00.984 --> 03:42:03.484
what the role will be short term
and long-term and also the

03:42:12.766 --> 03:42:14.766
redevelopment plan.

03:42:15.500 --> 03:42:17.500
>> that is helpful, thank you.

03:42:18.406 --> 03:42:20.500
If we wait until August for
approval.
The project can't move forward

03:42:20.500 --> 03:42:22.500
without that.

03:42:29.453 --> 03:42:32.312
>> if we did not get tax credit
in August, we would apply again

03:42:32.344 --> 03:42:34.344
in the following year.

03:42:34.516 --> 03:42:36.594
The draft, the existing
predevelopment agreement speaks

03:42:38.620 --> 03:42:40.620
to a time frame where if they

03:42:40.562 --> 03:42:42.562
submit officially and don't

03:42:44.562 --> 03:42:47.203
get -- initially and don't get
credit, we would reapply.

03:42:48.172 --> 03:42:50.562
We look at things to better
prepare the neighborhood for

03:42:51.234 --> 03:42:52.641
when the big launch comes.
>> ok.

03:42:53.641 --> 03:42:55.938
so again for clarity, we need
the tax credits to move forward

03:42:57.109 --> 03:42:59.547
and we need a development
agreement to move forward.

03:42:59.609 --> 03:43:01.781
>> the development agreement to
move forward.

03:43:02.344 --> 03:43:05.250
>> the council does have another
shot at this.
>> yes.

03:43:07.188 --> 03:43:09.188
>> while I concur that a study

03:43:09.922 --> 03:43:11.922
and evaluation is not a funding

03:43:12.160 --> 03:43:13.328
plan, that is what we're asking
for.

03:43:14.310 --> 03:43:16.719
And I think that many of us on
council will want to see that

03:43:17.422 --> 03:43:19.625
funding plan before we would
commit to a development

03:43:19.625 --> 03:43:21.828
agreement.
So that is -- we're looking

03:43:22.125 --> 03:43:24.310
forward to what the manager
brings back.

03:43:25.406 --> 03:43:28.109
He already suggested several
possible areas of funding and

03:43:28.344 --> 03:43:30.780
again, I'll look forward to
that.
Thank you.

03:43:30.672 --> 03:43:32.000
I know this has been a lot of
work.

03:43:32.969 --> 03:43:34.969
i appreciate all the comments,

03:43:35.938 --> 03:43:37.906
the concerns and the questions.
These are important.

03:43:39.609 --> 03:43:41.609
I do think we will continue to

03:43:50.953 --> 03:43:52.953
work at this.

03:43:55.969 --> 03:43:58.938
the subrecipient services are
essential.
And hopefully it will come
together.

03:43:59.641 --> 03:44:01.641
There are lots of steps.

03:44:03.500 --> 03:44:05.500
>> thank you Councilman Catotti.

03:44:12.109 --> 03:44:14.109
Mayor pro tem.

03:44:14.547 --> 03:44:15.922
>> larry, hope you can answer
this.

03:44:17.125 --> 03:44:19.219
I ask it partly as a member of
the steering committee.

03:44:31.172 --> 03:44:33.500
Do you have any idea of the
money made available to this

03:44:34.531 --> 03:44:36.375
community to federal and state
funding programs?

03:44:37.844 --> 03:44:39.844
This is key to us as we continue

03:44:51.594 --> 03:44:53.594
to try to make this tun year

03:44:53.984 --> 03:44:56.984
plan to end homelessness work.
who makes the decision on the

03:44:58.391 --> 03:45:00.391
continuum of the money.

03:45:00.562 --> 03:45:03.531
Is there a formula for
determining who gets that money?

03:45:04.766 --> 03:45:06.766
Who makes that decision?

03:45:12.312 --> 03:45:14.875
And then there is money that is
available through the state.

03:45:15.578 --> 03:45:18.516
How much of that comes to
durham?
Then I'm told that there is

03:45:19.750 --> 03:45:21.641
money that goes to some
providers from mental health.

03:45:22.375 --> 03:45:23.781
I would like to know how much
that is.

03:45:25.391 --> 03:45:27.391
I also understand that there is

03:45:32.688 --> 03:45:35.310
money that goes to providers of
other sources.

03:45:36.328 --> 03:45:38.328
we need ton the total amount

03:45:38.500 --> 03:45:41.438
of -- to know the total amount
of money that everybody is
getting.

03:45:42.641 --> 03:45:44.641
I need to know how much money is

03:45:49.641 --> 03:45:52.281
spent on personnel costs.
How much the director is making.

03:45:53.453 --> 03:45:55.453
We want the full picture.

03:46:02.391 --> 03:46:04.391
until we get those figures I'm

03:46:05.594 --> 03:46:08.219
not going to be satisfied with
the way we're allocating.

03:46:10.000 --> 03:46:12.703
We need the full picture and how
much money is paid in rent.

03:46:13.938 --> 03:46:15.266
We need to know every single
thing.

03:46:16.297 --> 03:46:18.297
So we can see how much money is

03:46:19.310 --> 03:46:21.310
in this community and who is

03:46:25.172 --> 03:46:27.470
getting it.
Who is benefitting?

03:46:39.391 --> 03:46:41.391
thank you.

03:46:41.719 --> 03:46:44.391
>> we will work on it.
>> it is a tremendous traffic.

03:46:44.969 --> 03:46:47.328
It is important to make right
decisions from the city in the

03:46:48.531 --> 03:46:50.531
future in terms of how we

03:46:57.609 --> 03:46:59.938
distribute our funds as well.
thank you.

03:47:00.547 --> 03:47:02.547
>> recognize Councilman Woodard.

03:47:03.281 --> 03:47:05.109
>> all the questions I had have
been asked.

03:47:20.000 --> 03:47:22.828
>> recognize Councilman Brown.
>> thank you Mr. Mayor and all

03:47:24.328 --> 03:47:26.310
of you for coming and giving
insightful comments.

03:47:27.578 --> 03:47:29.578
We need to go into this with

03:47:30.875 --> 03:47:32.875
eyes wide open and not eyes wide

03:47:44.781 --> 03:47:46.781
shut.

03:47:47.531 --> 03:47:50.940
Because if you look at the
history of rolling hills it is

03:47:52.422 --> 03:47:54.625
not the most prominent factor of
durham housing.

03:47:55.172 --> 03:47:57.172
Indeed, in my judgment, what we

03:47:57.594 --> 03:47:59.594
have done to rolling hills is

03:48:07.344 --> 03:48:09.906
really a blueprint in how a
municipality should not develop

03:48:10.516 --> 03:48:12.470
a residential community.
Repeat not.

03:48:14.859 --> 03:48:16.859
Be it low-income,

03:48:17.422 --> 03:48:19.422
moderate-income or market-rate.

03:48:29.672 --> 03:48:32.594
and we made in the past -- or
past city council made serious

03:48:32.672 --> 03:48:34.672
errors not the least of which is

03:48:36.875 --> 03:48:38.875
the council in the early '90s,

03:48:48.656 --> 03:48:50.656
appointed -- chose a developer

03:48:50.922 --> 03:48:52.750
more for political reasons than
business reasons.

03:48:53.625 --> 03:48:55.625
We're paying the price for that.

03:48:56.310 --> 03:48:57.531
Council decisions have
consequences.

03:48:58.766 --> 03:49:01.297
And this area, it was over
$7 million that we had been

03:49:02.266 --> 03:49:04.266
forced to pay.

03:49:11.672 --> 03:49:13.780
To buy back all of this
property.

03:49:13.969 --> 03:49:15.969
I said a lot of times, this city

03:49:16.250 --> 03:49:18.812
like a lot of cities,
particularly in this which he

03:49:21.780 --> 03:49:22.484
that we have more needs than
revenue.

03:49:32.828 --> 03:49:34.828
more needs then revenue.

03:49:35.203 --> 03:49:37.203
Larry, if I May say so, I was

03:49:37.469 --> 03:49:39.469
surprised and shocked to see

03:49:40.328 --> 03:49:42.328
this plan come before us based

03:49:54.578 --> 03:49:56.578
upon the use of future entitle

03:49:57.470 --> 03:49:59.470
ams, which objectively most

03:50:00.625 --> 03:50:02.656
consider to be somewhat risky
particularly in these days and

03:50:02.656 --> 03:50:04.656
times.

03:50:05.359 --> 03:50:07.359
that we would use that financing

03:50:13.125 --> 03:50:15.125
for this project instead of

03:50:16.234 --> 03:50:18.234
fully financing very good groups

03:50:19.234 --> 03:50:21.234
with good records such as urban

03:50:21.469 --> 03:50:23.469
ministries, habitat for

03:50:23.516 --> 03:50:25.516
humanity, housing for new hope,

03:50:25.578 --> 03:50:27.781
the list can go on and on
because you have a track record.

03:50:29.516 --> 03:50:31.516
This is not to say, to be fair,

03:50:31.750 --> 03:50:33.750
that every organization that

03:50:34.688 --> 03:50:36.688
receives some of the home funds

03:50:37.797 --> 03:50:39.797
or cdbg funds is doing the job

03:50:46.328 --> 03:50:48.328
that they should be doing.

03:50:48.969 --> 03:50:50.938
There is a need for
consolidation and merger.

03:50:51.875 --> 03:50:53.875
No question about that.

03:50:55.203 --> 03:50:57.812
This is almost like the old
adage, we have rolling hills and

03:50:59.484 --> 03:51:01.484
we have all the service

03:51:02.641 --> 03:51:04.641
nonprofit groups that we're

03:51:08.922 --> 03:51:11.562
robbing peter to pay paul.
There is one caveat.

03:51:22.469 --> 03:51:24.469
Paul is the developer.

03:51:25.141 --> 03:51:27.375
Paul will receive up on
$1.6 million for this practical.

03:51:32.781 --> 03:51:34.438
I do not say that in a
pejorative way.

03:51:36.141 --> 03:51:38.141
But that is the reality, the way

03:51:38.281 --> 03:51:40.780
this plan has been presented to
us.

03:51:47.797 --> 03:51:50.391
so I have still in addition to
the major category of questions

03:51:51.125 --> 03:51:53.125
you had this evening, I feel

03:51:54.766 --> 03:51:57.594
that the way this is structured
now, this plan is a better deal

03:52:01.172 --> 03:52:02.531
for the developer than it is for
durham.

03:52:04.141 --> 03:52:06.141
And we need to know what the

03:52:10.578 --> 03:52:12.578
hell we're doing.

03:52:15.719 --> 03:52:18.156
The developer as, you know, is
getting more than half of the

03:52:18.688 --> 03:52:21.620
total site, which is a little
over 19 acres.

03:52:27.234 --> 03:52:30.203
The city is selling to him for
$1.

03:52:34.734 --> 03:52:37.547
Secondly, Mccormick baron as has
been noted is not putting any of

03:52:38.938 --> 03:52:40.938
their money into this project.

03:52:45.250 --> 03:52:48.470
Now, admittedly there are some
developments throughout the

03:52:51.391 --> 03:52:53.391
country where that is done, but

03:52:58.969 --> 03:53:01.969
they are usually in the more
depressed cities and the more

03:53:02.906 --> 03:53:04.906
high-risk neighborhoods.

03:53:06.609 --> 03:53:09.609
So I would suggest that what has
been presented to us is more

03:53:11.406 --> 03:53:13.406
like a plan that would be

03:53:16.844 --> 03:53:18.844
presented in detroit or newark,

03:53:20.750 --> 03:53:22.750
but not in this city.

03:53:23.812 --> 03:53:25.812
There are lots of issues here,

03:53:27.188 --> 03:53:29.188
not the least of which also is

03:53:29.797 --> 03:53:32.797
the rightful approach versus
the -- the rifle approach versus

03:53:34.297 --> 03:53:36.297
the shotgun approach.

03:53:36.625 --> 03:53:38.797
And the mayor's correct in
bringing up that issue.

03:53:40.328 --> 03:53:43.172
That is to say, how do we get
more bang for our buck with the

03:53:43.531 --> 03:53:45.531
housing monies?

03:53:48.703 --> 03:53:50.703
Do we scatter it or use a rifle?

03:53:52.344 --> 03:53:54.344
one point I would make on that

03:54:08.328 --> 03:54:10.328
is if you have a 30 otsix rifle

03:54:10.734 --> 03:54:13.203
or 20 gage shotgun, we cannot
forget that this city like

03:54:14.734 --> 03:54:16.734
manies in this country is -- 

03:54:17.875 --> 03:54:20.469
many cities in this country is
running out of ammunition.

03:54:22.160 --> 03:54:23.844
We cannot serve and we cannot
please everyone.

03:54:26.688 --> 03:54:28.688
So as a result of that it all

03:54:28.953 --> 03:54:30.953
becomes an issue of priorities.

03:54:32.470 --> 03:54:34.453
now, I am very pleased that one
of the fine organizations that

03:54:35.984 --> 03:54:37.984
we have in durham self-help

03:54:41.500 --> 03:54:43.797
credit union has purchased a
combination of 90 lots and

03:54:46.328 --> 03:54:48.328
houses in the south side area.

03:54:51.203 --> 03:54:53.203
And I think a strong policy can

03:54:54.547 --> 03:54:56.969
be made is that there is where
we need to really focus.

03:54:57.609 --> 03:54:59.609
That is where we need to start.

03:55:01.812 --> 03:55:03.812
We can do all of the fans
cy

03:55:04.688 --> 03:55:06.688
drawings that you see in rolling

03:55:07.470 --> 03:55:09.470
hills, but until we deal with

03:55:10.359 --> 03:55:12.359
the public safety problems in

03:55:13.625 --> 03:55:15.625
that area, we're not going to

03:55:17.328 --> 03:55:19.328
lure either tenants or buyers.

03:55:21.969 --> 03:55:24.609
Now, the manager's also right,
that the police action alone

03:55:25.406 --> 03:55:27.406
will not take care of all the

03:55:27.906 --> 03:55:29.906
problems in south side.

03:55:30.172 --> 03:55:32.172
But we have a community center

03:55:32.672 --> 03:55:34.672
there that the mayor pro tem

03:55:34.688 --> 03:55:36.641
knows about I think the brick
ranch house.

03:55:38.984 --> 03:55:40.984
Very strategically located near

03:55:41.688 --> 03:55:43.688
an intersection that is noted

03:55:43.750 --> 03:55:45.940
and indeed notorious for its
crime.

03:55:45.766 --> 03:55:48.469
At one time, there was a talk
that we would put a police

03:55:49.188 --> 03:55:50.859
substation there, which I think
would help.

03:55:55.620 --> 03:55:57.620
but that has not materialized.

03:55:57.141 --> 03:55:59.141
Nor is there enough money to

03:56:00.578 --> 03:56:02.172
even have a part-time community
advisor there.

03:56:02.969 --> 03:56:04.969
So for the most part, the

03:56:05.875 --> 03:56:08.484
building sits vacant.
We cannot even pay to give

03:56:09.547 --> 03:56:11.547
you -- we will hear more about

03:56:12.953 --> 03:56:14.953
the budget this thursday.

03:56:17.625 --> 03:56:19.625
but to say things tight is an
understatement, we're not the

03:56:19.953 --> 03:56:21.953
only city going through this.

03:56:23.620 --> 03:56:25.620
But in terms of financing, we

03:56:27.125 --> 03:56:29.125
cannot even afford to pay for a

03:56:29.406 --> 03:56:31.406
new police academy.

03:56:31.703 --> 03:56:33.703
That is usually 15 officers,

03:56:34.469 --> 03:56:36.203
because we cannot afford to hire
them.

03:56:37.672 --> 03:56:39.672
Again, everything becomes an

03:56:43.688 --> 03:56:45.688
issue of priorities.

03:56:48.781 --> 03:56:50.781
So in closing, I'm very

03:56:52.859 --> 03:56:54.219
apprehensive about this proposed
plan.

03:56:56.453 --> 03:56:59.266
i'm dubious that it will work.
We really haven't spent the time

03:57:02.359 --> 03:57:04.359
that we should talking about

03:57:04.797 --> 03:57:06.797
what will happen to this

03:57:08.672 --> 03:57:10.672
development if and when the

03:57:12.641 --> 03:57:14.641
money dries up, the so-called

03:57:16.609 --> 03:57:18.984
entitlements, then what do we
do?

03:57:22.922 --> 03:57:24.922
So... Folks, in conclusion I

03:57:26.160 --> 03:57:27.453
think we need a better deal for
durham.

03:57:29.297 --> 03:57:31.297
I think we can do better and

03:57:33.266 --> 03:57:35.266
that is why I will be opposing

03:57:38.375 --> 03:57:40.500
this plan tone.
 -- tonight.

03:57:41.344 --> 03:57:43.344
Thank you Mr. Mayor.

03:57:53.470 --> 03:57:55.470
>> recognize Councilman Clement.

03:57:58.453 --> 03:58:00.453
>> I support what is being

03:58:02.453 --> 03:58:04.453
proposed the rolling hills and

03:58:04.953 --> 03:58:06.953
south side.

03:58:07.940 --> 03:58:09.940
This is a project that has been

03:58:11.594 --> 03:58:13.594
on the front burner for years.

03:58:16.780 --> 03:58:18.780
We have invested too much, in my

03:58:20.516 --> 03:58:22.516
opinion, in this area of durham

03:58:28.470 --> 03:58:30.470
to just let it, well, be

03:58:39.656 --> 03:58:41.656
abandoned or pushed aside.

03:58:41.734 --> 03:58:43.734
I've been impressed by the folks

03:58:44.500 --> 03:58:46.500
who questioned our audacity in

03:58:54.203 --> 03:58:56.203
diverting monies from nonprofit

03:58:58.641 --> 03:59:00.641
groups to pay the cost of moving

03:59:01.109 --> 03:59:02.453
ahead with south side rolling
hills.

03:59:05.219 --> 03:59:07.219
Because when I went through that

03:59:11.328 --> 03:59:13.328
area this morning, some of my

03:59:15.969 --> 03:59:17.969
colleagues and saw the great

03:59:26.000 --> 03:59:28.000
need that existed, the boarded

03:59:28.578 --> 03:59:31.438
up housing, the people just
sitting around, having nothing

03:59:31.578 --> 03:59:33.578
to do.

03:59:36.547 --> 03:59:38.547
I am reminded of that, you know,

03:59:38.953 --> 03:59:41.219
if you treat these folks, you
treat me.

03:59:42.922 --> 03:59:44.922
And I'm talking about the

03:59:45.310 --> 03:59:47.828
spiritual reflection.
As you do it to the least of

03:59:48.922 --> 03:59:50.922
these, you do it to him.

03:59:55.609 --> 03:59:58.109
Who is greater than all of us.
I think that is the direction

04:00:00.172 --> 04:00:02.172
this council needs to go with

04:00:02.234 --> 04:00:04.234
respect to rolling hills and

04:00:04.281 --> 04:00:06.281
south side.

04:00:07.984 --> 04:00:09.984
We need to consider the needs of

04:00:11.516 --> 04:00:13.516
those who really can't help

04:00:13.688 --> 04:00:15.688
themselves.

04:00:17.297 --> 04:00:19.297
I respect the other agencies who

04:00:24.203 --> 04:00:26.203
come here tonight to make very

04:00:27.310 --> 04:00:29.766
impressive, relevant pleas for
help, for continued help.

04:00:32.703 --> 04:00:34.703
But I'm convinced, based on my

04:00:37.172 --> 04:00:39.172
own appreciation that many of

04:00:40.250 --> 04:00:42.250
those agencies who came before

04:00:43.547 --> 04:00:45.547
us will find the sources of

04:00:46.984 --> 04:00:48.984
funding to maintain and

04:00:50.359 --> 04:00:52.391
ascertain and expand their
programs.

04:00:54.953 --> 04:00:56.953
I don't see that happening in

04:00:57.234 --> 04:01:00.234
the south side rolling hills
areas
areas.

04:01:01.266 --> 04:01:03.266
Looking at the people, they

04:01:04.297 --> 04:01:06.297
don't have the kind of resources

04:01:06.469 --> 04:01:09.109
that we as a city will have to
provide through the funding of

04:01:11.781 --> 04:01:13.781
rolling hills and south side.

04:01:15.547 --> 04:01:17.547
>> so I support what is being

04:01:22.219 --> 04:01:24.219
proposed in terms of these two

04:01:24.781 --> 04:01:26.750
important dinners, rolling hills
and south side.

04:01:27.359 --> 04:01:29.891
Now, let me ask this question,
Mr. Mayor, what is going to

04:01:29.891 --> 04:01:31.891
happen next?

04:01:33.156 --> 04:01:35.156
I mean, after this discussion

04:01:36.297 --> 04:01:37.672
tonight, what is going to happen
next?

04:01:41.141 --> 04:01:43.703
>> Mr. Clement, what I would ask
and I have a few comments to

04:01:45.938 --> 04:01:47.938
make is that I would entertain a

04:01:49.109 --> 04:01:51.109
motion per the agenda which

04:01:53.391 --> 04:01:55.391
would allow the manager to enter

04:01:56.812 --> 04:01:59.562
into an agreement.
The financing plan.

04:02:02.156 --> 04:02:04.266
I want to get the right wording.
It is item 25.

04:02:06.234 --> 04:02:08.234
to authorize the city manager to

04:02:09.203 --> 04:02:11.938
issue to mba development
corporation a conditional

04:02:18.109 --> 04:02:20.109
commitment of financing in the

04:02:22.781 --> 04:02:24.781
 -- for rental development and

04:02:26.188 --> 04:02:28.547
live-work units and
infrastructure improvements in

04:02:32.688 --> 04:02:34.125
an commitment not to exceed
$3,887,410.

04:02:36.940 --> 04:02:37.531
That is the motion I would
entertain.

04:02:39.188 --> 04:02:41.500
But before we do that, if
someone is so inclined to do

04:02:43.594 --> 04:02:45.828
that, I want to make a few
comments.

04:02:47.500 --> 04:02:49.500
I certainly appreciate those

04:02:49.844 --> 04:02:51.844
that have come here tonight by

04:02:51.969 --> 04:02:53.969
and large to advocate on the

04:02:54.672 --> 04:02:56.672
part of your program, if I were

04:02:56.875 --> 04:02:58.875
in one of your programs, I would

04:02:59.780 --> 04:03:01.688
do the same thing.
I understand that well, that is

04:03:02.219 --> 04:03:05.470
part of the system.
I think it is also important to

04:03:05.625 --> 04:03:07.625
recognize at least on this

04:03:07.656 --> 04:03:09.953
council, this council has
supported each and every one of

04:03:11.156 --> 04:03:13.594
those programs, at least since I
have been here.

04:03:14.391 --> 04:03:17.156
And no intent on the part of the
council to try to completely

04:03:18.594 --> 04:03:20.594
abandon the programs.

04:03:20.969 --> 04:03:23.641
That is in essence the motion
that Councilwoman Catotti made

04:03:24.266 --> 04:03:26.406
and this council approved
unanimously to have the

04:03:26.406 --> 04:03:28.406
administration go back and look

04:03:28.641 --> 04:03:30.641
at what are alternative
financing plans.

04:03:33.344 --> 04:03:36.344
I mean, when we're at the
worksession and the staff

04:03:37.750 --> 04:03:39.750
presented the amount of dollars

04:03:43.750 --> 04:03:45.750
funded 2008, 2009, if 2010 for

04:03:45.766 --> 04:03:47.766
agencies out of these funds, i

04:03:49.594 --> 04:03:51.620
think the highest year was
$1.3 million.

04:03:52.172 --> 04:03:54.172
I noticed that time that is

04:03:54.906 --> 04:03:56.906
about a half a cent on the

04:03:57.578 --> 04:03:59.234
property tax to find to replace
those dollars.

04:04:01.578 --> 04:04:04.547
A half a sent to replace those
dollars.
I'm not saying that is where it

04:04:04.844 --> 04:04:06.844
is coming from.

04:04:07.780 --> 04:04:08.922
i'm just telling you, that is a
potential source.

04:04:10.312 --> 04:04:12.312
But the manager has been

04:04:13.188 --> 04:04:15.188
directed to come back within 90

04:04:15.859 --> 04:04:17.859
days to recommend some

04:04:20.188 --> 04:04:22.266
alternative financing he's going
to do that.

04:04:22.500 --> 04:04:25.234
We'll deal with that.
We're talking about a change, no

04:04:26.297 --> 04:04:28.297
question in my mind, we're

04:04:28.562 --> 04:04:30.562
talking about a change of how we

04:04:31.469 --> 04:04:33.766
do housing in this development.
Anytime you speak about change,

04:04:34.547 --> 04:04:37.344
you take people out of their
comfort zone.
That is where you are.

04:04:38.641 --> 04:04:41.641
Because what you have heard is
they're taking all the money we

04:04:42.516 --> 04:04:45.160
normally got and putting it in
this project and haven't told us

04:04:45.891 --> 04:04:48.422
what are the alternatives.
Right now, we don't know what

04:04:50.156 --> 04:04:52.719
the alternatives are, but I can
tell you that this council is

04:04:54.000 --> 04:04:56.125
not going to abandon all those
programs that have been proven

04:04:56.969 --> 04:04:59.266
to make a difference in this
community.
That will not happen.

04:05:00.703 --> 04:05:03.672
I mean I started when I was
Chairman Of county

04:05:05.234 --> 04:05:07.875
commissioners, jack barnes was
the county commissioner.

04:05:08.969 --> 04:05:11.672
you know what the hurdle was
then, don't put a shelter

04:05:12.160 --> 04:05:13.438
downtown across from the bus
station.

04:05:15.109 --> 04:05:17.109
That was the issue.

04:05:17.156 --> 04:05:18.578
Don't bring those people
downtown.

04:05:20.391 --> 04:05:21.781
You know, now we take it for
granted.

04:05:22.516 --> 04:05:25.160
We're not going to abandon that.
It might not be to your

04:05:25.160 --> 04:05:27.328
satisfaction.
I think there is something to be

04:05:28.125 --> 04:05:30.688
said about goals need to be set
for the programs that we have

04:05:31.359 --> 04:05:32.734
been funding and continue to
fund.

04:05:34.000 --> 04:05:36.828
We admit that that has to be
done.
Nobody will abandon completely

04:05:37.328 --> 04:05:39.328
what has been done.

04:05:39.375 --> 04:05:41.375
This project, even if approved,

04:05:44.516 --> 04:05:46.516
the dollars are there for this

04:05:46.844 --> 04:05:48.406
those don't start changing until
next year.

04:05:49.719 --> 04:05:52.453
People should be comfortable, at
least for where we are now in

04:05:53.219 --> 04:05:55.984
terms of what the program is.
When I say should be, that is

04:05:56.125 --> 04:05:58.828
all relevant.
It is all relevant.

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But again, this project is a

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project that I think is doable I

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think it has has all the
upsides.

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Obviously, there are risks.

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but just about everything we do,
there is risk.

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You have to have a vision.
Sometimes the vision that we

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have doesn't completely jibe
with other people's vision.

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That is why we have been elected

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to make those type of decisions
which aren't easy.

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They're tough decisions.

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We have to make them ultimately.

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i request to you continue to
follow this project.

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We have those forums.

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You know you can come and
talking and make yourself heard.

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We heard you this evening.
We tonight take it lightly.

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At some point in time, you have
to make a decision to move one

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direction or another.

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And for me, I think for housing
in this community, we need to

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look at a different way of doing

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it in a meaningful way to have a
meaningful impact not only

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persons served by the community

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but also provide this other
leverage that I think can

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continue to make the community
grow.

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We made investments in downtown
durham when people said you are

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crazy for doing that, why are

04:07:16.359 --> 04:07:18.359
you taking my money to put in a

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parking deck, why resurface
streets, and dpac which

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everybody now glorifies.
That didn't happen overnight.

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It happened out of a lot of
discussion, listening, and

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finally making a decision to
move in a particular direction.

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that is what we have with this
project.

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So it is not doom and gloom for
me.

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I think it is a bright road for
this community.

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I think it is a bright
opportunity for persons who will

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be privileged to live in this
area.

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It is not all market rate
people.

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We told you who the projects,
who the development is targeted

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for.

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and that is what we're trying to
get done.

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I recognize the mayor pro tem.

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>> Mr. Mayor, I would like to

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make a motion if it is in order
now.

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>> of course, it is in order.

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>> I would like to move that we

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authorize the city manager to

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issue to mba development

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corporation a subordinate

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financing for rental development

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consistent with 119 mixed income

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units -- do I need to read the

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whole thing.
[Inaudible] And additional

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commitment fund associated site
preparation and infrastructure

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improvements in an amount not to

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exceed $3,887,410.
I so move.
>> second.

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>> properly moved and seconded.
Further discussion on the
motion?

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Hearing none, I will call the

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question.

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Madam Clerk, open the vote.

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Close the vote.

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>> passes 6-1, with Councilman

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Brown voting no.
>> thank you.

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Any other business to come
before the council?
>> Mr. Mayor.

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>> are you going to recommend a

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proposal for tomorrow.

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>> I do have one business
matter.
>> sure.

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>> I have a work commitment
tomorrow morning that will

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preclude me from attending the
legislative breakfast as I
planned to do.

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I would like to request an
excused absence.

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>> I move that we excuse him.

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>> properly moved and seconded,
madam clerk, open the vote.

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Close the vote.
>> passes 7-0.

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>> I will remind everyone to
vote tomorrow at the primary.

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>> Mr. Mayor.

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>> mayor pro tem and Councilman
Brown.

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>> you might recall, a few weeks

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ago a young man was shot in the
face on dupree street.

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I just happen to know his

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family, so I went to his
homegoing celebration.

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One of the things that I think
the council needs to be aware of

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is the ministry of the greater

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joint international ministries

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and how they're working with
ex-offenders and other folk who

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had problems adjusting in the
community.

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And even on that day, we

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recognized that Mr. Fowler, the

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deceased had begun to turn his
life around.

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And during the funeral, 13 of

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his buddies came up for remarks.

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There was one spokesperson and

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that spokesperson shared that
because they had seen the

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changes in him over the last

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month or so, or more, they had
decided to turn their lives

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around.

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And it was just a beautiful

04:10:57.312 --> 04:10:59.312
experience to see that the

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impact that even this tragedy

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had on the lives of these young
men.

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It was just a blessing, if you

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will, even in his death.

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I just commend pastor Mccarter

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for the work that he continues

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to do to help save our young
people.

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I hope that you all will get a
chance to meet him at some
point.

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I needed to do that shout out
for what they're doing.

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>> recognize Councilman Brown.
>> yes, thank you Mr. Mayor, I

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will be attending the habitat

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for humanity breakfast tomorrow.

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So I May be a little late

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arriving at the legislative
meeting.
>> ok.

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>> anything else?

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If not, the meeting is adjourned

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at 11:12 P.M.
Thank you.